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« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2008, 03:37:39 »

Hello Baki Hanma,

I remember you stating in another forum a while back that we can get all we want without ever needing to work - You know what I mean, go through the routine of working for like 60 years then retire on a pension. How would you suggest we recieve income to support ourselves if we not have jobs. Can the LOA bring us money without having a job?

"Jobs" are a typically human invention and not normal. They are designed around the typically human way of doing things and the desire for ever greater material ambitions. Of course the way it works is hardly balanced with about 5% of people making 95% of all the money in the system. It is just another system of control.

"Work" also implies there is no other way of living.

The truth is we were not put here to be what amounts to slaves for a few people who crave ever more money and material possessions.

Divine Providence will always provide all our needs if we allow with true Faith.

Consider the words of the great teacher:

Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof. -- Matthew 6:27-34

These are very profound words which say that no one should ever worry about how they will feed or be clothed or what they shall drink. Those that know who they are and have Faith in our inner Abundance, and that while we are here all needs will be taken care of.

All the beauties of nature do not struggle or "work" - they enjoy infinite abundance.

"Seeking the Kingdom of God" is to see and realise within, and then all the things we need will be "added unto us".

Much of humanity is blocking themselves from this truth by believeing that "work" is the source of all needs when it is not. No one came here to "work" for 60 years, retire and die.

There is a chapter in my book entitled "The Human Paradox" which discusses these things at length.

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« Reply #31 on: August 26, 2008, 09:19:43 »

As true as this may be sir, I'm afraid the world doesn't work like that - at least here. We are obligated to work in order to sustain ourselves. We don't need money, its nothing but smelling green paper with deceased presidents posted on it. However, we do need food, clothing and shelter from harsh weather conditions and other outside dangers - all of which requires some form of compensation, usually money - the smelly green stuff.

As far as the LOA - If I were to say, affirm to myself 1000 times a day that my checking account has 1million dollars, and believe it was so in the here and now - would it become so? Not worrying how I would recieve it, but just believing and thinking that I have it right now! Will it come? Will LOA cause a host of events to get me this money? You made a comment earlier about the LOA not "breaking a sweat" over such material possessions like a mercedes, a house or whatever. Is not money a material possession? How can something bring you a car or house that cost an arm and an leg t opay off yet not deliever the aboundnace of cash without working to provide it - or does it?! shocked
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« Reply #32 on: August 26, 2008, 09:28:40 »

Hi All,
I am looking for answers, like a lot of people in these forums, and hence you’ll find out that I do not contribute a lot; but I read a lot.

Everyday, as we progress to what God knows where, I get more confused.  In one of your very recent Newsletters, Adrian, you talked about TAKING ACTION. That’s was fine. That, to me meant that LOA does not work UNLESS one assists it by TAKNG action.

But here you are talking about;
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Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? Therefore take no thought, saying,

To my understanding, this means that our thoughts DO NOT become our reality and hence neither do our ACTIONS. . Now this is very different from what I have read else where; including your very own book. Am I being daft?

Two, I have read so much about the following;-
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"Seeking the Kingdom of God" is to see and realise within…..

Obviously I would like to do just this; who wouldn’t? However, how do I do this? Where
WITHIN do I look?

Lawliets comments above confirms these seemingly "frustrations".

I have a lot of respect for you, Adrian, and your knowledge in regards to these matters. All ask is for simpler explanations that even I would understand.

Peace & Love to All.

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« Reply #33 on: August 26, 2008, 10:32:55 »

Chapter 81: The Truth About Money in the book "Our Ultimate Reality" is an excellent chapter that explains the human construct, the illusion of money.  If you don't have the book then I'm sure Adrian would probably divulge some of the information from that chapter here.   smiley
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« Reply #34 on: August 26, 2008, 10:42:50 »

Hello L Lawliet

As true as this may be sir, I'm afraid the world doesn't work like that - at least here.

That may be true, but should not be. The only reason people believe that is because they have been indoctrinated into the mentality of:

Born - school - university - job - retire after 50 years - grow old and often degenerate - die - go to heaven if Christian - if not then hell

This is what people believe and it comes their reality. It was never ntended to be this way.

I have not worked for anyone for 33 years but I am still here, and have everything I need.

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We are obligated to work in order to sustain ourselves.

And who places that "obligation" upon you?

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We don't need money, its nothing but smelling green paper with deceased presidents posted on it.

90% of the money being used does not even exist. It is all on global computer systems. I will not go in to the Federal Reserve Smiley

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However, we do need food, clothing and shelter from harsh weather conditions and other outside dangers - all of which requires some form of compensation, usually money - the smelly green stuff.

Well the new is that money only appeared fairly late in human history. Our ancestors got along just fine for a couple of million year without it - they must have done otherwise we would not be here.

The truth is people think they need money to buy all the trappings of the material society including the stuff that passes as food.

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As far as the LOA - If I were to say, affirm to myself 1000 times a day that my checking account has 1million dollars, and believe it was so in the here and now - would it become so? Not worrying how I would recieve it, but just believing and thinking that I have it right now! Will it come? Will LOA cause a host of events to get me this money?

Plenty of people have succeeded in doing just that. But you have to really believe it - most people - as you are now - doubt.

But it is wise not to wish for money but rather the specific desire.

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You made a comment earlier about the LOA not "breaking a sweat" over such material possessions like a mercedes, a house or whatever. Is not money a material possession? How can something bring you a car or house that cost an arm and an leg t opay off yet not deliever the aboundnace of cash without working to provide it - or does it?! shocked

This is what most people believe - it is called "doubt" and will guarantee it never happens.

Do you think that the infinite intelligence and power of the Creator of the entire Universe in all spheres of life would struggle to deliver a trinket such as a house, or a mansion, or a castle?

We have the power within us to create an entire Galaxy, or, as Jesus said, move mountains.

There are plenty of people out there who have manifested houses, cars, anything they desired - but they all shared certain characteristics including Faith, Belief and absolute knowing that it is already theirs.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.
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« Reply #35 on: August 26, 2008, 10:59:09 »

Hello Kendar,

Everyday, as we progress to what God knows where, I get more confused.  In one of your very recent Newsletters, Adrian, you talked about TAKING ACTION. That’s was fine. That, to me meant that LOA does not work UNLESS one assists it by TAKNG action.

Action is not absolutely necessary, because Divine Providence places no conditions upon us. However, by taking action in the direction of our wishes we are affirming our connection with that wish, and most importantly providing channels for manifestation.  Houses, cars etc do not fall out of the sky - they arrive through other human beings.

But here you are talking about;
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Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? Therefore take no thought, saying,

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To my understanding, this means that our thoughts DO NOT become our reality and hence neither do our ACTIONS. . Now this is very different from what I have read else where; including your very own book. Am I being daft?

That is not what Jesus meant by "thought". What he meant was by thinking about how to acquire something or where it is going to come from. He is saying why think about what clothes you will wear?  Divine Providence, God knows you have need of clothes and will provide them if we do not block that process through materially oriented thoughts.

Two, I have read so much about the following;-
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"Seeking the Kingdom of God" is to see and realise within…..

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Obviously I would like to do just this; who wouldn’t? However, how do I do this? Where
WITHIN do I look?

"Look" is a metaphor. We must feel the Energy, vibration and absolute presence of God within us and know, beyond doubt that we are God. It is very difficult to describe state in words, but when you achieve it you will know.

Once you arrive and that level of realisation, you will never doubt again, because the creative power of God is working through you, and you know that whatever you wish must manifest - it can do no other.

This is why Jesus in the conext of his "miracles" keeps stating that it is "the Father within him that doesth the works". He also tells us that we will go on to do even greater things. He is telling the truth.

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I have a lot of respect for you, Adrian, and your knowledge in regards to these matters. All ask is for simpler explanations that even I would understand.

I wish I could simplify this for you as well. But words can only go so far before experience must take over.

That said - you can be sure that I am fully aware of these needs, and will be providing the necessary guidance in the future.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

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« Reply #36 on: August 26, 2008, 11:03:37 »

But it is wise not to wish for money but rather the specific desire.

I certainly agree.  Money is just another mechanical means to an end result.  I definitely agree that the details or the mechanics of how things should manifest into our physical reality is not important.  The Universe will always manifest whatever we focus our desires upon regardless of the details such as money.
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« Reply #37 on: August 26, 2008, 15:39:03 »

Hello L Lawliet

As true as this may be sir, I'm afraid the world doesn't work like that - at least here.

That may be true, but should not be. The only reason people believe that is because they have been indoctrinated into the mentality of:

Born - school - university - job - retire after 50 years - grow old and often degenerate - die - go to heaven if Christian - if not then hell

This is what people believe and it comes their reality. It was never ntended to be this way.

I have not worked for anyone for 33 years but I am still here, and have everything I need.

I want to be like you, Adrian grin. Not working yet still having all the aboundance to compensate all your needs. I dont necessarily hate working, being that I am a active person, I do however not like the idea of having to work in order to gain a living. The need for money is more then an illusion for those who have many needs and not type of value to compensate the need. L you made a good example of that by your post here.

I do however see your point in all this Adrian. We should not be forced to work for a living and then retire and degenerate and die. But hey, before she passed my great grandmother was very active for her age down to her last breath. She could not sit down for nothing. She didn't even feel relaxed while sitting down, unless she fell asleep. So being retired and old doesnt mean you will degenerate - as long as you have a motive, a rive to keep going. my old boxing coach was in his 80's back when I was taking boxing in 2003, but you will never have known that by looking at him. I swear we all, even members of his own family (the younger generation of course) thought he was like 40 or 50 - 60 tops if even that!! No way did he look 86 and still in shape and can still pack a punch eve to this day - Ouch, still feeling it too grin




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As far as the LOA - If I were to say, affirm to myself 1000 times a day that my checking account has 1million dollars, and believe it was so in the here and now - would it become so? Not worrying how I would recieve it, but just believing and thinking that I have it right now! Will it come? Will LOA cause a host of events to get me this money?


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Plenty of people have succeeded in doing just that. But you have to really believe it - most people - as you are now - doubt.

But it is wise not to wish for money but rather the specific desire.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.


Really!! I'm going to try this then. I could use a mill -  cheesy
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« Reply #38 on: August 26, 2008, 17:38:07 »

Hello Baki Hanma,

I want to be like you, Adrian grin.

Anyone can be like me - I am nothing special.

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Not working yet still having all the aboundance to compensate all your needs.

It never occurs to me that all my needs will not be fulfilled.

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I dont necessarily hate working, being that I am a active person, I do however not like the idea of having to work in order to gain a living.

Well that is correct. I dedicate a great deal of time to my newsletter, websites, forums, emails etc but to me that is not "work", it is a blessing. But the important point is I still have total freedom in every aspect of my life. And life should be about freedom. "Work" is not freedom - often it is slavery.

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The need for money is more then an illusion for those who have many needs and not type of value to compensate the need. L you made a good example of that by your post here.

I do however see your point in all this Adrian. We should not be forced to work for a living and then retire and degenerate and die. But hey, before she passed my great grandmother was very active for her age down to her last breath. She could not sit down for nothing. She didn't even feel relaxed while sitting down, unless she fell asleep. So being retired and old doesnt mean you will degenerate - as long as you have a motive, a rive to keep going. my old boxing coach was in his 80's back when I was taking boxing in 2003, but you will never have known that by looking at him. I swear we all, even members of his own family (the younger generation of course) thought he was like 40 or 50 - 60 tops if even that!! No way did he look 86 and still in shape and can still pack a punch eve to this day - Ouch, still feeling it too grin

Your grandmother sounds like a wonderful person. It is crucial to stay active but above all to keep the Mind active.

My family tends to be long lived as well - in fact it is a standing family joke that they eventually had to shoot a family member to get the graveyard started Smiley

But there are people in Tibet that are 105 or 110 and still work their land and farms every day, very active in every respect. Money means nothing to them, they just exchange livestock, crops etc.

But the fact still remains that "work" is a human system of control, while making a few powerful families extremely wealthy.

It was the new world order that financed the "equal rights for women" movements of a few decades ago, not because they believed in it, but because they wanted women and out of the house and family for two main reasons:

1. To double taxes received - which incidentally are unconstitutional - no USA citizen can be made to pay tax.

2. To get children in to the control of the school system from a much younger age to indoctrinate them.

Work goes agsinst everything humans should be.

In Love and Light,

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As far as the LOA - If I were to say, affirm to myself 1000 times a day that my checking account has 1million dollars, and believe it was so in the here and now - would it become so? Not worrying how I would recieve it, but just believing and thinking that I have it right now! Will it come? Will LOA cause a host of events to get me this money?


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Plenty of people have succeeded in doing just that. But you have to really believe it - most people - as you are now - doubt.

But it is wise not to wish for money but rather the specific desire.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.


Really!! I'm going to try this then. I could use a mill -  cheesy
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« Reply #39 on: August 27, 2008, 17:52:17 »

You know what... Let me try to understand this clearly so that I don't jump to conclusions like always. So, sir, your litterally stating that we, as in I and you and everyone else, can make money or some form of income to sustain our needs in this day and age - in this society we live in - without the need for employment? Are you saying that if I stopped working right now, LOA will bring me income to pay my bills and my rent each month, car insurance, food, cloth and all, as long as I believe it will?

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We have the power within us to create an entire Galaxy, or, as Jesus said, move mountains.

Sir I must ask you, not really out of interrogation but out of need of understanding. When you make statements like this, are they to be taking literally? Are you using them as a metaphor are do you actually and realistically mean that we can honestly move mountains with our minds - and create physical galaxies like the ones we see when we look up at the stars at night.

You talk of the mental plane a lot. Are these only possible on the mental plane or can they manifest physically? Where in the world would we put another galaxy on this planet grin?
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« Reply #40 on: August 28, 2008, 07:27:47 »

You know what... Let me try to understand this clearly so that I don't jump to conclusions like always. So, sir, your litterally stating that we, as in I and you and everyone else, can make money or some form of income to sustain our needs in this day and age - in this society we live in - without the need for employment? Are you saying that if I stopped working right now, LOA will bring me income to pay my bills and my rent each month, car insurance, food, cloth and all, as long as I believe it will?

