Metaphysics Versus Bible’s Christianity

[juliainkc]

Hello Darrell, Adrian and Everyone,

In light of the recent discussion on the Divine Feminine I wish to share something with you. I do not belong to any Spiritual belief 'system' as in Wicca. I have no issues with it and I know that men practice it as well.

I have shared in various posts a little bit about how I was 'shown' what I live and know. It was in Nature's remote places, being taken to the side, and I have from these experiences in my life taken these things with me because they are of me and all I share my Universe with.

I've no axe to grind with anyone. In this physical Universe, we have duality. Beyond this is no duality. We are interacting within all these energy experiencing fields at the same 'time' if you will.

What I shared was expressed as in a scale balancing. Too much of anything is too much. When the 'scales' balance it brings us to Zero point.

That said, I love my brothers here and all of you and I am speaking of the Love that permeates all and is in all and everything. All I am Asked is to be willing to be open to it. I am open to it. That's all.

Please forgive if I misunderstood your essence Julia

You know that is a given Darrell. No need to forgive because we have shared together enough in this forum and have the Connection to look beyond the words. All is Well as you well know.

I muse over how things show up usually after an event, as in affirming something for me. I believe this to be 'true' for all if we are aware of our Higher Self communing with us. This morning as I headed out for quiet time, I was 'prompted' to pick up my copy of 'The Tao Te Ching'. I Asked, 'What Tao is for me today?"  And I sense I was to share it here with you in light of the recent discussion.


Tao #28

To know the masculine and yet cleave to the feminine
is to be the womb for the world.
Being the womb for the world, never departing
from the eternal power of Tao, you become
as an infant once again: Immortal.

To know the bright and yet to hold the dull
is to be an example for the world.
Being the example for the world, not deviating
from the everlasting power of Tao,
you return to the infinite once again:

Limitless

To know honor and yet keep to humility
is to be the valley for the world.
Being the valley for the world,
rich within the primal power of Tao,
you return again to simplicity,
like uncarved wood.

Allow Tao to carve you into a vessel for Tao.
Then you can serve the world without mutilating it.

Just sharing what was shared with your sister here.

Love to you all Within Divine Spirit, InJoy this day,

Julia

[zensunni7]

Greetings all,

Any thread that starts with focus on ' versus ' cannot end up with any positive result. It sends the message we are searching for the differences of opposing things.  But like dichotomies we see things that appear t be opposites, but are not in reality.
The Bible is a book of metaphysics written within the limitations of the time, a population widely uneducated and not literate, primarily because the educated had the definite advantage over the masses.
Jesus was the first to address this openly and by use of metaphysics in his arguments with the established religions of the time. It is quite the same today. Metaphysics is kept in the fringes of social acceptance by way of trying discrediting it, primarily by focus on its ' differences ' with conventional religions and sciences.

Thoughts that blend the two find common ground with even the most fundamental of religion, but it is only the insistence of one to be triumphantly right over the other that leads to wars of belief whether they be debates or all out war - war is war regardless of the battlefields dimensions.

We cannot all believe the same thing as absolute truth, so perhaps the error is in believing there is an " Absolute " truth. One idea / ideal that will pigeon hole us all into the ONE and only belief. Our greatness is based in our absolute variety of differences, without defining them as good or bad, if these differences in beliefs were not the key to our evolutions, then we would still be writing with feathers to candle light. Nor would I have the honor of hearing all these ideas here on this forum.
The Universe celebrates and revels in our differences, and cringes away with its energies when we turn these differences into conflicts and war. We can agree to disagree with respect and a willingness to hear another's ideas, often leading to another piece of our own puzzles.
In the East we invading with our ideals of how life should be lived, what is right for them, for their women and governments, yet our own is smothering in its own hypocrisies and drowning in its greed. The women of the East will rise to their freedom when they are ready to, and they will, democracy will flourish there when it is its time to.
There is in my heart all the time a trust in the Human race, history does not support it, actions of myself and those around me does not say this is wise, and thoughts I hear from many say I am even a fool to believe in the Human races desire to claim its own glory of creation. Yet I will not let anything sway me from it - nothing, not in my last breath.
I came from a youth that hated the Human race - I desired only its demise, believing deeply it was Gods most horrible lapse in judgment and a mistake needing eradication from the Universe before it spread off planet.
Now I stand with millions and billions as its greatest supporters. Light will absorb the dark, there is no other outcome for us all. Not destroy it, annihilate it, or war with it, just become a part of it. Darkness supports our explorations, our desires for the unknown, and our absolute joy and wonder of new. Dark matter supports life in the light.
All does not happen in perfection as New age decrees - children dying, children being molested, beaten, starving, people dying of starvation when we can feed everyone, this is not our natural order. Sorry - not buying it.
Yet we will know the end to these things in the twinkling of a truly loving eye.This will all be what we know it can when we truly want it, like all other things in life.

WithIN Life
Darrell

[Adrian]

Dear Julia and Darrell,

I have just returned from an enjoyable day out with my sons to discover your profound contributions which require little further comment - they are best simply absorbed.

The only small observations I would make are these:

Wicca which celebrates the feminine aspect of God was largely a backlash against centuries of personifying the Divine as a masculine deity. It has to be observed that any attempt to personify and/or genderise God shows a profound lack of grasp on the true nature of God Which in any case is incomprehensible to most humans.

Wicca therefore is understandable.

As it happens, Gerald Gardner, the creator of Wicca, had his base and lived a few miles from where I live - it was a converted windmill which he used for Wiccan rites and initiations etc.

Truth - no one has the absolute Truth - Only God. In my book I put forward what I personally know to be the Truth, much of it inspired in fact, but even so in the concluding chapter I state, quite categorically, that this truth may not be entirely that of the reader. Everyone recognises their truth for what it is, and therefore should accept only what they feel is true and reject the rest.

I think we are all "guilty" of large scale misjudgments at one time or another including myself.

I made the mistake of confusing the Bible with Christianity for many years and accordingly shunned the Bible. It was not until I was "instructed" to read it that I discovered the profound inner teachings contained - teachings which I frequently pass on to newsletter readers.

All of the extremes you mention Darrell, as well as many others including the final death throes of society and world government are all aspects of the unstainable course humanity has embarked upon, and which will no longer be sustained. Every few thousand years there is a purgative event where Source, God hits the reset button - the great flood, which is widely documented throughout the world was the last one and only one in recorded history.

The time for judgements has long passed. Now is the time for forgiveness, service to others before service to self - especially in guiding humanity towards the Light, and finally Unconditional Love.

These will restore natural order, our true reality, and above all conscious connection and realisation of Source, God.

In LVX,

Adrian.

[juliainkc]

Dear Adrian,

I trust you are continuing to enjoy the wonderful day with your sons. It is in the 104 heat index here and I wish to send share by sending 25 degrees your way. I wish to stand side by side with you here and commune with you.

Thank you for sharing about Wicca. I heartily support what you are saying here. Not that you need it. In essence I consider myself more of a 'Whirling Dervish', open to all Spiritual paths and taking what is for me to know in this moment while releasing the rest for perhaps another moment.

Truth - no one has the absolute Truth - Only God. In my book I put forward what I personally know to be the Truth, much of it inspired in fact, but even so in the concluding chapter I state, quite categorically, that this truth may not be entirely that of the reader. Everyone recognises their truth for what it is, and therefore should accept only what they feel is true and reject the rest.

Namaste Adrian. When I have shared something as being 'Absolute Truth' it said with your statement here in mind. We are each living according to what we know within ourselves to be our own truth. A take what speaks to you and leave the rest. I recognize this in you and the sharing of your profound and Insighful Wisdom. Thank you.

I think we are all "guilty" of large scale misjudgments at one time or another including myself.

I can speak only for myself here. In learning what I am here to 'teach', my teaching is 'a speaking out loud to myself' and sharing what it is I am being taught. I am my own student and teacher. I can read and hear and take it in from 'others' however, it is ultimately what comes through the filters of my Being that speaks to me and in turn I am the creator of my life to act on these things by Being through living what I profess to be the truth for myself and I can accept this to be so for all others.

In my own living being experience of being taught and learning about misjudging (partial judgements as I am not always able to see the whole picture) I have come to realize that all my experiences have culminated into my being a student of Unconditional Love, I have the opportunity to choose again and again and so it goes. Learning to make no judgments, see no guilt. Yes, easier said than done at one time or another. So, in knowing this about myself and learning to Love myself as I am in this moment, I can then allow myself to look upon another in compassion because I have it to give. It is who I am in myself to myself and the same is 'true' for all. We can only give what we have by receiving it for ourselves. I was shown something to Ask when I am judging another. I shared this with a Beloved Friend recently; "Would I accuse myself of this?" or "Would I condemn myself for this?" Hmm...

The time for judgements has long passed. Now is the time for forgiveness, service to others before service to self - especially in guiding humanity towards the Light, and finally Unconditional Love.

