Immortality Anyone?!?

[Knowledge Is Power]

Whats up everybody. Just got back on my PC and thought I'd stop by with one of my interesting topics.

I have read from many source that we are trueling immortal. However, I may have misinterpreted the information I have been reading which define immortality, with the vague definitions I understand it to be from sever sci-fi movies.

Here is the big question(s),

What does it mean to be immortal? There are three known cause of death; aging, disease, and trauma. Many of you here speak of the negation of aging and achieving perfect health. Will this accomplish some level of immortality, theoretically speaking that is? I guess if you have perfect health then you will never become ill and maybe never age, right? Thus, achieving a state of immortality.

Also, a thought if I may, from what I have read else where, and even here on this forum...

Some believe that if we are enlightened enough, we can, as divine spirits, resurrect ourselves in the manner Jesus of Christ has. How say you all on this assumption?

[mcdwg11]

Well I don't know that anyone who have discovered there is more after death with something better would like to be immortal. I have heard of people wanting to be immortal because they love so much the materialistic aspect of this place, but of course they rely on science discoveries which have not taken place yet.

Maybe someone wanting to be immortal to help people here.

[Kailaurius]

Hi Knowledge and mcdwg11,

Well, firstly it might help to not think in terms of "mortal" and "immortal".  Immortality and mortality are really just human concepts.  In reality there is no such thing as "immortality" and "mortality".  Everything that has ever existed will always exist.  Nothing throughout the Universe can be created or destroyed.  Throughout our history on this planet humanity has been desperately seeking for that "fountain of youth" for the purpose of immortality to avoid the inevitable event erroneously known as "death".  Once we begin to realize there is no such thing as death then we would begin to realize how silly it is to seek this thing called immortality.

Also life within the physical is just a starting point on our very long journey back to Source.  It's nothing more than a place to gain a package of experiences until our Inner Self is ready to move on beyond the physical to more greater and glorious experiences.  Wanting to live on Earth forever would be like... no, is exactly like wanting to stay in kindergarten forever.  Could you imagine a 30 year old in kindergarten?  It's the exact same situation.  There's no doubt our Inner Self is not interested in one of it's many individual expressions to remain on Earth forever - but rather only long enough to gain the necessary experience.

From what I understand there have been those who have gained the necessary experience to move on while still within the physical.  Instead of going through the trauma of dieing from old age, murder, or disease these individuals have the option to seamlessly transition from the physical at any time they feel appropriate to the inner realms back to their Inner Self where they will continue their long and exciting journey until eventually reaching the point to where they have the option of reuniting with Source.

[wavepsychic]

Nobody wants to live forever. What everyone wants to varying degrees is infinite Youth and infinite health. Others also want specific physical attributes. These things make the Journey here more pleasant. To be young, to be good looking and to be healthy.

The cell is immortal and you should look into the immortality of the cell.

Aging and disease are one in the same. They are caused by abusing the body. And who would want to keep on living if they are a burn victim or lost limbs?

[Knowledge Is Power]

Nobody wants to live forever. What everyone wants to varying degrees is infinite Youth and infinite health.

Well what is infinite health and infinite youth? If by infinite youth you meaning "never aging", and by infinite health you mean "never getting sick" - then would that mean you have achieved some level of immortality? Think about it, you will never die from illness or old age. So whats left that can take you out? Trauma, the third leading and known cause of death.

So if no one wants to remain here for prolonged periods of time then why seek such things as infinite youth and infinite health. They will lead you to immortality anyway wouldn't it? Then you would have to kill yourself just to leave here and why would you wish to bring harm and suffering to your own body?

Aging and disease are one in the same. They are caused by abusing the body. And who would want to keep on living if they are a burn victim or lost limbs?[/color]

If you were immortal you wouldn't be in such a condition. Unless you were limited in some way. Usually with immortality comes immunity to many things. You wouldn't be aging if you were immortal, and usually you wouldn't be suffering from diseases.

Besides, true immortality only exist in spirit. Everything physical can be gotting to somehow.

Kailaurius,

What I am referring to is the choice of potentially remaining here forever. Even a novice like me knows that all things must change at some point and by whatever means or reason. I am talking about the freedom and ability to move on when you desire rather then meeting some unfortunate accident. I read that one enlightened enough could simply move on to the spirit worlds when he or she is ready by either releasing their souls at will (ancient yogi's was said to have done this) and leaving their body, or by merging their body with spirit so that it vibrates out of this world and into the next.

I don't know. I was hoping someone here could help me with it.

[wavepsychic]

I love Physical existence. It has much to be desired. For as long as I must be here I do not want to be diseased, old or ugly. You don't have to be here all the time. You can Astral Project and the likes. That way it wont be a one way ticket to the after life. If you are that powerful eventually you can decide to sever your own silver cord and leave under your own free will instead of forced to leave your body after years of neglect and abuse. Or you could do what the Jedi do.

[zensunni7]

You can choose to leave physical existence anytime you desire -  peacefully and gently - it is innate in all of us to do so. Yogi's did so / do so yet it is not a requirement.
The body accepts its immortality, it matters not to it if it is in this body ro the next, it has passed its Self onto the children, in totality from the inception of its blood lines - male and female. So it is in all aspects immortal and consciously aware of it.

Eternity is not a length of time without end - it is total ' no time ' and accepting your immortality asks that you see that. As the moment we hear so much of - it is not measurable, so it does not actually exist in our understanding.
I feel my own mortality - it is knowing that I am aware of my life - all of it since the first breath of God - Sources first breath - OM - something in nothing - BANG ! yeah it was big.
I do not need to know all knowledge in time, only to trust that their are experiences awakening and returning to slumber constantly to serve this reality I am talking in now. That billions of life experiences in me are not stored within my biology, but '' Live '' there, in me - and as me. This is our immorality - and we - our very form is our eternity.

Depok Chopra wrote that we age because one day we went and asked our parents how long people live, the standard answer being - 70 to 80 years. At that instant we made a choice to die in that time frame. I must heartily agree with him too.
When as a child, some cruel child or adult told you that you were ugly - you agreed to ugliness. That is where the true pain of these experiences seed from - our agreement to live within those answers we received when we asked and accepted the answer as absolute truths.
If I say to someone coming to me for counsel " You are an Indigo child " they go to the internet that night and research the title and then the agreement is fed and becomes the belief, followed by behaviors and actions that mimic the newly gained knowledge.

It never meant that we would look 20 yrs old all of a life lived, nor that we would not age. I look in the mirror and see a different man there everyday, make up was designed to mask this truth of Human existence. We want it to look one way and stay there.
Healthy has yet to be defined and ' not sick ' is not healthy. anymore than ' not depressed ' is happy. There are 90 year old smokers and drinkers, and somewhere a 30 year old jogger just dropped dead. Someone that did all the doctors said to died of cancer, while the woman alone cured her own cancer.

We can literally DO anything we desire - and do it forever, we just do not realize how deeply we fear this. Most complain they cannot fill a day - what will they feel when seeing the truth of eternity?

[Goonie]

yo knowledge i started a topic similar to this on another forum. think about it. u dont want to live forever dude. imagine if everyone achieved immortality. it wud be hell on earth man. like a being permenantly stuck in a crammed elevator or sumthin. i wunder if such a thing were to happen, wud the earth evolve to become bigger to make more space. i mean the earth is alive too riigh?

[Talker]

You can choose to leave physical existence anytime you desire -  peacefully and gently - it is innate in all of us to do so. