Kriya yoga

[wavepsychic]

Hi Adrian

I understand what you are saying, and in fact perhaps a better word would be "retribution".

Either way one element is lacking - Forgiveness.

And also understanding.

When people look at events that they deem to be "terrible", they are only seeing these events from an extremely limited, temporal perspective. They are oblivious to the greater causes and effects and the true meanings behind these events. Nothing ever happens without reason.

They also see "perpetrators" of these events as being sometimes "evil" and seperate from themselves.

There can be no evil, because everyone and everything is Source, God, and God only knows perfection.

Kind regards,

I fully agree. I still do however want to bring Justice back the way it is supposed to be. Most people believe Justice to be ethical however what they call Justice is something completely different. On a side note I notice that most people believe ONLY what they want to believe. When I talk about diet for example I notice most people don't want to listen and they say things like, "you can't believe everything to read on the internet" but that isn't much different then saying "you can't ignore something just because you don't want to believe it".

Hey Darrell,

While I understand the logical thinker, say nothing if nothing is wrong is right up there with ignorance is bliss, both in my opinion are self imposed states of voluntary stupidity. I was one once myself. It is also the cloak that many children suffer under. If you talk to those that suffered as children, you will find their greatest anger/pain is for those that refused to see the obvious.

I meant to comment on the earlier but I just forgot. It was at my work that if found this expression. One of my bosses, she would always say "I wish you would speak up, If you don't say anything then how are we supposed to know anything is wrong. I was obviously depressed, I was just so tired of working that job, I wanted to change departments and I even told them & then didn't want me to move. I also do not agree with the "ignorance is bliss". If one is so Content then why is he or she in a state of oblivion? I see a lot of positive energy from Melody but perhaps she needs to make that positivity known to more people on here.

[melody]

This forum is starting to feel to me like an all boys club, where a woman is perceived as either “bitching”, or too “logical” if she states something that is either not too dumb or outside of the general male discussion but still has some weight to it. I perceive that even Julia, whom you accept because she is generally in line with what the core male participants want to discuss here (in line with the party line) has a hard time fitting in.

A man would have never been told in this forum to show any positive energy, even if he were to be stating some obvious stupidities.

I know, Wavepsychic, that you meant this comment as positive, and I very much appreciate that you see a lot of positive energy in me. 

But this comment is one of the subtle methods (an unconscious one) how a woman is being molded to fit into the male imagination of how she should be so it would be pleasing to men. This method is also used by corporations (for men and women) to mold them into corporate robots.

[Adrian]

Dear Melody,

I would not seek to change your perceptions, but I certainly do not share them.

I do not think that gender per se has anything to do with the quality of the discussions here, but rather differing perspectives on some subjects in particular - such as religion for example - which is as it should be in a forum, otherwise there would be no discussion.

I would be interested to hear Julia's feelings on your observations, since, as a male, mine might be perceived as biased

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

[zensunni7]

Good day everyone,

Everyone here has shared so well from their hearts on this thread, it is amazing the revelation of higher energy expressed.

Wavepsychic,
I agree - if there is a problem, it cannot be remedied if no-one is aware. You also hit it on the head, only highlighting  the problems creates that atmosphere of grey days for everyone in that environment. Expressing the positive creates a work place where many of the common problems would just never occur.
Many positive statements are followed by the word - BUT. " Yes, that is a great idea - BUT.
Melody does offer enormous insights on this forum. Yet I do challenge the often antagonistic way the Bible is always the center point of discussion and conflict. Her insight to men and womens view of pain is eye opening to me.

I also agree with Adrian - evil does exist. Only degrees of inner pain and imbalance in those that cause pain to others. All are a cry for something from within the person.
It does not however dictate I should just let them do these things to me or others if I can prevent it. Hitting the man for me was the only alternative left to me to stop the action from taking place.
I guess you have to ' be there ' to know.
Justice has become systematized processed retribution, revenge by lawyer assassination. I suppose to find true justice - it must be what is in your own heart, what you feel about a person or situation. How you will respond to them.

Forgiveness is paramount in healing, couldn't agree with Adrian more. For me personally forgiving others was quite easy, sometimes it was a clearing of the air between us, other times it was walking away totally in the knowledge that association would only recreate the same circumstance, it is just to avoid the re-creation of past harm.
Self forgiveness is the essential element in healing, not just for wrongs one may have committed. I needed to forgive myself for the way I treated myself. To see myself as I am, not the way others needed to see me to justify their actions.

