Metaphysics Versus Bible’s Christianity

[melody]

The metaphysics is mainly concerned with acquiring “powers” and gaining control over energy levels. It is based on Mental control. The true biblical Christianity, on the other hand, is not concerned with ”powers” and this type of Mental “knowledge” and control, but rather teaches how to become enlightened, how to acquire higher vibrations with the added bonus of all understandings and abilities that go with it.

According to the Bible, we find ourselves in this plane where we are right now because we ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. We will stay in this plane as long as we vibrate with the evil that we had consummated. When we will get rid of the evil – law vibrations, and have only good ones left =  higher vibrations, it is only then we will be able to leave this plane.

It is God that predetermined all levels of existence. Each level has specific vibrations. Astral planes have different vibrations and apparently we will transition to the plane which corresponds to our vibrations, not any higher. So, it appears, our vibrations are being “judged’ = measured by a God’s law at a point of transition, and we will find ourselves only in that area that corresponds to our vibrations. We have absolutely no personal or mental choice or control over it at that point.

To claim that good and evil does not exist, as stated in metaphysics, is, from my point of view, erroneous. As long as there are all those level of vibrations in existence, created by God, then the scale of the spirit’s vibrations exist as well. The lower and higher are on that scale, and since the lower ones would not bring you closer to God they can be called “bad”, “evil”, where as those vibrations on the scale which would bring you closer to God could be called” good” and desirable.

The “evil’ is to have low vibrations. Those who engage in low vibrations and are not concerned with raising their vibrations, could sink even to lower vibrating spheres which Bible calls abyss or hell. If it is not all that sweet to live on Earth, with its relatively low vibrations, then imagine being in even lower vibrating spheres. Is that God’s punishment? Yes and no. He is the one who created the vibrational scale for people to chose from. He created the lower spheres that vibrate even lower then where we are right now, and which are even denser than our’s. To assume that we are already in the lowest harmonics of God’s creation would be erroneous. The beings may sink into even lower and lower spheres of existence if they choose to harbour those types of vibrations.

God decreed it this way and by the rules of his game, the rules of the realms he created those low vibrating beings would go even lower than the Earth vibrations – to “hell”, to the “abyss”. They would not be able to come out of there if they would not choose to change their vibrations to the good - the higher ones.

In a sense one can claim that it is God’s punishment that people will sink into lower spheres and his reword if they go to higher spheres because he devised it in that way. Yet it is our choice where we will end up. God is not forcing us to make the choice, we have to do it ourselves, we have to make sure we will not to get even lower than where we are already and that we should be trying to get higher, in order to raise our vibrations and get to God’s higher planes of existence And the only way we can do it, is to choose to be “good” and “righteous” and thus become filled with higher vibrations.

Could it be that this plane where we are right now is a decisive one? It this a playground, but not for us to get what we want, but the most decisive lower plane for us where we can still  make a decision as to what vibrations we will choose – the higher ones, the ”good” or the lower ones – the “evil”? Is it possible that this might be the only place in God’s existence where relatively higher vibrations (not the really higher ones) and relatively lower (not the lowest ones) exist on the same plane? Because this might be the last level where the choice could still be consciously made? It is quite possible, that once a being sinks to even lower vibrations, he would not be able to extricate himself from it because he got himself into a “loop”, and his mental processes are such at that point that he would no longer consider “good” or higher vibrations as desirable and would not even be able to reason in those terms and strive for higher vibrations? Even many people on Earth have difficulty with this right now, with accepting for themselves higher or lower vibration, of making a conscious choice between good and evil. If this is so, if a being can get himself into a mental loop of no return as far as the desirability of higher vibrations are concerned, than those being might be caught for the eternity in those lower spheres, in the abyss, just as the Bible claims, since God would not lift them out of there because he would not go against a being’s personal choice.

Good and Evil exist as long as high and low vibrations exist. And this is not a conjecture of human mind, not a dichotomy created by human beings’. They are a part of the universal vibrations principle.

So the Bible, especially the New Testament, is indeed the teachings about how to become enlightened and attain higher vibrations, and to strive to get away from the low vibrations. This is the main focus and concern of the Bible. The added bonus is, one will get the powers automatically when one will start vibrating with high vibrations.

