Jesus alternative history

[Daruma]

I'm not sure if I'm posting this in the right part of the forum, but I'm wondering if anyone could share any thoughts about Jesus's "missing years". I do not follow any organized religions myself - coming from a Muslim upbringing, and then having an involvment with Christianity and Bible studies (many years ago, now I follow my own path) I have always had an interest in alternatives to the mainstream teachings, such as the Dead Sea Scrolls.

I remember watching the movie "Stigmata" and the quote taken from the Gospel of Thomas - "Split a piece of wood and I am there, life a stone and you will find me"; which connotes a more universal truth. I have come across all these different theories about Jesus' life, such as travelling to India. He was referred to as St Isa in India, and the teachings during his ministry originated from his studies with Buddhist monks, according to certain sources.

Other theories are that he travelled to England with Joseph of Arimethea and and apparently visited Glastonbury - I remember visiting the Chalice Well in Glastonbury and feeling the energy on the Tor, and thought to myself "I would not be surprised if Jesus walked here." Also, he apparently died in Kashmir an old man after having had children with Mary Magdelene - one of the theories in the Da Vinci Code.

Although I am not religious or do not follow any traditional spiritual or New Age path, this is something I still find very interesting nonetheless and wonder what other people thoughts are on this. 

[Talker]

Hi,
Have long been interested in the person called "Jesus". There are many thoughts and words about this person, but no hard facts or data. Very little is mentioned in the bible. Edgar Cayce,has a number of books that are interesting, about Jesus.Have not yet tried the link shown below, but did download the material. Have watched this "Banned From The Bible" on TV, and believe this download will allow me to view it in more detail.
Had a severe conflict, with my religion / beliefs, from childhood, with what I was taught. Even the God concept, taught, was giving me problems. So as my shook-up beliefs settled down , I searched for what might be true, Truth, of the subject matter. Things I found did help the belief factors, but did not validate the truth of it. Some of my thoughts are covered in my blogs, listed here. One of the History Channels presentations covered the travels of Jesus, and detailed the sources. Not sure of the titles of that program. Sorry I'm not able to pass more info to you,I'm still investigating it all
Be Well
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 http://waysofahealer.blogspot.com/

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http://anotherlookatit.blogspot.com/
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Link to History Channel
http://www.mininova.org/tor/437453
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4/20/07 update- Just came across this site.
Looks interesting.
http://www3.sympatico.ca/shabir.ally/new_page_23.htm
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[Magpie]

There probarbly a lot off truth in jesus travels in egypt and india in his yearly years

[Adrian]

Hello Daruma,

I'm not sure if I'm posting this in the right part of the forum, but I'm wondering if anyone could share any thoughts about Jesus's "missing years". I do not follow any organized religions myself - coming from a Muslim upbringing, and then having an involvment with Christianity and Bible studies (many years ago, now I follow my own path) I have always had an interest in alternatives to the mainstream teachings, such as the Dead Sea Scrolls.

I remember watching the movie "Stigmata" and the quote taken from the Gospel of Thomas - "Split a piece of wood and I am there, life a stone and you will find me"; which connotes a more universal truth. I have come across all these different theories about Jesus' life, such as travelling to India. He was referred to as St Isa in India, and the teachings during his ministry originated from his studies with Buddhist monks, according to certain sources.

Other theories are that he travelled to England with Joseph of Arimethea and and apparently visited Glastonbury - I remember visiting the Chalice Well in Glastonbury and feeling the energy on the Tor, and thought to myself "I would not be surprised if Jesus walked here." Also, he apparently died in Kashmir an old man after having had children with Mary Magdelene - one of the theories in the Da Vinci Code.

Although I am not religious or do not follow any traditional spiritual or New Age path, this is something I still find very interesting nonetheless and wonder what other people thoughts are on this. 

I believe the person called Jesus, which is his Greek name is a high Initiate, or Master who came to Earth to teach the teachers, the disciples who would teach more teachers etc..

He new of the end of coming end of the age, and his objective almost certainly to have taught everyone through a succession of teachers by now; but of course then his teachings, which are coded so only initiates and other more Spiritually advanced people could understand, were interprted in strictly material terms and orthodox religion was the result.