All having been said - I wish all well here with a pure heart.

Darrell

[zensunni7]

The battle of the sexes has never served anyone - but those that profit from it, and be assured - peace will not be allowed, there is too much money in it.

Pigeon holing is hardly a feminine concern. Watched TV lately? Men cannot open a ketchup bottle without a woman telling him how, men are being projected as little boys in men's bodies and incapable of functioning without the guidance of a woman. It is the complete reversal of the fifties portrayal of women.
In the eighties I worked for womens rights, but would not even think of doing so now.

But this is the problem of those that will not think for themselves. In many ' spiritual ' forums I left, I did so because they are so heavily female dominated, again, if you do not agree with them, your are a misguided soul in need of getting in touch with your feminine side.
I proved this to myself on the Secrets Powerful Intentions forums. I created two accounts, one male - another female. My posts said the same things in essence and I later revealed what I was doing - talk about some pissed off women.

I think this forum has done an outstanding job keeping this element out of its discussions. Adrian has stated to me that some things I post - though seeming positive - are not in essence. He was also correct.
Men and women are different, yet here we talk a lot of being ONE, without distinction of gender. I say it again, this forum has been a refreshing breeze of  life because of the absence of gender profiling.

Allow me to also say  - if I have inadvertently offended anyone on this forum or made them feel less than the great Souls they are - I apologize.

Darrell

[juliainkc]

Hello Everyone participating in yet another expanding discussion, ,

I am enjoying the wonderful expressions here. This is honest communication at its Highest. Talker. Beautifully stated. Thank you for sharing. Your Essence is Heartfelt. As is with all others here.

Forgive in advance, I feel it flowing...

Posted on: Yesterday at 11:13:10Posted by: melody  
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Hello all,

I guess I looked at “transmuting” from a women’s point of view. With women often when something bugs them, they talk about it constantly trying to resolve it through the talking and the feedback they receive. As soon as the problem has been successfully resolved, they either stop talking about it (and move to the next issue  ) or mention it only occasionally.

Shall we look at this from an earthly perspective and move beyond this to an all encompassing Knowing?

As a projection of being 'woman' or a feminine aspect in this earthly projection, I 'see' this 'point of view'. One aspect of an all encompassing Energy of One. I spent my 'early' twenties and on into my thirties observing and participating from this angle with my 'girlfriends' or sisters over many glasses of wine and sometimes 'dirty' martinis. You know, Loose Lips sink Ships.

I think we could take a look at what we would consider successfully resolved. As in not repeating the behavior. That's what defines a resurrection.

I began to sense an imbalance in this way of perceiving by stepping back and listening and not so much participating in the discussions. I 'learned' alot. Why? I asked to be shown to see with the Eyes of Knowing and Being One with My God.

The doors then opened to my being openly exposed to aspects of male energy. The male energies were also wanting the 'same things' (complete, acceptance) but expressed in a different way. No one was communicating Honestly.

I was being made aware of Honest Communication and I will say, that if one is considered as desirable in this picture based on the physical aspects, it translates into sexual desire, one can then decide if this is what one desires by expressing it to another. Sift and Sort. Discern the Authenticity, the authentic gold here. It is here if we are willing to be it.

Hence my statements shared with Darrell in the 'Childcare' thread in this forum. I once held an imbalanced view. I found that men did not wish to be 'friends' with me. They wanted to fuck. This was their way of expressing Love as they knew it. Is it just men? No. They are feeding off collective energies. This is what has been defined in the Collective Ego Consciousness as Male. That's just what they are suppose to do. They're men. Well, bullshit! Women like to play with their bodies also. We tend to use our bodies as weapons. Just look at what 'advertising' is being used to sell. Has anyone heard the term, 'Sex Sells'?

We stop talking about it because we do not know how to honestly communicate. We just put it on the shelf however, it permeates in our expressions if we are out of touch with the cause of these 'issues'.

What I have found, is that I being naturally what could be defined in this reality, a 'Wild Woman Nature', I can only relate to my mate or Wild Man Nature. Hence the underlying sense of acceptance. It only comes from acceptance as One with One in Spirit, Mind and then Body.