The Metaphysical teachings are mainly concerned about getting various powers, and not as much as how to raise one’s vibrations - this is not its main focus. But it appears that such powers would be of no real substantial use for the spirit, since they would not raise the soul’s vibrations. For instance, turning the compass’ needle would not make you vibrate with higher harmonics.

[melody]

The metaphysics teaches that we are all one. The Bible gives each of us an individuality, an individual choice to vibrate where the person wishes to vibrate. We all have our individuated vibrations, our personal signature harmonics - our personal tonality and tone.

Even our planet emits its own tonality, and so does other planets in our solar system. Those tonalities are separate vibrations, each a different realm. They are not one. And although the planets belong to the same solar system, they are not one. Mars and Earth do not form one entity. They are two separate entities with their own individuality, personality and vibrational tonality, but in the same – one solar system.

We human beings are one only because we are on the same plane right now (in the same solar system), and are all affected by the same physical and environmental laws.  Once we will pass over to the Astral, we will be one only with the Astral Plane where we will end up. We might not be on the same Astral Plane with the majority of human beings on Earth right now. Our Astral Planes will be quite separate entities, and we will be separated by energy vibrational barriers from those on other Astral Planes. We apparently can go and visit to the lower planes, but we could not stay there, because those planes would not be one with us.

We could not be one with all the humanity on this planet because we already vibrate at different levels – as per our individuated choice - and we are already connected inside us to different - separate Astral, Mental and Causal planes. We are only one in a physical sense, but not with our individuated vibrations inside each of us.

I am not one with the likes of Hitler, I don’t vibrate in those tonalities. Such vibrations give me creeps.

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

The important thing to keep in Mind is there is no such thing as "the will of God" and God does not make arbitary decisions.

God has rather created a framework which is maintained in a state of equilibrium by immutable Universal Principles, and everything else is more or less automatic. Our Being is a function of our vibration, which in turn is a function of our state of perfection.

It is impossible to rationalise God, because God is incomprehensible to humans generally, who in any case tend to ascribe human like powers and traits to God.

We are all One with Hitler and all other Beings in the Universe. We may differ in vibration, but that does not make us any less One.

And keep in Mind that, for example, the same Higher Self could be both say Hitler and Mother Teresa in different incarnations. Most Higher Selves need to experience what humans refer to as "good" and "evil" otherwise the Higher Self would be unbalanced.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[Sethg]

And our lessons are easiest to master when they have the negative tone of abuse or Hitleresque qualities as the affect is greater when it is a more "traumatic" or drama filled incarnation.

Knowing that dark and light are illusions of duality is a key factor to returning to the masters that we all are.

I am Hitler. He was a great catalyst in our collective movement to remembering the perfect god beings that we are. Without the Hitlers we may not be where we are today.

With love
Seth

[Adrian]

Hello Seth,

And our lessons are easiest to master when they have the negative tone of abuse or Hitleresque qualities as the affect is greater when it is a more "traumatic" or drama filled incarnation.

Knowing that dark and light are illusions of duality is a key factor to returning to the masters that we all are.

I am Hitler. He was a great catalyst in our collective movement to remembering the perfect god beings that we are. Without the Hitlers we may not be where we are today.

With love
Seth

Amen to that.

When people judge they fail to see beyond the extremely limited temporal perspective of Earth bound human beings.

What they do not see is the infinite number of causes and effects related to any one "event". It is often only after hundreds or thousands of years in the "future" - as it relates to the Earth concept of time - that humanity can look back and begin to understand the significance.

Take 9/11 for example - regardless of who perpetrated it - it is seen by most as "bad", but it was a mass human evolutionary experience that tested people with a huge range of emotions ranging from shock, grief, heroism, joy and so on. Even the Higher Selves of those who "died" sent that representative to Earth for that experience as a necessary aspect of the Whole.

In LVX,

Adrian.

[Sethg]

Yes

The minute I heard about 911 I thanked the transitioned souls for helping do their part in
in humanities collective ascension.

They are dearly loved.

seth

[melody]

Hello Adrian,

Most Higher Selves need to experience what humans refer to as "good" and "evil" otherwise the Higher Self would be unbalanced.

Do Angels have higher selves? They never materialised, and they do not need to experience the vibrations of evil to balance themselves. Yet they are more balanced than anybody can ever aspire to be on Earth, that is, if Angels really exist.

When I hear  this concept that I have to balance myself with evil, it feels completely outside of me. It does not resonate in any plane of my being - mental, spiritual or emotional, and not because I am forcefully rejecting it. It appears to be only an illusion as a concept when people talk about it. I do understand that many people resonate with this, but indeed it feels completely outside of me - a weired external illusionary theory.

Take 9/11 for example - regardless of who perpetrated it - it is seen by most as "bad", but it was a mass human evolutionary experience that tested people with a huge range of emotions ranging from shock, grief, heroism, joy and so on. Even the Higher Selves of those who "died" sent that representative to Earth for that experience as a necessary aspect of the Whole.

There are plenty opportunities to experience strong emotions in everyday life. Most people do it constantly just watching the sports games. They feel quite overwhelmingly heroic when their team scores. Frankly, their emotions are even stronger than what the majority of people had experienced during 911. I really fail to see how 911 had helped us in any ways in any ascention... People's collective vibrations are the same as before 911.

Adrian, you obviously take it as your mission to promote "mass human evolutionary" evolving. Then why instead of sitting in front of your computer simply not to go out and stage a like of 911, or start mass exterminating people as Hitler did. Maybe that would be - in line with your thinking - far more effective in helping people to evolve than writing your newsletters and your book since it will create a great deal more drama for humans to experience than your writing ever could.

[melody]

I am Hitler. He was a great catalyst in our collective movement to remembering the perfect god beings that we are. Without the Hitlers we may not be where we are today.

Hello Seth,

I don't believe for a moment that Hitler helped us in any way to evolve spiritually. That to me is a very convoluted type of thinking. It makes me feel sick to my stomach.

You can never create Love by killing, hate and terror. You will only create very scared people marked pshychologically.

Only LOVE can create LOVE, nothing else can. Period.

[melody]

Since the statements above by Seth and Adrian about Hitler and 911 made me sick, and made me even feel sick about this forum, I finally decided to ask what I did not dare before.

Adrian, you put a period after your name. Why?

I saw this done for the first time when I came in contact with the Anglo-Saxon world. Since then I came across very few people who do this. It is not even grammatical to put a period after one's signature (unless they teach otherwise in British schools?).  I always had an impression that there was a finality to what a person said: ” And this is what I say. Period.”  I always perceived it as a cut off, a limiting, even of the self, a rigidity of some sort, a delineation (this is where I end), or even self-protection – a barrier between the self ends and the rest of the world.

It shouts out loud,” This is where ME ends. Period.”

[Sethg]

Hi Melody

I read all your replies as I can see you are an avid participant in this forum. Thanks for directing a comment
to me.

I may help your understanding of my comments by giving a mini recap of how I look at things.

Our true nature is formless. No separation between anything or anyone. When we experience life in human form we are by definition in form or seemingly separate. The purpose of this play that has gone on for many human lifetimes is to see if we can remember that we are formless and perfect and god.

To accomplish this we set up lessons for ourselves to help us re-member. These lessons are incorporated with the drama that is associated with actions like wars and 911's and abuse and also all the so called positive aspects of a human lifetime. We have individual lessons as well as lessons that are for humanity as a whole. The lessons serve the purpose to nudge us awake. To precipitate the shift in mass consciousness back to the source that is our true selves.

Hitler precipitated a huge nudge in mass consciousness. The "atrocities" and actions that were experienced during his era helped us to examine the actions of one being to another and vow to change and not allow this behavior to continue. And it hasn't. Any conflict since has been tribal and isolated and not on the scale of the Hitler era.

If I am to believe that we are one. That there is no "good" or "evil" That any seemingly heinous crime that one being inflicts on another is merely part of the individual or mass lesson then how can I draw the line at Hitler.

Ther is no line. I can't say that we are all perfect. I can't say that I see god in all of us and then turn around and say 'well there are exceptions" That does not resonate with me or the whole concept of oneness.

As I say He and his countrymen played a huge role in our collective awakening. That is why I say this.

There is no line in the sand for me where some of us are me but not these guys because I dont want to associated with those "bad" people. It is inconsistent and in my view not the way god perceives. I always look at things the way god would as I am god.

911 is another example of the mass consciousness being jolted awake especially in the US. Historically
America has operated from the perspective that our way is the way. Through the media and educational system Americans are taught very little about other cultures or people.

This separateness had to change for humanity to step to the next level of evolution. 911 has made amazing changes in the way they view the world. It's like they stuck their collective heads out of the sand and looked around. The explosion of books and information about Islam was and is incredible. The internet and the media has broaden their scope because the people demanded to understand why people would kill themselves for a cause.

This is the big picture of my comments. When I look at any event I always look from this perspective. Of course it is not very popular in many circles and from what I had read on this forum and listened to how Adrian viewed things I knew that this circle could allow it.

When I read your comments Melody It feels to me that this perspective as you say "sickens" you. I am not here to try to change or convince you of anything. How you perceive or react is for you to ascertain. I can feel that we not be on the same wavelength.

With love
Seth     

[juliainkc]

Good Morning Sethg and All,

I appreciate your responses here. I have to agree also with another in the forums here that 'words' are something that we all have yet to completely master due to the 'wrestling' of physical form and Spiritual formlessness. Language is another aspect of trying to relate what is being said if you will. This leaves plenty of room for misunderstandings or a lot of grace.

9/11 was a wake up call. I agree that our country has a 'my way or the highway' mentality. From living abroad, I observed our fellow Americans in 'foreign' countries and instead of becoming one of the 'Romans', insisting or demanding that we be related to in our language and our ways. There is plenty of history available to see how this was done. I am not condoning the way this happened on 9/11 by any means. But we as a country have done this to other countries many times in the name and under the guise of freedom. And we are not the only country who has.

I see it as an opportunity to choose again our 'purpose' for being here.

To express 'God' and to awaken by example in 'other' aspects of oneself the knowing of the Divine in 'them' as well.

Again, I appreciate your thoughts.

Many Blessings, Be Well and InJoy,

Julia

[Talker]

Warm Hello To All,
Very interesting subject being played out here. What is involved is a very difficult to comprehend issue. 'Lessons to learn and Unconditional Love', are, I believe at the root of coming to grips with the whole concept. With  'Unconditional Love', there can not be any modifying terms, like 'but' or 'except' attached to it. Easy to achieve, no, but definitely doable. One thought at a time is how it commences. Yes, it does rub against ones comfort zone of what is 'right and wrong'. Until one is presented with the total insanity of certain events, how can you know the full magnitude of 'right and wrong'. Many were aware of the doings of Hitler and Stalin, but said or did nothing of any consequence. When more of those happenings came to light, is when human awareness greatly expanded with  'Lessons to learn'. Unfortunately many current leaders did not learn or apply corrective measures. The wrongness of it all continues, some what indicating 'much more to be learnt yet'.  'Unconditional Love' has to start, and touch, if necessary, one soul at a time, until fully recognized for it's true meaning and encompassed by all.
Be Well

[juliainkc]

Good Morning Talker,

I enjoyed reading your response and resonate with you as well. Many did know and did nor said nothing. It did 'later' reveal the Spirit of Unconditional Love's Presence in the ones like Anne Frank and Corrie Ten Boom.

We are still learning that while it may seem very 'easy' to love those who love us in return, Unconditional Love is why 'events' such as these we are speaking of here come around again so we may know what removing the barriers to Love is by 'learning' to love our 'projected enemies.' Otherwise are we any different than the ones we look at as being unlike ourselves?

I agree, one soul at a time. I'm still evolving' in  8-)mine.

H mm...

Loving Blessings and Be Well,

Julia

[Talker]

Good Morning Talker,

I enjoyed reading your response and resonate with you as well. Many did know and did nor said nothing.

It did 'later' reveal the Spirit of Unconditional Love's Presence in the ones like Anne Frank and Corrie Ten Boom

.

We are still learning that while it may seem very 'easy' to love those who love us in return, Unconditional Love is why 'events' such as these we are speaking of here come around again so we may know what removing the barriers to Love is by 'learning' to love our 'projected enemies.' Otherwise are we any different than the ones we look at as being unlike ourselves?

I agree, one soul at a time. I'm still evolving' in  8-)mine.

H mm...

