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« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2008, 18:08:58 »

Hello Wavepsychic,

Adrian you have been taking a lot of time recently to reply to me & of course others. I want to say thank you because your replies mean a lot to me.

My pleasure - it is what I am here for.


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In that case do you mean to tell us that if we use our own consciousness to feel a current of energy (Vibration, warmth, feeling chakra's) moving through our body even while we do every day things, it is of more benefit then exercising?

Well physical exercise involves physical forms of Energy, i.e that which would normally measures in calories etc. But this only relates to stamina etc.

The Energy we are concerned with is non-physical and at a much higher vibration, and therefore cannot be influenced by physical means - this includes the Chakras.

Of course physical exercise can be used as a tool to guide Energy using the Mind, and this is what Tai Chi for example is all about.

We can also "inhale" or absorb Universal Energy which can then be directed towards physical ends, but that again is a different matter.

At the final analysis however Mind has total and ultimate dominion over our entire experiential reality, and therefore Mind alone can achieve anything at all.

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« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2008, 00:43:22 »

Dear one and all,

Beautifully said Adrian,
Thank you so much..

WithIn Love
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« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2008, 19:24:00 »

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We can also "inhale" or absorb Universal Energy which can then be directed towards physical ends, but that again is a different matter.

Are you saying that is how you become a Breatharian?
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« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2008, 09:38:00 »

Greetings all,

Just sharing here.
I am 56 years now, and began Yoga and meditation in my twenties and have remained disciplined at it. My point is this.
When I began I ate like I was taught - three meals per day, with snacking in between as most do. I was overweight and suffered from the usual malady's of overeating and junk food consumption.
I now, and for most of the last thirty years eaten one meal per day and only when I am hungry. I have often gone days without eating at all. I am criticized often for this by family and friends because they feel it is about staying thin, and unhealthy. It is unhealthy to just not eat to maintain a thin frame, but not if you receive your energy through the arts of meditation and Yoga, or other forms of energy work.

The more I meditated and incorporated Yoga into my daily actions and movements, the less hungry I was, and the more energized I felt. At the peak of raising my five children, then I was sleeping four hours per day and waking fully rested and energized. I would also fall asleep repeating a mantra.
Most people that take Yoga classes and meditate do so as a separate activity form their daily life, they ' go to Yoga ' class and then walk out the door and leave the Yoga there, so to speak.
As you incorporate these arts into your daily life, they become a part of you and the way you move through life. I painted houses when I was raising the kids, and spent conscious thought while working to make this knowledge a part of me. I would focus on how I was breathing, how my arms and legs were moving and readjusted my motion to be more fluid and less strenuous on my body.
" Wax on wax off - grasshopper "
This is Zen I feel, doing a spiritual energy practice without thinking of it, as who you are, not what you do on Wednesday and Friday. Like church goers - do you go to church on Sunday and Wed. or are you religious 24/7?


I am not a ' Breatharian ' as your defining it, living ONLY off energy, but I can see the Human race evolving to this especially with food being so untrustworthy and getting more so as we enter this new era. It also would resolve an enormous problem for space travel and universal travel.
Actually I have always been curious as to what would happen to my digestive organs if I stopped eating food. Most family gathering are food oriented also, and I take enough crap about not eating now, I can only imagine the flack if I just stopped, but to be honest I have been investigating it for some time now.
I have fasted for up to thirty days in the past, and it is amazing what your body gets rid of! Colon cancer kills more men than any disease. It is because at three meals a day and snacking in between, your digestive tract never purges its toxins completely and it becomes a toxic waste dump in you.
We are designed to rejuvenate our physical form, but we rarely get to that point because our bodies spend so much time in digestion, repair, and damage control, fighting toxins and damage done by our lifestyles.
If we do not incorporate our practices into who we are, we cheat ourselves of the benefits of this knowledge. Like taking a computer course and never buying a computer.

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« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2008, 21:17:32 »

Hello Darrell

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I am 56 years now, and began Yoga and meditation in my twenties and have remained disciplined at it.

You Possess much Piety, you are truly a role model for all. As far as the other stuff, I've heard it before on another post. I am glad you have evolved and you are sharing your Wisdom.

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I was sleeping four hours per day and waking fully rested and energized.

The food we eat wears our bodies out & we need sleep to make up for it.

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I would focus on how I was breathing, how my arms and legs were moving and readjusted my motion to be more fluid and less strenuous on my body.
" Wax on wax off

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This is Zen I feel, doing a spiritual energy practice without thinking of it, as who you are, not what you do on Wednesday and Friday. Like church goers - do you go to church on Sunday and Wed. or are you religious 24/7?