These will restore natural order, our true reality, and above all conscious connection and realisation of Source, God.

Amen.

In Love, Light Within Life,

Julia

[Adrian]

Dear Julia,

Thank you very much for sharing this and reminding for the remnder that we are, after all "only human".

Actually "only" does not do us justice - we are infinite, limitless, expressions of our Creator, Source, God, whose Higher Self, our true and complete Self, has by freewill elected to experience human conditions in this and other incarnations. Anyone who thinks this life is hard, then spare a moment to consider the incarnations of the dark ages, and further back to the days where life was a constant struggle for survival in severe conditions such as the ice ages, living only in caves.  Life today would seem like Heaven to them.

It is not easy, if it were it would be pointless. Many Souls, maybe even the majority elect not to incarnate into the physical vibration at all,  to save themselves from the suffering in what they see from their vibration as the dark, dreary, oppressive environment of Earth. That of course is there prerogative. They will evolve in their own way in due course.

The human condition on Earth is a "baptism by fire", but one which enables our Higher Selves to evolve to greater glories and a much greater role in the Universe as a whole, in partnership with God, at a hugely accelerated rate. Our bravery, fortitude and suffering yields its ultimate benefits as we, as God-people, become active creators in the greater Universe.

For all the faults of humanity in a physical form, we should be proud, and only see the beauty of our existence.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

[Talker]

Warm Welcome To All,
Wonderful number of salient thoughts expressed here on the forum.
Seeing the word 'truths' as used here in these discussions, brought up
thoughts of my blog post about Truths, and how there may be many
valid truths resonating, but such resonance may only be for the one vibrating to it.
It is at this point on the path, many, unaware of the true truth, continue
with an incorrect, for them, truth, until awakened.
Of course, even the mere mention of true truth, is subject to interpretation.
Be Well

http://thetalker.org/archives/234/2-truth-is-like-a-rubber-band-2/

[Adrian]

Dear Talker,

Warm Welcome To All,
Wonderful number of salient thoughts expressed here on the forum.
Seeing the word 'truths' as used here in these discussions, brought up
thoughts of my blog post about Truths, and how there may be many
valid truths resonating, but such resonance may only be for the one vibrating to it.
It is at this point on the path, many, unaware of the true truth, continue
with an incorrect, for them, truth, until awakened.
Of course, even the mere mention of true truth, is subject to interpretation.
Be Well

http://thetalker.org/archives/234/2-truth-is-like-a-rubber-band-2/

Yes we must always be cognizant of the use of the word "truth" and in particular where it comes from.

Orthodox religions will always regard their preachings as the "truth" for example, citing them to be the "word of God", without understanding the true nature of God or the inner meanings of the Bible which represents the "word of God" and which many accept in blind faith. Indeed, from a theological perspective, "faith" means placing faith in the church.

Absolute Truth can always be tested because we all intuitively know the truth, or rather our Higher Self knows the Truth as of course does Source, God.  Anyone can access the absolute truth if only they knew how and were prepared to do so.

There are books that have been inspired from Source, God, and these books are certainly true, but still the reader should test this truth for themselves.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[melody]

The information below is in view of some ideas stated earlier in this topic. Are we now better off because of WWII? Has there been a relative quite and prosperity around the globe in the past 100-50 years? Here are some rather unpleasant statistics that show quite the contrary:

Deaths by Mass Unpleasantness

Estimated Totals for the Entire 20th Century:

How many people died in all the wars, massacres, slaughters and oppressions of the Twentieth Century?
TOTAL: 203,000,000

How many people died in the same category since the end of WWII and the end of the 20th century?
86 Million - That is more than 1/3 of those who died in various wars and massacres between 1900 -2000.
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat8.htm#Total

And how many people died in WWII alone? Roughly 72 million people – less than the number above of 86 M.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

The above statistics do not include, for example, almost 12 million who died up to 2000 from what is claimed to be a man-made virus AIDS, the release of which into the general population, it is also claimed, was not innocent.

To say that there was a relative peace since WWII is really a fallacy. It is fortunate that many of us live in relatively peaceful parts of the world. And it is really too bad that many of us tend to ignore almost completely the man-made suffering and human slaughter that goes on in the rest of the world.

The above statistics do not seem to indicate that people’s situation - as far as carnage is concerned - has markedly improved since the end of WWII.

I wonder what agonizing thoughts those who die by terror send to our common human beings’ Mental Plane. I wonder what thoughts those who orchestrate all the untimely death implant into the same our one Mental Plane, or what thoughts the children who go hungry to bed sent to the Mental Plane. How come we are not affected by them? How come we can claim that we made such a progress when in reality we are deaf and blind to the suffering of the others?