I was desiring my male aspects to join and balance. It came. Pardon the expression.

Now I see this is different with men. They only start talking about a problem once they resolve it. And then men make it into an experience.

That' just it. It isn't different with 'men'. Just 'stated' differently. Men hear what a woman is expressing. They have been given a nother approach. Men come along side by side and that is what trips women up. We are too busy looking at the outer 'hunky' shell and going on all sorts of fantasies while 'playing' it cool. Men do the same thing. Then 'Men' are upfront and in your face and believe me they are listening. I know this well. Why? Because my Inner Radar is what translates or transforms this 'information'. That's what anyone can connect to. We as 'women' are 'men' in mirroring. It looks the opposite. Look into a mirror. Your right is on the left and vice versa. Stop looking at the mirror and step through it. You will 'see' it completely from this view. Complete.

The 'Secret' which it isn't is in bringing it all together into one place. Completion. We have heard it said, in books, in songs and movies and all forms of expressing the Universal 'Desire' to be One with our One.

I can relate to the 'male energy aspects' because I am all encompassing as I am attuned to my Source of All. We are One and the Same. Lay aside the male and female separated aspects and enjoy the Union of being One. One breath in motion.

Does this mean we are to have an orgy? No. Purity is defined in this essence. The 'door' narrows. The menu becomes refined naturally. Why? Because you know what you desire and it aligns in Spirit, Mind and Body.

It means aligning with the One Energy. You Know because only One Who Knows as You Know can Align with the Energy. And then All are United within this Energy. There is no competion. It doesn't exist among other 'feminine or male' aspects of OneSelf. It is mutual Respect, Honor and Divine Sexing of All Attributes (that is creation).

In a Course In Miracles, it is called the Holy Union. It takes place with One and then it flows into All expressions. Not a hand over here, foot over there. That's ego mind at work. Bring it All into One. Everything becomes Clear or Clarity. You stand looking straight into the Eyes of Love, because that is the Energy you are Projecting from. Searching ceases. Does this help?

It is good to keep these differences in perspective.

I have found it is 'good' to remove the barriers (differences) to be able to connect to Love without conditions. You smoke? You drink? You eat meat? You had plastic surgery to enlarge whatever part of you that you 'see' lacking? You believe what!? And on and on it goes. The more we give weight to this thinking we remain attached to the physical aspects. Remove the physical first. Listen and be Led and then you will naturally be Aligned and Know 'what to do' in every moment. That is what Jesus meant when he stated that we should remove the 'physical' blocks to our True Authentic Nature. What you eat, does not do anything to you unless you allow your body to be the boss. It is the Mind that tells the body what to experience. Does this mean you will continue to do these things? Choice. You are not 'addicted' to anything. You are a powerful Being that makes choices based on the experience you desire in your Mind to have. You do not have 'needs'.

This is what can allow ones Mind to create the experience of Soul Spirit, Mind Body. Sex? Yes. As an expression of an experience of bringing (gathering oneself into One) the all encompassing Alignment into One. Not OOh Baby I feel good type of empty firecracker explosion.

Choose the Deep Fire that never extinguishes. As a Buddhist Monk once shared, "I am coming all the time." Well said my Brother. Can you handle this? Ask yourself what it is you are truly seeking to know.

Why Seek when It is Right here, Right Now. We will Know when we are willing to be Honest.

Darrell, Yes. It is for the value of expressing what many hide within in the Silent refusal to be Known. We speak from the position of being kept Open by our Awakened State via painful at the 'time'. We never went to sleep. I love you Darrel for your Childlike Honesty. That is why I hear you.

Women? Men? We are all these things within One Energy Source of All Origin. Yes. There has been an imbalance but it is being Aligned by the Beings who 'see' beyond this earthyly dimension. That is what is streaming though here.

Melody, I am accepted by Adrian, Darrel and Talker and Baki and 'other' male energies because I am One with them. They know well, that Julia speaks her own mind and I have never been nor ever will be a conformist to anyone or anything. I can disagree only with the understanding that I have yet to align as they in this particular aspect.

I am One with these my 'Brothers' and they are One with me as their 'Sister. We are One and the same. This is true for all. It's only when we awaken to this understanding.