Loving Blessings and Be Well,

Julia

Hello Julia and All,

Thank you for the added reminder.
Had omitted typing in my often stated, "much more can be said here".
Jane Roberts wrote a 'Seth' book on 'Mass Events', it is a good read, and really catches ones thinking process.
Be Well

[melody]

Yes, Seth, indeed, we are on a different wavelength.

The only method of transformation that all the enlightened masters on this Earth ever taught was to meditate or pray, love unconditionally, love your neighbor as yourself, exercise compassion, and extend a helping hand to those less fortunate. They never preached to create mass distraction events or wars to advance the human race, they never advocated human sacrifice to “help ascension”.

Though Hitler might have had some radical and screwed up views of his own as a youth, this would have amounted to nothing without the help he received to do what he did by the mighty people of this world, the bankers, the ammunition producers, and the likes. Hitler was used as a pond to advance those people’s interests. The mighty of the world did this for their own benefit, to make money and get more power (to augment their sphere of influence, to take greater control) over a great chunk of Europe.

The 911 it is claimed, and a lot of evidence supports it, was also a staged event by the mighty of this world, to justify the US to go into Iraq in order to take control over that region and the oil. Both WWII and 911 were staged to promulgate the powerful to become even more powerful. The deeds of the Church, the type of wars they created in the past in the name of religion, are pale in comparison.

It is a well known fact that the might of this world belong to their own private clubs, mainly some kind of Masonic establishments. They are at the highest echelon of those establishments which are steeped in Occult, Kabala, metaphysics and paganism. The lower ranks have no idea what is going on and what is believed at the highest ranks.

Many of the ancient pagan, occult, and warlock rituals incorporated animal or human sacrifice in order to placate and satisfy, and even appease various demigods. These sacrificial rituals with living blood and flesh became steeped with metaphysical purposes to make them even more meaningful, justifiable, and acceptable to the lower ranks not privy to all the occult practices and the ulterior motives they often served. And the powerful learned well how to play with people’s minds to make accept in a positive light the self-enriching and power trips atrocities they commit.

The propagation of videos and various information on internet are not due to 911, but to ever evolving and augmenting role of the internet, and the advancement of technology that supports it.  To claim that it is justifiable for 3000 people to die in 911, and for thousands more to die  in Iraq for us have temporary strong emotions (which for the majority of people were not even as strong as when they get into a really good verbal fight, or when they find themselves at night in a wrong part of the town), or to claim that it had to happen so we can watch some videos on our computers and find a bit more – a very superficial “a bit more” – about Islam, this, besides being self and ego centered, is terribly degrading and unrespectful to the memory if those who died and to their families. And the same goes for WWII.

So the mighty of this world staged a successful human sacrifice on a grand scale to get control and to diminish the population (it is claimed this is one of their goals, to bring the population to only ½ billion) and they moreover successfully manipulated good minds like yours or Adrian’s through metaphysical concepts dispersed to lower echelons and to those they apparently privately refer as “cattle” – the rest of the population, that this is a good thing.

The reality is, no human sacrifice like that is needed for any “ascension”. As the ancient enlightened beings and masters have taught, all you need is to mediate and pray and establish unconditional love in your heart in order to become enlightened.

This forum topic is on is Metaphysics versus Bible’s Christianity. So here is another difference:

 Occult and paganism practice ritual sacrifice of blood and flesh either of animals or even humans. The animals were sacrificed to attune for human low vibrations and to help then “ascent” to higher ones – a cleansing of some sort. The animal ritual sacrifice was also practiced in ancient Jewish temples. However, after the crucification of Jesus, this practice has ceased by itself.

Jesus took the metaphysical load associated with such ritual sacrifice onto himself. He became the sacrificial lamb. Since that time, no more animal or human sacrifice was performed by his followers, instead - symbolically – he offers his own blood and flesh to his disciples and followers in order to ascent. He made it very clear that no blood and flesh of sacrificed  living beings is needed for spiritual ascension.  This is a complete reversal of the occult practices and concepts, and those of the metaphysical philosophy, that in order to ascent there is needed a horrific scarifies of living souls - animal or human, to help others to “ascent” spiritually.

Now, as always, all is needed in order to ascent is to meditate or pray, which are really one and the same thing, and create unconditional love and compassion in one’s heart. Even if initially the unconditional love and compassion are lacking in one’s heart, they will be reestablished through a continuous practice of meditative contemplation of the Source, God.