“Mass poverty is one of the world’s most pressing problems and daunting challenges. The compelling facts are well known:

• Over one billion people – almost one in five – live in extreme poverty, subsisting on less than a dollar a day.
• If the poverty line was raised to $2 a day, more than half of the world’s population would be living in poverty.
• Over 100 million primary school-age children cannot afford to go to school.
• Eight million people die each year simply because they lack the means to survive.
• Over 11 million children die each year from preventable causes like malaria, diarrhea and pneumonia.

http://www.epiic.org/symposium/2008/symposium.html

“Less than one per cent of what the world spent every year on weapons was needed to put every child into school by the year 2000 and yet it didn’t happen.

1 billion children live in poverty (1 in 2 children in the world). 640 million live without adequate shelter, 400 million have no access to safe water, 270 million have no access to health services. 10.6 million died in 2003 before they reached the age of 5 (or roughly 29,000 children per day). [And how many more children die who are above age 5?]
…
Around the world, 27–30,000 children die every day. That is equivalent to 1 child dying every 3 seconds, 20 children dying every minute, a 2004 Asian Tsunami occurring almost every week, or 10–11 million children dying every year. Over 50 million children died between 2000 and 2005. The silent killers are poverty, easily preventable diseases and illnesses, and other related causes. In spite of the scale of this daily/ongoing catastrophe, it rarely manages to achieve, much less sustain, prime-time, headline coverage.”

http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Poverty.asp

The above is only poverty statistics, which does not include the additional terror of wars, and mass political and war exterminations.

Over 50 M of children died from preventable causes during a 5 year period in this century – that’s more than 2/3 of all the people who died during WWII. This is a major disaster of a mass magnitude that goes totally ignored, so we can claim how much we have learned from WWII and how much better as human beings we are because of WWII ?  Many people were polite and considered before WWII, and they still are. Nothing has changed.

The 3000 people who died in 911 “changed the world” it is claimed. But how come 10-11 million children who die every year from “easily preventable” causes do not change the world? Is it because the death of those children does not affect our well being in any way, but 911 had threatened our security? Are we this egotistical that we use metaphysics as a kind of presumption to justify our egocentricity and complacency?

Did the poor people choose it this way? Or did we impose it to be that way so we can live in relative stability and wealth while exploiting the rest of the world and then going on propagating philosophies that everybody gets what they asked for, according to their Karma, and therefore this poverty is not our responsibility, so we can live guiltless lives regardless of how desperate the majority of Earth populations is? Maybe it is really us who are failing to make any difference and thus creating our Karma. And our meditation, regardless of how much we meditate, obviously is not changing anything even a bit.

[melody]

This is an aside to the main topic of this discussion thread.

I believe that a forum is an egalitarian and democratic place where everybody has an equal voice and the right of expression, and where all the participants are treated equally. This forum though seems to have a hierarchy. Some people are referred by Adrian as Dear, and In Love and Light, or In LVX (Curiously, I goggled LVX and got Masonic Lodges as a result), whereas the majority of this forum participants are simply Hello…, and Kind Regards.
 
What kind of a message does this sent to the members of this forum? The way to please? What if a teacher treated pupils in a classroom in this way? How do those who never get addressed as Dear will end up feeling after a while? Excluded from full interest and consideration, from full acceptance and favour? What message does such a differentiated treatment transmit to the outside world?

[juliainkc]

Dear Melody,

This is an aside to the main topic of this discussion thread.

This forum though seems to have a hierarchy. Some people are referred by Adrian as Dear, and In Love and Light, or In LVX (Curiously, I goggled LVX and got Masonic Lodges as a result), whereas the majority of this forum participants are simply Hello…, and Kind Regards.

Hierarcy as in who posts the most posts? Or ones right to express however they wish in the moment without being judged by their way of expression. Each post and address seems to 'fit' the message being given by the messenger.

Perhaps, I should kiss my mailman like I do my children when he delivers the mail as a form of my equal devotion and appreciation.

You seem to by personally observing your choice of words, to be focused on what is apparently 'wrong' with what you are seeing.We can get on all sorts of rabbit chases here. It is by Divine leading that each one can share here. Only an individual can make their own distinctions. In other words what are you reflecting when you post in this forum? What are you wishing to accomplish by this and your previous post here?

I quote your own statement:

I believe that a forum is an egalitarian place where everybody has an equal voice and the right of expression, and where all the participants are treated equally.