Love WithIn Divine Spirit,

Julia






 

[zensunni7]

Just a note

In the previous post , where I said I agreed with Adrian regarding evil.
I meant to state I agree that evil does NOT exist.

Amazing how one word can alter the energies intent.

Darrell

[zensunni7]

Return to center.

This thread was intended to discuss Krya Yoga and its benefits, as the forum itself is to discuss our journey to Ultimate Reality, with the great aid of Adrian's book.
I apologize for getting off subject and on a bit if a tangent about children. But all discussions can do so, yet it produced an interesting discussion none the less.

I feel the point that I was trying to impress within all those words was that in my life I used these practices to resolve my real time situations and to find my way through the darker times. Spiritual arts and abilities were invaluable tools for raising a family and becoming the best man I could be in life.
The most profound change within myself was not in the circumstances I was in, but the way in which I responded to them. I was changed from a very angry young man into a man with a calm mind  without the clouded vision of my e-motions from my past.
Meditation and the many Yoga arts I practiced became my therapy - if you will.
I think they aided me much faster and more efficiently than traditional psychology's could have, as I studied them also. I do not discount their value to some, it was just not resonating for myself.

Adrian's " Ultimate Reality " does a grand job of blending the traditional spiritual with the new sciences into a very easy read and easier application into your life. I wish it had been around when I searching in the damp dark basements of library's.

I heard alot in meditation class that people did not have the time for these practices, and they kept asking for a more condensed version, a metaphorical ' pill ' of knowledge, a one night course that would allow them to be enlightened in one session of class. Sorry - does not exist. We make time for all sorts of things in our life, it boils down to how important enlightenment and peace are to you.

Krya Yoga is an outstanding practice for optimum energy alignment, as is Raja and Imperial Yoga. These are styles I refer to as ' old school ' practices, as they date back to Yoga's origins. They also merge very well with newer insights such as Adrian's works.
My heart goes out to those just beginning their journey into Self. The information is so vast and so diluted today. Finding your way to this forum and Adrian's work is a sure sign your on the right path.
There are so many trainers, coaches, gurus, and teachers out there. Yet in the end we are our best guru. Do the practices you find interesting, feel them and trust what you feel. All the knowledge in the world does not amount to much until you open your feelings.
I would also ask that not approach your journey from a point of ' fixing ' your broken self, but from the view of yourself that regardless of your history, you are quite well and these practices are but enhancing an already complete Human Being, making you larger than before you started them, just connecting to your creating Source because you want to, you know it is best to be there. It just feels good to be there.

WithIn Love

Darrell

[wavepsychic]

Hello Melody and Julia

Melody I do not think that any of the other guys or myself were being unfair to you and I am sorry you feel that way. It isn't perhaps because you are a girl, but maybe you are taking religion to personally. It seems that the imbalance starts when there is a disagreement between religion and philosophy. You shouldn't consider yourself as the religion. I of course could be wrong here, its been a few days since I've been to this forum.

Julia perhaps you got it better, I enjoyed your post. They are almost always to long, for real guys I am a slow reader! but its OK, Time is an illusion anyway. It is true though, as much as I love being a male, our true self IS a perfect neutralized balance of male & female energies. I can not remember my past life but I think it could have been a girl. I was very feminine when I was young. I have something to ask you Julia.

What you eat, does not do anything to you unless you allow your body to be the boss.

I understand the you can mentally be immune to infections, viruses, poisonous plants & Venomous creatures however what you eat has a profound influence over your health. How you think and feel on the inside influence your dietary choices. Yes by being optimistic you can live longer with more vitality then you other wise would but if you eat beef as an exercise in Cruelty you will die of a heart attack. There is only so much positive thinking can do without positive action.

Thank you

[juliainkc]

Good Morning Wave,

Posted by: wavepsychic

Julia perhaps you got it better, I enjoyed your post. They are almost always to long, for real guys I am a slow reader! but its OK,

I appreciate your honesty Wave and thank you for sharing a wonderful laugh. I come into the forums without the intentions of writing anything. I just show up, walk around the room and share only when the Energy is moving me. I have no sense of length, it ends when I feel it ending. It's kind of like that.