Hell No, I am not Religious. I am Spiritual 24/7!

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I am not a ' Breatharian ' as your defining it, living ONLY off energy, but I can see the Human race evolving to this especially with food being so untrustworthy and getting more so as we enter this new era. It also would resolve an enormous problem for space travel and universal travel.

Funny you should say that. They say the so called "Grays" don't eat food. I don't like calling them "Grays" because that sounds racist to me. I just don't have many other names for them where people would know who I am talking about.

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Actually I have always been curious as to what would happen to my digestive organs if I stopped eating food.

I have heard they have other things to do. Perhaps something with air. Maybe convert the life force that flows thought those cells into things we need. I am intending to be a Fruititairan, then breatharian when I feel it is time.

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Colon cancer kills more men than any disease.

It is the second! Heart Disease kills way more. People have no compassion & eat torchered animals! Think about some of the most hateful men in the world. Dick Chaney & Osoma Bin Ladin, they have no compassion no love. Look at there hearts now!

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We are designed to rejuvenate our physical form, but we rarely get to that point because our bodies spend so much time in digestion, repair, and damage control, fighting toxins and damage done by our lifestyles.
If we do not incorporate our practices into who we are, we cheat ourselves of the benefits of this knowledge. Like taking a computer course and never buying a computer.

I agree.
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« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2008, 18:03:01 »

Hello Wavepsychic,

I stand bowed and hands folded in honor of spirit.

WithIn Love
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« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2008, 10:52:06 »

Greetings to All,

We state here so often that we are truly energy Beings, walking about in organic forms. This is true even for the die hard skeptic. Science is now showing us beyond doubt that is what we truly are.
Energy is our life sustenance, although we eat food, we seek only energy from all we ingest, the rest is waste. Yet we seem to have great difficulty in moving into this though frame. I like food, it tastes good, makes me full and somehow happy.
But I also know that meditation - Yoga, and other arts of Human fruition have brought me greater happiness than any food I have eaten.
It has provided for me a great gift, and that was the gift of being freed from energy obtaining from other in my life via my relationships, to become whole unto myself and not needing to engage in agendas that would feed me - so to speak.

Close scrutiny of extreme behaviors reveals a condition of energy starvation in the person doing them. Starvation from lack of interaction or from ingesting toxic energy's leaving them feeling sustained yet ill, as one eating scraps from the streets.
Spiritual practices have become so prevalent in the last 100 years or so to provide for us the true source of life we desire and require. Meditator's find themselves less physically hungry, eating less and less often and feeling more healthy and energized
than any other time in their lives.
Conflicts in life can also be related directly to this condition of depleted energies and toxic energy in us. Relationships, sexual habits, most behavior is directly related to the acquisition of energy. Love being the most powerful and pure food for the Soul.
As we mature as a race into spiritual understandings of these needs and apply spiritual practices as pragmatic way to address these issues, we will see peace overtake the many forms of conflict and criminal activities subside in our world.
The world is in upheaval over ' energy ' sources and resources, this is a direct reflection of what is occuring within the individual people on this planet. Within countries and relationships - it is the same.

WithIn Love
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« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2008, 18:24:48 »

Dear Darrell,

Thank you very much once again for such words of Wisdom and Truth.

I can definitely say that a great many afflictions of the human condition are directly attributable to Energy depletion or imbalances - very frequently originating in the Chakras.

No amount of food can ever resolve these issues.

Some foods can make these issues worse. Refined white sugar for example consists of "empty calories", so not only does refined sugar not contain Energy, it actually requires Energy to process it.

Eating and digesting meat, notwithstanding all the other issues requires considerable Energy, simply because the human digestive system is not designed to process meat. Colon and other cancers of the digestive system are directly attributable to failing to process meat - you will never, ever hear of a vegan or vegetarian contracting these digestive tract diseases, or diabetes or a host of other food related ailments.

To those who would seek to live on Energy alone I would wish you well, but also make it abundantly clear that as organic creatures we have been designed in this form to derive Energy from organic materials, and there is nothing intrinsically wrong with doing so.

You will find that all Enlightened Masters of the past ate organic food, but appropriately of course.

As Darrell rightly implies, all of the Energy issues in the world today, in one form or another represent a real paradox.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.
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« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2008, 20:02:51 »

Hello Darrell and Adrian.

