Metaphysics Versus Bible’s Christianity

[melody]

Hello Sativaguitar,

When I brought the subject of not everybody being treated equally, I did not have myself in mind. As you know, I have been posting in this forum regardless of that.

It is good that you have a healthily self-concept and do not care if you are addressed differently than those a few are. However, as you might have noticed, there are not many active participants in this forum, and some visitors might pick up on this different treatment right away and just not care of getting involved... Some others might simply stop posting because of this. I am sure many pupils would not care to be in a classroom (and we are here basically to learn) where a few are constantly addressed by a teacher as Dear, and in Love and Light and the rest only given Kind Regards.

As I said, I was not speaking for myself, but for the others, the silent ones.

Each of us has to do a lot of Soul Searching, and an opening is only a small step and does not represent the whole journey. And that goes for me, and Darrell, and everybody else...

As for agendas, we all have our own purpuse in life, and the results of it are working in some mysterious ways, at times...  

Was posting my topic an agenda? Its intention was genuine. Did it help people question things and even come to some personal "genuine points"? After all they posted them in the topic I started...

Not all is black and white, even when you read something you are not accustomed to...

[melody]

The only definition - Uncoditional Love for All

What does this mean to you?

Hello Julia,

Unconditional Love is just that -  Uncoditional Love. It does not require any further definitions.

If you search in your heart you will know what it is, and you will know what it is to treat everybody in this forum equally...

[melody]

But you are correct in as much that we are all equal, and I will conclude my messages as such in future to reflect that truth.

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Hello Adrian,

Thank you very much for reiterating that we are all equal, and that this would be reflected in this forum in regard to all its members.

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

Thank you very much for reiterating that we are all equal, and that this would be reflected in this forum in regard to all its members.

I am not aware of ever stating that we are not all equal - to the contrary - I frequently include that truth in my posts, newsletters and other messages.

The beginning and ending of my posts does not seek to undermine this truth in any way whatsoever.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

[juliainkc]

Hello Melody,

Resonding equally in kind.

If you search in your heart you will know what it is, and you will know what it is to treat everybody in this forum equally...

Not everyone gets an 'equal amount of response in this forum because so much attention is being directed by others 'points of view'. It's just the way it is. Do we take offense and pout? I think not. Everyone gets a turn in the proper moment. It is in giving the right of way. So I give you the right of way to think as you wish and will allow myself the same respect.

Forgive me, I just see this as another distraction. Haven't seen you in here for awhile after the comments of being made sick by others views. That in my honest opinion Melody is not a statement made in Unconditional Love. As you state above, it is in searching your heart you will know what and why this is.

Yes, Melody. This is what I have been saying. Do not look for the differences and you will not find them...Look for Unconditional Love first by giving it to yourself and forgiving yourself for missing it at times like we all do and then we have it to give to others and see it in others, not by finding what you may see as an error and projecting it onto another.

We are uniquely embodied by the same Spirit. Each is allowed their own personality in this reality, yet it is in looking beyond this reality to the One whom we are all from that allows us to look past the physical aspects and see by knowing and being One that we are all in this together.

Focused on what bring us into Unity and not what one sees as a separation. That's why we all can experience having 'different' names and personalities. No distinctions in respect, equality and mutuality within Unconditional Love.

You are Melody, I am Julia and so on.....that's defining a 'difference'. Do we share the same Universe? We have all the same attributes within. It is just at different times we have the same experiences. Unconditional Love understands this and comes from a Higher Source as we can see when we are getting caught up in what one feels they are experiencing in their momentary reality and in bringing these things up. We have all shared and will continue to do so in this learning to love Unconditionally. When we no longer see or feel the desire to point out what one considers a lack in another.

To our Growth Melody, Many Blessings, Be Well and InJoy this day,

Julia

[Talker]

Warm Welcome To All,

More can be said here, but would only dilute what this beautiful story presents.     
Unfortunately unable to locate the original source of this story, to give proper
credit

 The True Sound of Truth
      An old story speaks about a similar problem. A devoted meditator, after
      years concentrating on a particular mantra, had attained enough insight to
      begin teaching. The student's humility was far from perfect, but the
      teachers at the monastery were not worried. 
      A few years of successful teaching left the meditator with no thoughts
      about learning from anyone; but upon hearing about a famous hermit
      living nearby, the opportunity was too exciting to be passed up. 
      The hermit lived alone on an island at the middle of a lake, so the
      meditator hired a man with a boat to row across to the island. The
      meditator was very respectful of the old hermit. As they shared some tea
      made with herbs the meditator asked him about his spiritual practice. The
      old man said he had no spiritual practice, except for a mantra which he
      repeated all the time to himself. The meditator was pleased: the hermit
      was using the same mantra he used himself -- but when the hermit
      spoke the mantra aloud, the meditator was horrified! 
      "What's wrong?" asked the hermit. 
      "I don't know what to say. I'm afraid you've wasted your whole life! You
      are pronouncing the mantra incorrectly!" 
      "Oh, Dear! That is terrible. How should I say it?" 
      The meditator gave the correct pronunciation, and the old hermit was very
      grateful, asking to be left alone so he could get started right away. On
      the way back across the lake the meditator, now confirmed as an
      accomplished teacher, was pondering the sad fate of the hermit. 
      "It's so fortunate that I came along. At least he will have a little time
      to practice correctly before he dies." Just then, the meditator noticed
      that the boatman was looking quite shocked, and turned to see the hermit
      standing respectfully on the water, next to the boat. 
      "Excuse me, please. I hate to bother you, but I've forgotten the correct
      pronunciation again. Would you please repeat it for me?" 
      "You obviously don't need it," stammered the meditator; but the old man
      persisted in his polite request until the meditator relented and told him
      again the way he thought the mantra should be pronounced. 
      The old hermit was saying the mantra very carefully, slowly, over and
      over, as he walked across the surface of the water back to the island.

[juliainkc]

Hello Talker,

As always Ancient One, words to the wise. I will tuck this one within.

Namaste, Be Well,

Julia

[zensunni7]

Dear One and All,

I have seen Zeitgeist and found it to be a very well done documentary of sorts, disturbing to many I would imagine. It is a lot of reality I discovered along my walk of education. Often we want to hold onto our more romantic and illusionary views of all this and when certain reality's crash in we find ourselves feeling a bit lost.
In my case it drove me ' home ' to myself and learn to trust my own intuitions within all the history.Sadly , people can easily be mass media'd into beliefs and mindsets. The marketing industry is birthed in this reality and depends on it 100%.
Pharmaceutical company's cleverly spend most of the commercial slot pitching the disease in the beginning, ending with the cure. Would Christianity be seeing its present revival without 9/11? The entire country was talked into the Iraq war by mass media marketing.

I stopped asking what is true in history and what is not, and chalked it up to not living in the past. If Jesus did not actually exist, those that set their lives by the examples of him were set into a new direction of living and treating others, so its all good. Yes, there are those that will always seek the darker side of things for their own agenda and greed.
The introduction of the Secret, Adrian's " Ultimate Reality " and other ideas of new thinking has set a course of people taking responsibility for themselves and their creation into life will take the power away from this mass hypnosis of a few leading the masses.
The issues presented in the movie are repetitions of patterns from ancient times, when the majority of the people were uneducated, illiterate and desperate for something to believe in, for hope.
Trust you, and your far a removed from the influences of those the movie bring to light.

WithIn Love
Darrell

[Adrian]

Dear Darrell,

Yes I absolutely agree with you.

To me the main value of The Secret and Zeitgeist is not so much the content, which is sometimes flawed, biased or misrepresented, as much as the overall awareness they bring to the humanity - this reason alone makes these movies valuable.

As you say - one of the biggest issues humanity has faced for at least the last hundred years is the influence of the mass popular media over the Minds of people - media which controlled by the forces that seek in turn to control humanity.

There is no way the invasions of Afghanistan, Iraq and other countries, as well as 9/11 and other incidents could have happened without brainwashing by the media into believing that the governments are acting in the best interests of their citizens.

9/11 was all about giving the government and its agencies such as FEMA far greater powers of control over people, while causing the same people to believe that the government is doing a great job of protecting the people from these "dangerous terrorists". On the back of 9/11 came the Homeland Securities Act" and a very wide range of measure that took away almost all rights to privacy.