There is a saying though that 'men' speak 50 words a day and a 'woman' 50,000, or something like that. I wonder if this is another conditioned idea passing through!

I have something to ask you Julia.


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What you eat, does not do anything to you unless you allow your body to be the boss.

I understand the you can mentally be immune to infections, viruses, poisonous plants & Venomous creatures however what you eat has a profound influence over your health.

How you think and feel on the inside influence your dietary choices. Yes by being optimistic you can live longer with more vitality then you other wise would but if you eat beef as an exercise in Cruelty you will die of a heart attack. There is only so much positive thinking can do without positive action.

Thank you

Ahh Wave. Take a rest, I feel this is flowing in response to your question that you have asked. You are receiving as I am.


Actually, how you think and feel on the inside influences every experience of one's experience until one open's the tap contained within all, to one's Higher Self which is always in constant contact for ones well-being, thrugh our connection with Source and remains untouched by the physical aspects of this experience. We do gain the experience being here but our Higher Self can never be impure or defiled by our earthly experience. We are formless Spirit without measure or conditions. This is our Authentic Self.

In the 'doing' of all these things, Ask, Is this ego led or Spirit led action?

Do you have the deep abiding peace that only comes from Being in Spirit who is always connected to Source or are you struggling and wrestling with these things (resisting by not allowing) which comes from the ego mind?

Peace is a very 'good' indicator of where your Being is based or leading from in the momentary experience you are having. Peace as in unmoved by anything appearing in the outside picture because you trust in the Source which is in each and every one and by this trust, allow each and every one to experience their own unfolding or dis-covery of Source within as you would desire for yourself.

By Mutual Agreement, Mutual Respect. I will allow myself the freedom to choose and accept my experience choices and expand or deepen from them as I would also allow (give) you the same 'treatment'. It seems to 'work' for me.

We can see that many focus on the actions of others and disregard the Inner intentions. We do not know what 'motivates' another. We can only discern our own intentions. God or Source looks or is focused (centered) in the heart, 'man' focuses on the outer.

I have been allowed to witness these things throughout my entire earthly experience so far because I have been given the opportunity to walk many places on this earth in different cultures from an early and impressionable age, and all eating, dressing, clothing, cultural differences aside, everyone wants the same thing. Love, acceptance without judgements or conditions. To have their experience in Love expressing joy based on complete trust. Peace or Being Still. No crazy all over the place energy or emotions.

I have been allowed to share love with ones from a fair portion of this planet. Even when we did not speak the 'same dialect'. Love knows no bounds. A hug, a smile creates the same energy anywhere on this planet.

How can I be a Light if I reject anyone based on outer circumstances, thoughts, opinions or views? Am I creating based on my own 'partial judgements' of another and projecting this which creates drama, arguments and dis-ease and as we can see war, and death. Not open to Love based. Closed to Loved based.


When one follows the prompt or leading of their Higher Self, all these things take care of themselves. You are naturally led to follow the Higher experience. It's a given, an allowance, your Rightful Inheritance.

I am in the place now as I view my life experience from this Now moment that I will share this with you Wave, what is shown to me.


Unconditional Love is Open Heart, Open Mind, Open Hands. I call it travelling Light.


I have a very deep Trust and Peace, knowing that All is Well. Source is taking care of all the details in my life. Can I trust the same for you? Yes I can. The very same Source that leads me, leads all. Source is in all.


I've come to a place where I Now trust in what I cannot 'see' with my earthly eyes. It is very freeing. No worry, no fuss, no muss. Too much 'work'. InJoy the differences.

I know, it happened again but there again, when it flows, it flows and I trust this was meant for someone here as well as myself, coming from an unbounded Love for you Wave and every single one.


Adrian's newsletter was excellent yet again this morning. Thank you Adrian. I wish to share something that I was made aware of as I read this newsletter based on the parable of the two sons.

It begins with The Father asking. Our 'questions' are Divinely a part of our experience here. As in I and my Father are One, in desire. It's these Divine 'prompts' that lets one know they have a choice in how they will respond to the question. Your Inner Sensor, your Higher Authentic Self or your ego self. Whose leading?  Whom are we listening to?

Enough for now. Thank you in advance my beloved friend for allowing Julia to show up and be a vessel here.