You are most wise Darrell in stating that people are starving. People eat way to much & yet the are starving for a different reason. I would like to then ask a question about the people who are anorexic. It is scientifically proven that the people who eat the most are the skinniest people alive. Why then, what kind of Spiritual starvation can make someone so skinny no mater how much they eat?


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Colon and other cancers of the digestive system are directly attributable to failing to process meat - you will never, ever hear of a vegan or vegetarian contracting these digestive tract diseases, or diabetes or a host of other food related ailments.

I mean not to question you Adrian however I thought that Dairy was extremely bad for your colon. I have no doubt what so ever that a Vegan can't get colon cancer, however someone who eats a lot of dairy I believe can. Dairy makes is more difficult to eliminate waste & toxins from the body. Also even thought the China Study blames milk for Diabetes type 1, I don't see what good being a Vegan would now for those who already have it. Diabetes 2 CAN and is proven to be cured through a extreme diet thought.

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To those who would seek to live on Energy alone I would wish you well, but also make it abundantly clear that as organic creatures we have been designed in this form to derive Energy from organic materials, and there is nothing intrinsically wrong with doing so.

Thank you Adrian. Consider that all food is A. Expensive, B. probably not organic even if they say it is, C. Most people can't just eat fruit all the time, D. Contains toxins, E. Requires gas & transportation to acquire, F. Is still unhealthy to some extent causing aging to some extent, G. Fruit is not addicting so being hungry makes me want to eat foods that are, H. Gods in human form were never meant to be hungry or suffer, I. Still waste energy digesting no mater what you eat, and J. the Tao Masters & Living Buddhas didn't eat or satisfy there sense of taste.

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« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2008, 21:37:38 »

Greetings dear friends ~

I have a son that is as you describe - thin and can eat massive amounts of food and not gain weight, really pisses off his sister too !
There are hereditary factors in this as well as spiritual ones. he is as his father, after his father began to implement his spiritual practices into his daily life. He is a very high energy person, with a seemingly bottomless pit of energy, he also eats a lot of fast foods, and unhealthy foods. It is a matter of youth also.
He also has a spiritual imbalance as most children do as they emerge from adolescence. But as we discuss these matters he is finding balance. As Adrian points pout - his imbalance is a chakra matter.
Anorexic people generally suffer very low self esteem. Feeling they must ' look ' a certain way to be accepted and loved, again though it is an agenda of trying to receive Love and the related energy of it. It hits adolescent children the hardest, as adolescence is the period that the child is seeking a new source of energy other than the parent. It is the reason for all the violent and angry teenage turmoil. Emotions flare in teens, e-motion or energy in motion.

Food is the overlying subject here, but when I began to address my children's difficulties from a strictly energy point of view, the source of their troubles became crystal clear.
I tend to agree with Adrian, organic form requires organic energy foods. I feel being a being of pure energy may yet be down the evolutionary path. But I am also of the belief that if we are spiritually sound and mature, we may eat anything and still convert it to a high quality energy within us, the forerunner of being pure energy ingesting Beings. That our Chakra's can convert even the most toxic of energy's into pure energy. Spiritual maturity also sees our individual chakra's unified as One.

But energy as life source still falls secondary in discussion to foods, perhaps a reversal is in order. Obesity is a global problem, some from cultural traditions and customs, but I feel mostly because people even though extremely overweight are seeking out particular nutrients they lack, and no amount of food is going to fulfill that craving. It is the body on a reckless search for a need to be satisfied to keep it healthy and alive. The more I supplemented my intake with herbs and vitamins and minerals, the less I felt hungry, I was addressing the desire for nutrients directly, and satisfying the cry of true hunger.
On behavioral extremes, energy demands from the energy body are often unknown or ignored altogether. They remain a ' myth ' to the medical community and science still is holding out in the ' prove it ' mode before addressing its reality.
In my life I was beaten often, and I looked into the eyes of that rage, and saw the same rage as someone starving literally and feeling death was the next step if they did not acquire food, an unbridled out of control desperation.
I was also molested, and felt the same drain of energy's as the beatings, it left me exhausted and depleted in both instances, it was energy oriented attacks in both cases, and had little to do with anything else at its core level.
The point of this revelation here is simple, a Human will attack in many ways to attain energy it desires, even if it is a well fed human. But it is an attack none the less and the driving force of all aggressive behaviors in life. In spiritual circles we talk of energy a lot in relation to God, divine, and universal, yet tend to overlook the energy's that will become very aggressive when denied its existence, the energy body will die if starved just as the organic, and will DO whatever it takes for its life also.
Most Human's get their needed energy from relationships, and there is a definite relationship between the molested and abused child and the predator, it is the basis for the child trafficking in the world, the traffickers are supplying a need they are not even aware of under the pretense of it being a sexual perversion, yet sex is the most common form of energy acquisition.
Marriages fail at such an alarming rate because we teach this game to our children in instead of true Love. As Marianne Williams states accurately, we teach being made to feel special in relationships, not Love. Being made to feel special ensures a steady flow of energy to your partner, and a flow to you as a result.
Abused children rarely do well in relationships because they understand this energy issue from an intimate level, they know what people are truly after, and the extent they will go to get it, and there is no limit. Marriages deteriorate into power struggles as the energy flow is depleted from its original intensity and purity " Falling in Love " stage, until anger replaces the demand, it is toxic energy, but yet still intense energy.