What is your definition what is equal to another or what love means to another or what perfect means to another? You have been openly allowed your opinion and it is respected. Not everyone can accept being addressed in a friendly way. Everyone comfortably expresses as they feel led to do. I respect this.

This is about looking for differences and not looking at the expression of the message being shared.

I Ask you this; "Is what you are expressing and doing Melody giving you Peace or unrest?

Just thinking out loud, Thank you for sharing your thoughts,

In the Divine Spirit of Love,

Julia

[sativaguitar]

Just getting back to the beginning of this thread....

Has any one seen the movie Zeitgeist

http://sector.yweb.sk/Zeitgeist.Final.Edition.DVDRip.XviD.torrent

Excellent stuff. Jesus, bible, 911, Central Banks ,USA , Microchipping etc

Did Jesus even exist at all and what is the real truth behind the creation of the Bible and other ancient Religions ?
This is 2 hours long (700 mb ). Some interesting facts about  " Christianity" etc. Is it possible to ever know where the truth ends and the scam starts. How does this all fit into the real truth of the Universe and just where does the line get drawn between Metaphsics and Christianity for eg if this doco is true about Jesus. Keen on some opinions it's all getting confusing  .....

[melody]

What is your definition what is equal...

The only definition - Uncoditional Love for All

[sativaguitar]

Melody what is going on! What are you trying to do here? I think you read far to much in to things and just like a good argument for the sake of it. If you feel that others getting a different response is elitism etc maybe you should look at why your ego is offended/leftout or whatever by it. I myself have never felt in any way less than any one here cause of such things . Hey some people like yourself have been here longer than I but I would never get offended by not getting the same "goodbye" as some one else, that is just childish. I really think there has been some genuine great points here especially over the last Few days from Adrian, Darrell and Julia. I really enjoy learning and getting others opinions but you seem to have a different agenda

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

This is an aside to the main topic of this discussion thread.

I believe that a forum is an egalitarian and democratic place where everybody has an equal voice and the right of expression, and where all the participants are treated equally. This forum though seems to have a hierarchy. Some people are referred by Adrian as Dear, and In Love and Light, or In LVX (Curiously, I goggled LVX and got Masonic Lodges as a result), whereas the majority of this forum participants are simply Hello…, and Kind Regards.

I understand what you are saying, but please do not read anything in to the way I commence and end my messages - to be honest it never even occured to me at a conscious level. My messages were concluded in a way that to me Subconsciously appeared to be appropriate - I never even think about it.

As for LVX - it is not masonic at all as far as I know.

There are several layers of meanings for LVX.

The first is that that in ancient times the letter "U" is written "V". So LVX = Lux which is Latin for Light.  so In LVX literally means "In Lux" which is "in Light".

The occult meaning, which has nothing to do with the Masons, and I assure you I have nothing to do with the Masons, is that the letters L, V and X add up to a total of 65, which corresponds in Hebrew numerology to Addonai, of Lord - in other words God. So in LVX means "In God".

There are deeper occult meanings rooted in Hermetics, but I will not go into them now. 

But you are correct in as much that we are all equal, and I will conclude my messages as such in future to reflect that truth.

What kind of a message does this sent to the members of this forum? The way to please? What if a teacher treated pupils in a classroom in this way? How do those who never get addressed as Dear will end up feeling after a while? Excluded from full interest and consideration, from full acceptance and favour? What message does such a differentiated treatment transmit to the outside world?

I am not sending any particular messages in the way I commence and conclude my posts, but I accept what you are saying and will change accordingly.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

[juliainkc]

The only definition - Uncoditional Love for All

What does this mean to you? Does it mean we are free to allow others to be whatever they desire to be as in free to decide for oneself or according to what you define as Unconditional Love based on your own defining by what you are experiencing what that means.

Unconditional means just that. You don't mind another's business. You maintain your own and allow others the right to do the same. You are focusing on whatever you choose to focus on based on your definition of what you 'see'. I am free like everyone else here to share my point of view but it is only that. Not if you don't believe the way I choose to or see the way I choose to see then you are not loving unconditionally?

Unconditional Melody as in Live and Let Live.

Again, what is your not someone else's definition for Unconditional Love. That is for you to know. What are you seeking here from Adrian and the 'hierarchy' you claim exists? As you seemed focused on making him the subject of your attention as is visible by your many statements in your posts? Just asking for clarity. Adrian seems to be more than willing to comply to you as in evident in the many posts he has responded to you with.

In Truth. What is the Heart of your statements here?

Asking WithIn Love's Divine Spirit,

Julia