InJoy being Wave, Love to you and All WithIn Divine Spirit,


Julia

[Sethg]

Julia

"There is a saying though that 'men' speak 50 words a day and a 'woman' 50,000, or something like that. I wonder if this is another conditioned idea passing through!"

I would say so after reading this thread 

"Actually, how you think and feel on the inside influences every experience of one's experience until one open's the tap contained within all, to one's Higher Self which is always in constant contact for ones well-being, thrugh our connection with Source and remains untouched by the physical aspects of this experience. We do gain the experience being here but our Higher Self can never be impure or defiled by our earthly experience. We are formless Spirit without measure or conditions. This is our Authentic Self.

In the 'doing' of all these things, Ask, Is this ego led or Spirit led action?

Do you have the deep abiding peace that only comes from Being in Spirit who is always connected to Source or are you struggling and wrestling with these things (resisting by not allowing) which comes from the ego mind?

Peace is a very 'good' indicator of where your Being is based or leading from in the momentary experience you are having. Peace as in unmoved by anything appearing in the outside picture because you trust in the Source which is in each and every one and by this trust, allow each and every one to experience their own unfolding or dis-covery of Source within as you would desire for yourself.

By Mutual Agreement, Mutual Respect. I will allow myself the freedom to choose and accept my experience choices and expand or deepen from them as I would also allow (give) you the same 'treatment'. It seems to 'work' for me.


We can see that many focus on the actions of others and disregard the Inner intentions. We do not know what 'motivates' another. We can only discern our own intentions. God or Source looks or is focused (centered) in the heart, 'man' focuses on the outer."

That was beautiful! How can you add anything to that.

"Unconditional Love is Open Heart, Open Mind, Open Hands. I call it travelling Light.wink


I have a very deep Trust and Peace, knowing that All is Well. Source is taking care of all the details in my life. Can I trust the same for you? Yes I can. The very same Source that leads me, leads all. Source is in all.


I've come to a place where I Now trust in what I cannot 'see' with my earthly eyes. It is very freeing. No worry, no fuss, no muss. Too much 'work'. InJoy the differences.

I know, it happened again but there again, when it flows, it flows and I trust this was meant for someone here as well as myself, coming from an unbounded Love for you Wave and every single one."

What are you doing later? Oops! That was my guy brain. Must have been thinking back to a previous reply of yours 

A very "male" reply. Succinct and to the point. Ok so I feel playful this morning

(Still can't figure out the quote thing everyone does. When I hit insert quote I get the whole reply.)

Thanks Julia for your in-sight and wisdom.

With respect
Seth

 

[juliainkc]

Hi Seth,

Thank you for your wonderful thoughts and great sense of humor!!

I truly appreciate and InJoy you. Play away...

The answer to the quote box question was answered in the Garden of Eden post by Adrian, myself and then with a wonderful how to example by Ew1g. Hope I spelled that right.

Sounds like the way I file...

Love In Divine Spirit,

Julia

[wavepsychic]

Hi Julia

I agree with everything you said, I really do but I do not think you answered my question. If you eat god in the form of plants and animals that is bad karma, bad for your health, & lowers Vitality. I understand that having faith in the creator that your life will be guided. I however want to point out that your body is not the boss but it needs love. Its one thing to say you love your body, its another to put things into it that doesn't belong there because that isn't very respectful. Eating the wrong things will cause your health to fade. Sure being one with the creator is healthy but you still needs to show you are a Evolved person.

I do not know what you eat, and I am not telling you what to eat. I am just saying that just believing you're healthy & doing unhealthy things isn't going to make you healthy. I NEVER tell people what to eat unless they tell me they want to lose weight & ask for advice. Yet everywhere I go when people find out that I am a Vegetarian (Vegan a lot of the time) they tell me how I am wrong & unhealthy! Without me saying anything other then "I am a Vegetarian". I never tell them its unethical to eat the way they eat, never tell them the way they are feeding there children is wrong, never tell them about the health risks with eating dead animals, yet they treat me like I am some kind of terrorist, trying to get me to change my ways because I am somehow wrong! People erroneously say things like, how do you get any iron, or where do you get your protein from, or you need meat protein because of the polyotides in them or something like that. None of these people ever even tried to be a Vegetarian to see how it feels. I do not believe they have the right to have an opinion in that case. I know I shouldn't rant on like this I have enough Fortitude and Stamina to resist people. I just don't want Julia to think that belief alone will give perfect health without acting on the beliefs.