So this is about food, the thing we need to live, not just live well, but to live period.
" Manna from heaven " is a quite literal statement. Child molesters seek purest energy - a child's -  as a vampire seeks a pure blood host in the ancient tales. It is an excellent analogy of this though.

I came to understand this in a more healthy way as an adult parent, returning home from work at night tired, agitated, and feeling generally - not good. Five children would run out the door to greet me, and energy restored instantly, all negativity absorbed and transformed, this is food in its truest form and healthiest form.
Holding my baby children in the middle of the night as their teeth grew in causing them pain, just focusing on giving the child the purest love I could muster, seeing it allow them to fall back asleep.

It is even true in nature - watch a tree children play in a lot, it grows tall and fast, and is the healthiest tree in the woods they play in.

WithIn Love

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« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2008, 10:06:47 »

Dear Darrell,

I would like to dedicate this, my one thousandth post on these forums to your words of wisdom regarding Energy.

I will not dilute your words by commenting on everything you have said, which is not necessary, but rather make a few observations of my own.

First and foremost everything is Energy, and therefore the root of all human experience is Energy.

The vast majority of diseases can be traced to Energy imbalances, and in particular cancer which is without doubt the disease that has become synonymous with so called "modern society" which is, in and of itself, extremely Energetically unbalanced.

The way we influence others, and they us, is all Energy. Charisma and magnetism are patterns of Energy. This is why there have been many truly great and also infamous people of the past who seem to have an almost hypnotic hold over people.

When people are feeling "depleted of Energy" it may be in part due to imbalances in the circuits of the Energy Body and in particular the Chakras, but there also exist Astral  "parasites" for example "larvae", that feed off human Energy and in particular emotions. Incubus and Succubus are a more advanced form of larvae called "schemata" which feed off sexual Energy by sexually arousing the "host" who often become addicted to the relationship.

The way people choose to eat, drink and live their lives today result in tremendous Energy deficiencies and imbalances, which must manifest in to physical experience.

Every thought is Energy - a cause that must be associated with a corresponding effect. Every thought shapes our experience at every level.

Marriage is no different to religion in my view. People often "get married" due to family and social pressures as well as for material reasons. Only when there is a genuine attraction at the highest human frequency of Energy, known as "Love", not to be confused with "lust" can a union be joyful, enduring and productive as well as meaningful.

The whole concept of marriage, especially in countries where they are arranged, is the source of much misery. 50 years ago couples "made the most of it" to "save face", these days some people are serial divorcers.

If all of these archaic ideas gave way to a true attraction between two people based on Energy, without any social or other pressures, that the couple may live and express as a joyful union of Energy, then the world would be a much happier place.

Energy of parents has a profound influence over our children even before conception and at the moment of fertilization when the new vehicle for human life is created.

Energy is everything but yet to most people at this moment means nothing and that simply must change if true progress is to be made.

And yes - our Energy in the form of thoughts influences everything around us. The tree you mentioned which is blessed with the Energy of children playing around and in it will thrive and grow strong.  The plants and flowers in a garden which are lovingly tended to will thrive and produce beautiful blooms, large tasty fruits, and luscious foliage.

Someone posted a link to a YouTube video that proved that the nature of thoughts influences the shape of ice crystals. This is similar to "holy water" which is regular water that has been "blessed", in other words infused with Energy from a Higher Power.

Not much more need be said except to say that I fully recognise the importance of Energy at all levels, as well as the fact that most people, even if aware of these truths, struggle to achieve their true Energy potential in every respect. This must change.

In Love and Light,

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« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2008, 12:00:30 »

Dear Adrian

Thank You - with sincere heart and deep humility. I was stunned and speechless at this honor.
Many of my friends would like to know how you left me speechless though.