This same instrument has been used by those who seek control by manipulation for centuries: problem - reaction - solution. This works by the government first creating a problem, e.g. 9/11 and blaming it on others - e.g. terrorists. The people are so shocked that they ask or expect the government to do something about it - e.g. increased security. The government then introduces the solution to the grateful public in the form that gives them what they wanted - the government have massively and covertly increased their power of people while causing the people to feel grateful for it.

Religion for hundreds of years has provided a packaged belief system that saves people the bother of thinking and seeking the truth for themselves. If I had not rejected religion at 8 years of age, I certainly would not be writing these words now.

Actually Jesus was an excellent role model - if only religion and its followers would follow his example.

"I do not like your Christians..they are so unlike your Christ." -- Mahatma Gandhi.

But yes you are absolutely correct when you say that people have been presented with the basis for a whole new way of thinking for themselves, of taking responsibility for themselves, and the realisation that we all have the infinite power to create any reality we desire without the interference and brainwashing of those who seek to control us while they still can.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.




 

[melody]

Haven't seen you in here for awhile after the comments of being made sick by others views. That in my honest opinion Melody is not a statement made in Unconditional Love. As you state above, it is in searching your heart you will know what and why this is.

Hello Julia,

Yes, indeed, I was made sick by the statements that 911 was needed for our ascention since I fundamentally disagree with such a statement. I have as much a right to express my emotion as you have a right to express your emotions about Adrian's or Darrell's statements. And since positive and negative does not exist and is only a polarity, an illusion, it does not really matter if one expresses something - an emotion - that would be perceived as positive or as negative by others. Did I treat those people differently who made the comments that made me feel sick? No I did not. I simply expressed my emotion - my opinion and that was it. Did I say that those people have no right to state what they did? No I did not. So please do not mix the Uncoditional Love into it. This is a public forum where people could express their opinions quite freely. If this is not the case, then Adrian should write on the top of this forum than only people who agree with everything he sais can become the members, and that the others are not allowed to sign up.

[juliainkc]

Hello Melody, 

I have as much a right to express my emotion as you have a right to express your emotions about Adrian's or Darrell's statements. And since positive and negative does not exist and is only a polarity, it does not really matter if one expresses something an emotion that would be perceived as positive or as negative by others. Did I treat those people differently who made the comments that made me feel sick? No I did not. I simply expressed my emotion - my opinion and that was it. Did I say that those people have no right to state what they did? No I did not.

Again, I totallly agree, you are very clear on what is 'your right' here and your position is respected and this is exactly the point I am desiring to make here in kind.

It is each one's 'Right' as in expressing in their own unique way by responding in kind to each individual's right to express. What you state is your right is all others here as well. Why should anyone feel they must change according to what you think is defined as right behaviour which is why I mentioned your being allowed to make the statements regarding 9/11 as you have done.

Hence, it is an I say potayto, you say potahto kind of expression. Does that mean I go around correcting everyone all the time or do I understand what they are meaning? How can you know another's intention by the way they are addressing another according to your own position? That's called co-depency. Being a mind reader.

It is as you so state, because if you had remained in zero point in your opinion you would not have taken any issue in the first place and would have shown this by saying nothing about the way one is expressing with another, their right, and focused instead on the message not the messengers.

Why say anything unless it is a point rising up within you of what? What is your point in saying what you began this conversation with at all? If what you are saying you truly believe here as in each one has the right to be unique in expression and not a rote or robot, then it wouldn't have been mentioned at all.

Nor have you responded to the equality statement of everyone being addressed the exact same way relating in all aspects as to allowing all posts to be equally divided in the amount of energy given to it.

You like to be addressed Melody. That's fine. I have no issues with you on this. Allow the same for all others. As I have shared with you, you contribute much to this forum. I just wish you would focus more on the Energy of Unity which is expressed here more and not so much on pointing to someone wearing a different yet rightful way to express as you are allowed to do so without challenging the intentions of ones character.

If you did not treat someone differently then there would not have been such a statement regarding making one sick. This statement was differentiated by you in regards to all the other posts you have shared here. Those are your thoughts and you own them. Can you say the same to yourself in anything you have ever thought or shared? This is how we learn to be shown Unconditional Love, first by forgiving ourselves for our perceived 'mistakes' and then extending it to others because it genuinely is who we are and are coming from, an I see nothing to bear grievance. Are you there yet sister? We are all in this together and It is as you so decide to see it. That is 'true' for all. Shall we focus on the Highest Good for All as in removing not putting barriers to Love's Presence?