I hope so, it is what I am aiming at achieving. I hate working for others - I would rather do for others, as a means for helping one another rather then slave for a fixed income. Once I unlock the secrete of achieving this I will no longer be working for uncle same and will still be living the life of my dreams

Also L, this will not be easy man. It takes complete understanding and knowledge of the LOA to get the biggest things out of it.

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We have the power within us to create an entire Galaxy, or, as Jesus said, move mountains.

Sir I must ask you, not really out of interrogation but out of need of understanding. When you make statements like this, are they to be taking literally? Are you using them as a metaphor are do you actually and realistically mean that we can honestly move mountains with our minds - and create physical galaxies like the ones we see when we look up at the stars at night.

You talk of the mental plane a lot. Are these only possible on the mental plane or can they manifest physically? Where in the world would we put another galaxy on this planet grin?
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Well I can't answere for Adrian but I am lead to believe that this can all manifest physically... Somehow undecided. We lack the ability to use our infinite knowledge and powers as God do because of the life style we live. I don't intend to make my own galaxy or anything but there are other God abilities I wish to utilize and experience.

As for moving mountins with TK.. Hmmm, I can't say where, but a long time ago I remember reading something about this. I think it was a fairy tale, but it stated that these people with these certain abilities of mind over matter must move mountins as a requirement of initiation into their cult. It's a blur where I read this, it was like 9 years ago tongue
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« Reply #41 on: August 28, 2008, 13:06:40 »

Hello Baki Hanma,

Sir I must ask you, not really out of interrogation but out of need of understanding. When you make statements like this, are they to be taking literally? Are you using them as a metaphor are do you actually and realistically mean that we can honestly move mountains with our minds - and create physical galaxies like the ones we see when we look up at the stars at night.

Yes we can, because as I have said before in the context of Telekinesis, a mountain isn't some vast pile of rock, it is part of ourselves, therefore we can move a mountain.  But only with sufficient Faith and Belief. If you do not Believe you can move a mountain, and have the necessary Faith in your own Divine powers then it will not be possible.

Regarding creating galaxies - a human in physical form cannot do this, but as we evolve we gain more God-like powers of creation and greater challenges.


In Love and Light,

Adrian.
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all the things we need will be "added unto us".

This is the key to law of attraction, the key word being "need"

We are so ingrained with the notion of "need" that to trust that we will have the grocery list
of needs provided daily is hard to imagine.

I believe this is where the breakdown is in the understanding of how the universe could possibly provide
all we "need"

I always look to nature to fortify my trust that all will be there for me.

I also do not "work"

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« Reply #43 on: August 28, 2008, 14:06:09 »

Hello Baki Hanma,

Sir I must ask you, not really out of interrogation but out of need of understanding. When you make statements like this, are they to be taking literally? Are you using them as a metaphor are do you actually and realistically mean that we can honestly move mountains with our minds - and create physical galaxies like the ones we see when we look up at the stars at night.

Yes we can, because as I have said before in the context of Telekinesis, a mountain isn't some vast pile of rock, it is part of ourselves, therefore we can move a mountain.  But only with sufficient Faith and Belief. If you do not Believe you can move a mountain, and have the necessary Faith in your own Divine powers then it will not be possible.

Regarding creating galaxies - a human in physical form cannot do this, but as we evolve we gain more God-like powers of creation and greater challenges.


In Love and Light,

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I don't mean to jump off the LOA subject - I'm sure I'll have more questions later, but I have become pretty interested in your response to L's question Adrian.

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Regarding creating galaxies - a human in physical form cannot do this, but as we evolve we gain more God-like powers of creation and greater challenges.

What do you mean exactly by this? In human form? What stage of evolution must we take in order to do this? Just curious is all. I know your probably pretty tired of answere such petty non important questions smiley
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« Reply #44 on: August 28, 2008, 14:34:11 »

Hello Baki Hanma,

What do you mean exactly by this? In human form? What stage of evolution must we take in order to do this? Just curious is all. I know your probably pretty tired of answere such petty non important questions smiley

All questions are important, otherwise they would not be asked.

As to the when - it is very difficult to quantify and "time" does not exist. "At what stage" might be a better question, but will not be happy with the answer though which is: "when we are ready".

There are an infinite number of galaxies and more being created all thetime. God, Source was the "First Cause", and now aspects of the First Cause, as the First Cause are continuing the Creative process.

Creation is a serious business and requires great responsibility which is why we serve such an extensive education on Earth.  For example - you would not take a child out of her or his sandbox and put her or him in charge of a nuclear command centre would you?

By the time we reach that vibration we have aleady proved our worth having attained the necessary wisdom and stability as well as eradicated all physical human negative traits.

Kind rgards,

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