Yes, all is energy. We walk daily in an ocean of energy's, and if you could see the particles, they are not unlike the watery ocean. A beautiful variety of life everywhere you look, not particle is not alive. There are all variety's and their are sharks too. Other great and mysterious creatures in the dark depths of the ocean, as there are in the energy ocean we swim within daily. Yet the oceans feed us daily, even if you do not eat seafood, as you cannot grow anything on land without the oceans participation in the whole.

When you swim in the ocean, there are many things that will bite, sting, or attack in some form. but we are given senses to avoid them and we have special suits to protect us, as we have energy's to protect us. We need to learn to swim, to know the dangers, to know how to be accepted in the ocean. The energy is no different.
You can walk through life and hope for the best, or train yourself to walk in it safely.
We command our personal energy, it will do as we desire, mold and matrix according to our ability to command it.
When we see our energy / aura we are seeing the glow, and deep within the glow is the matrix the glow emanates from into life. Sacred geometry's give us the ideal matrix's to command our energy with, with the Tree of Life being the complete design. This design allows us to walk into any ocean and breathe whatever is there and not fear any form of life.

Those that found their way to this forum from an abusive childhood, and I suspect there are many, know that your dark beginnings are directly related to the greatness you are to bring to this ocean of Human life.
Know that the energy you emanated as children was and is so abrasive to those that refuse to evolve that what you experienced amounts to desperation attempting to silence us.The Human arena at present cannot allow us to grow it cannot allow its life giving toxic misery to be extinguished.
Those that endured, survived, and now live truly are the ' meek that shall inherit the earth ' and the strong made to feel weak, beaten to feel wrong, molested to feel jaded beyond redemption. Jesus was a radical, Mary a whore ? Again, desperation unbridled.
Look closely at life events now in the predatory arenas of govt, religion, and business. These are the current dinosaurs sensing their extinction.
Those that feel themselves to be the downtrodden of Earth are the power that they fear the most, so much so they feel it needed to assault it before it has a chance to mature.
You are the very hosts of heaven here, and now,you fill fully the prophecies of heaven being an Earthly reality, but like before it is felt death is the solution to cease evolving of the Human Being. Only there are just too many of us now. We are connected by spirit, heart, feelings that see in the darkest waters. We cannot be silenced as we speak in silence, we cannot be stopped as we cannot be seen, we cannot be deterred, we are too strong. We do not need to engage the battle for we have already won, and the entire Universe is our home, where can they follow us?
Know your strength lies in the truth that even when it was hopeless, we brought hope to others, when we could not feel an ounce of love for ourselves, we loved on.
We do not waste time and energy fixing the unfixable, just build new where the old died of its own hand, with no help from us.
In this time we return what others left in us, it does not belong to us. We give back the ugliness, it was never ours to be the keepers of. Return it and let it have the effect it will on the true owners. You have no guilt to rid yourself of, no sin to atone for. Atone - at / one.


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« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2008, 15:37:06 »



Someone posted a link to a YouTube video that proved that the nature of thoughts influences the shape of ice crystals. This is similar to "holy water" which is regular water that has been "blessed", in other words infused with Energy from a Higher Power.


I posted that video. Actually I posted it already twice in different threads. I will post it once again here so people do not have to search for it.

Water_Crystals_In_Motion_-_Messages_From_Water_-_Dr_Masaru_Emoto
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7920869018072072730&pr=goog-sl
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« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2008, 15:43:11 »


In this time we return what others left in us, it does not belong to us. We give back the ugliness, it was never ours to be the keepers of. Return it and let it have the effect it will on the true owners. You have no guilt to rid yourself of, no sin to atone for. Atone - at / one.


Hello Darrell,

I sense your pain on this subject throughout your posts. And it truly does not belong to you. Nevertheless, it would not be of an enlightened position to return all this crap back to those who originated it. Simply ask God to dissolve it and transmute it...
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« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2008, 15:52:34 »

Melody,
You are not sensing pain. The pain is long gone for me personally. I have worked with many that have this pain, but it is theirs and do not make it my own.

I also say to give it to God to them, let the Universe - Earth have it, let it be transmuted, but this is not always effective for them, was not for me either. I deal in what works. When we release the energy's it goes to them anyway. We will at some point see in a very clear way how our choices made everyone in our life feel, and even unto thee ones it ripples out to we do not see it could. We will know how we made them feel, by feeling as they did. It is not at all unenlightened to return energy's that belong to another left behind.


I also will not engage in another God / Bible diversion here. Of all the words posted by me on this thread and others, you highlight only those you disagree with.
How ' enlightened ' is that?

WithIN Love
Darrell
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