[Adrian]

Hello Wavepsychic,

The Mind ultimately has total dominion over the body. For example, if someone contracts a serious or even fatal disease due to abuse of their physical body - and this is happening to hundreds of millions of people - the Mind can still restore total health. The reason is this - all we ever need to do is to realise the Perfect Image that God holds of us and it shall be so.

However - and you are absolutely correct - we should not abuse our body in the first place. Our body is a "temple of God" while in physical incarnation, and it should be respected - not worshipped though - nothing and no one should ever be worshipped including God.

I read an article very recently where a meat eater was doing their best to rationalise eating meat on the pre-text that the hominids of a million years ago ate meat and survived.

While this might be true, our ancient ancestors lived to the age of 25 on average, and also did not abuse their body in other ways - the fight for survival is survival of the fittest, so the long-term effects of eating flesh would never be experienced.

If we go back much further to the first identifiable ancestors modern humans, you find they are pure plant eaters - nuts, berries and in particular roots. We were originally "designed" as Vegans.

Our ancestors later fell in to eating animals, but this is not evolution it is involution.

Our task is to evolve - this is why we are here. Part of that evolution is to recognise the sanctity and Oneness of All Life, and to evolve back to our true diet from the path on to which we once strayed.

The serious diseases that arise from eating animal based products, including dairy, or really a learning tool towards the ultimate realisation of who we really are.

Often switching from meat and dairy products to pure Vegan can be very difficult, but those that achieve have achieved a great step forward. All of the Enlightened teachers in history say that. Even the religions say the same, but people choose to ignore it.

Genesis 1.29: God said, "Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed, which is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree, which bears fruit yielding seed. It will be your food.

Genesis 9.4: But flesh with its life, its blood, you shall not eat.

Acts 15.29: That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Isaiah 66.3: He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man.

And there are many other such biblical references. In addition we find similar references in many other religions and cultures; for example:

To avoid causing terror to living beings, let the disciple refrain from eating meat. . . the food of the wise is that which is consumed by the holy men; it does not consist of meat. - -Buddha, from the Dhammapada

He who, seeking his own happiness, punishes or kills beings who also long for happiness, will not find happiness after death." -- Dhammapada

Because he has pity on every living creature, therefore a man is called 'holy.' -- Dhammapada

If one has a strong desire for meat, he may make an animal out of clarified butter, or one of flour, and eat that. But let him never seek to destroy a living  being. -- Manusmriti 5.37.174

As long as human society continues to allow cows to be regularly killed in slaughterhouses, there cannot be any question of peace and prosperity.  -- A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be measured by the way in which its animals are treated. -- Mahatma Gandhi

Whoever is kind to the lesser creatures is kind to himself. -- Prophet Mohammed

There is not an animal on the earth, nor a flying creature flying on two wings, but they are peoples like unto you. -- Koran, surah 6, verse 38

But to hunt...is forbidden you, so long as ye are on the pilgrimage. Be mindful of your duty to Allah, unto Whom you will all be gathered. -Koran, surah 5, verse 96

Mohammed taught the sanctity of all life, even the smallest forms of life, probably to a greater extent than any other orthodox religion. Contrast that with Islam of today.

I think it is true to say that most followers of religions today do not practice and live their religions, they simply pay lip service to them, taking the parts that suit their life style and discarding the rest, believing it will still be sufficient to be awarded their "ticket in to Heaven"

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

[wavepsychic]

Thank you Adrian, I completely believe you on everything you said. I only wish that I could be a good speaker & say these things when people get mad that I simply exist as a Vegan. There is yet something I do not get.

The reason is this - all we ever need to do is to realise the Perfect Image that God holds of us and it shall be so.

I still do not understand what this means! What is the image that the source holds of me? Is it different then then one I imagine when I do my Meditations? I say I have faith, I believe that the source will give me everything I need, I try not to think Negatively but I still don't have a full head of hair! At some point I have to say "OK this isn't working, what am I going to do". What do I need to do to get the source to think of me with all my hair? Please it is so important to me, I have been trying for 4 years to do this with spiritual power and nothing!