So, to your original bringing this to all of our attention, I Ask you to consider this;

"Would I accuse myself of this?" See no offense and there will be none.

To our Growing Together, Many Blessings, Be Well and InJoy this day,

Julia

[melody]

Hello All,

It is really very curious how people got upset because I stated that Adrian did not address the members of this forum in an equal way, but not a person got upset about the horrible statistics data I published above. Yes, indeed, the problem stated in that statistics just does not exist for most of us...

I know some of you will say that one should not focus on such meters, because we would only hold it to be so. Really? Most of us, including myself, did not know about it, yet it existed. And it would not just disappear because we will once again not hold it in our minds.

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

I know some of you will say that one should not focus on such meters, because we would only hold it to be so. Really? Most of us, including myself, did not know about it, yet it existed. And it would not just disappear because we will once again not hold it in our minds.

Anything that exists to you only exists because you hold it in your Mind and thereby give it Energy and Life.

If it did not exist in your Mind it would not exist to you at all. In the Astral this is immediately obvious - the same Principles apply here on Earth.

But here is the point - never watch the news, never read the news, either on TV, paper or Internet - it is not relevant, pollutes the Mind and lowers vibration.

Focus on your true reality - not the maya illusion of the physical world which in fact is remarkably similar in many ways to the Matrix movies.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

[juliainkc]

Hello Melody and All,

It is really very curious how people got upset because I stated that Adrian did not address the members of this forum in an equal way, but not a person got upset about the horrible statistics data I published above. Yes, indeed, the problem stated in that statistics just does not exist for most of us.

H mm...just observing the terms you are using here. It appears and forgive me for misunderstanding, but I see you using these terms. When someone voices a response that may differ from that of another's, in this particular case it is yours, then who are we to assume that because it differs that one is 'upset'? That's reading something into it like saying one is not being treated equally by the way one responds to other's in their letters.

And the 'silent' ones? Who are these silent ones Melody? This isn't a statement of equality in a public forum. It is an I know something you don't know statement. Hmm... Isn't this an open forum allowing all to express here as you yourself state this to be the case? Who is being denied to speak up for themselves? Come forth and make yourselves known. All have been welcomed by Adrian and we all agree all are free to speak here. As he allows yourself and myself and all to do so.

People have differences of opinions all the 'time' and do so by agreeing to disagree. Not make a concentrated effort to define by separating in an 'us and them' mentality what someone else is 'feeling'.

It is statements like these that are taking things off subject as you so stated in your opening of this particular discussion that you were doing just this. You distracted from your own post as you admitted to changing the subject from your going into all the dark stuff going on which you chose to focus on.

The responding to this is now being addressed as curiously being upset? My, My Melody, it is a curiosity, let's get real here. Let's own up to it okay? You distracted your own post.

I am quite capable of speaking for myself and expressing emotions and my truth as you yourself are quite capable of doing and by those who choose to do so as well here.  I would hardly make statements for others here. That's playing 'god' in someones ability to do for and speak for themselves. Their own 'God' given ability and right as equals.

Enough of this. If you wish to make such statements, then by all means be willing to support and stand behind your own thinking of such thoughts Melody and give the 'evidence' of these silent ones you state you are speaking for.

I wish you peace Sister. And the right to be right which seems to be the case here, it's yours. I gladly let this one go.

Own up to your own statements my Sister and allow others to own theirs.

Many Blessings, Be Well, In Peace and Harmony and In Truth,

Julia

[Talker]

Warm Welcome Melody and All,
Did a post a short time ago on large numbers.
While my blog post applied in one fashion, the outcry of 9/11 was expressed in another fashion. I do feel though, that what I had expressed regards deaths in large numbers still applies to that 9/11 event. Again, I state, much more could be added here, but would serve no real purpose, and would some what be a repeat of the blog post. The effect or trauma of large numbers does lose meaningful impact, in many happenings, but that effect, which I dislike, strangely, serves a purpose.
Be Well

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