I believe Jesus spent his early year before he went public with the Essenes, who taught him the fundamentals amd to prepare him for his mission, the nature and specific teachings of which would already have been known to him.

In Lak'ech,

Adrian.
 

[vincegill]

Hi Daruma

I don't think it's possible to know everthing about the life of Jesus, because it happened so long ago.

As you probably know, when a story is told over and over. the original truth becomes obscured.

I think it is more relevant and fruitful to know what happenned to the spirit of Jesus.

My own research on the subject led me to conclude that sometime later he came back to earth as the prophet Mohamed, then later on as Baha-u-lah.

Best wishes - Vincent

[Daruma]

Very interesting, Vincegill.

I suppose I have an interest in discovering an alternative history to Jesus's life as I - and I hope I don't offend any Christians who might be reading this - deep down want to find information that would challenge how the teachings and accounts that are presented in the Bible today. That's intriguing what you say about Jesus being reincarnated as Mohammed. I would be very interesting in knowing the source of this information.

[wynewitch]

Hi Daruma.
Want to view something interesting?
Check out www.jesusneverexisted.com.
A friend sent me this web page last year.
I'd already departed Christianism and so it only intrigued me.
What do you think?

[Daruma]

Thanks for posting that, Wynewitch, some interesting information in there. Maybe a man called Jesus actually did exist, who was profound psychic abilities, and who was a revolutionist. All the stuff about the immaculate conception, virgin birth and son of god beliefs were probably taken from older religions and legends like Mithraism, Hinduism and the ancient Greek. It would be interesting if Jesus had come back to earth at different points in history and see the acts that people were commiting in his name.

[Adrian]

Hello Daruma,

Thanks for posting that, Wynewitch, some interesting information in there. Maybe a man called Jesus actually did exist, who was profound psychic abilities, and who was a revolutionist. All the stuff about the immaculate conception, virgin birth and son of god beliefs were probably taken from older religions and legends like Mithraism, Hinduism and the ancient Greek. It would be interesting if Jesus had come back to earth at different points in history and see the acts that people were commiting in his name.

There is no doubt the Man called "Jesus" existed and was here for a reason, I would go as far as to say he was probably the greatest person ever to set foot on Earth.

However, as you say, most of the stories about his birth etc. are contrived to make it more convincing for the masses that he was a "God-man" in order that they could use the bible as an instrument of control, completely missing its real purpose.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[Daruma]

Hello Adrian

I agree, it seems that the orthodox teachings of Christ were just recycled from older myths and traditions, parallels with Mithras, Krishna and Hercules. There was something I think called something like the "Niceone Creed" or something like that which was a gathering of religious leaders around 300AD to establish what the rules, precepts and dogmas of Christianity would be, so it seems Christianity as we know it today didn't start till that date and is a far cry from some of the teachings of the lost gospels. Apparently it was Augustine, who was supposed to be very highly sexed but uncomfortable with his nature, who introduced the prohibition of sex outside of marriage.

[DH]

Apparently it was Augustine, who was supposed to be very highly sexed but uncomfortable with his nature, who introduced the prohibition of sex outside of marriage.

From what I've read, Augustine's hang ups screwed up a lot of things for Western Christianity.  It's amazing how one or two people can really change the course of a movement (like Paul's reformulation of the Christian message as well).

[Questioner]

Wow, this link: www.jesusneverexisted.com evokes A LOT of questions that should be addressed.

I wonder why more people are not formally asking these same questions?

Maybe anti-christian evangelists should take to the airways like Christian tele-evangelists do. Maybe they could eventually hold a formal debate?

I don't watch television, but I would go so far as to buy a bigger TV to watch that  event

[DH]

Wow, this link: www.jesusneverexisted.com evokes A LOT of questions that should be addressed.
I wonder why more people are not formally asking these same questions?
Maybe anti-christian evangelists should take to the airways like Christian televangelists do. Maybe they could eventually hold a formal debate?
I don't watch television, but I would go so far as to buy a bigger TV to watch that  event

That would be fun to watch. 

Unfortunately televangelists seldom publicly debate; and when they do, the debate shuts down real quick because most of them believe in the errancy and infallibility of the Bible.  The Bible is their ultimate authority, so once they respond with, "Yes, BUT, the Bible says......."  End of debate.  At least, as a college prof, that's what I ran up against a lot of times.

A lot of people are formally asking questions, but they don't seem to be the type to buy TV air time.  There's plenty of good stuff on the internet as you've shown, and soon the internet will surpass TV as the way to get the message across to mainstream people.  DH

[etanimulli]

I greet thee all with the "knowing" that the I that is me, is the same I that is within you, Namaste, and in this tone, I humbly greet thee

I have pasted below sourced from http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/lying.htm quote "
Isaiah, 7.14
The Hebrew original says:
'Hinneh ha-almah harah ve-yeldeth ben ve-karath shem-o immanuel.'
Honestly translated, the verse reads:
'Behold, the young woman has conceived — and bears a son and calls his name Immanuel.'...
(Matthew 1.23)
'Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel.' "unquote.

I have a lady come over on Saturday nights, whose intentions are to convert my family to her religious faith, by means of bible discussions. In knowing that these discussions are all preplanned, with cross references, to lead us "down the garden path", my intention for these discussions are to "remove the blinders" to try and nudge her to "awaken and keep asking quality questions", as I have found for myself that the resonating answers are found from asking quality questions.

In hindsight and with speaking with an awakened friend, I am finding this to become a battle of egos', and am quite conscious of the fact that in battles of egos, there is no winner. My friends advise is to leave them with their beliefs, as they are not hurting anyone, and each to there own, IE, as they thinketh shall become their reality... and I am finding that her (the ladies') 'need' to be right, is overpowering her 'want' to know anyhing else.

I opened my discussions with her by sharing a sales story related to me by one of my sales mentors. Briefly, in the story he asks a question of a prospect, who is about to slam the door in his face, (ahh the pure beauty of door knocking... lol). And the question, Whats the most expensive thing a person can own? Now there really is no right or wrong answer to this question, as the answer is a matter of each persons personal perception and relevance... however after a few proposals of answer from the prospect, my sales mentor left that door in closing with ... the most expensive thing a person can own is ... a closed mind. And this story has left a profound imprint, on my reality.

So fast forward to last weeks discussion, my eleven year old son was asked to daily read scriptures and ponder, and advised us at the discussion that he had managed to read five chapters in the week. I think he said he read the gospels of the apostles. To which we applauded. However, my son, having raised him to question all things, asked a very important question to which I shall now share.

He remarked of how he was reading the geneology lines, of how x begat y, etc etc, and how he was reading the geneology of Joseph, (ie Joseph and Mary). Now his question is, if Joseph is purported to only be the step father of Jesus, what relevance is his Geneology line, where all other lines are blood lines? Rephrased my son is asking, why is Josephs Geneology in there at all, when he is only the step-father?

Ahh out of the mouths of babes..Lol.

Of course, she immediately began her babble of saying how Mary and Joseph were related through the line of David, but, I pulled her up on the relevance of her answer to the question at hand. She has asked for a week to study for the answer.

Should be interesting... watch this space.

Yours in illumination of light

Ara

[melody]

Hello Ara,

The statement about the word “almah” as meaning only a young woman intrigued me so I looked it up. This is what I came up with from Strong’s Hebrew Dictionary. The dictionary is indicating that the translation of that Hebrew word as Virgin is a correct one.

H5959
עלמה
‛almâh
al-maw'
Feminine of H5958; a lass (as veiled or private): - damsel, maid, virgin.

And for the male of which the feminine is the oposit it is stated:

H5958
עלם
‛elem
eh'-lem
From H5956; properly something kept out of sight (compare H5959), that is, a lad: - young man, stripling.

An annotated  King James Bible with the Strong’s Hebrew and Greek dictionary translations comes with a free download of e-Sward Bible, for those interested in easy referencing.

http://www.e-sword.net/index.html
http://www.e-sword.net/downloads.html
http://www.e-sword.net/bibles.html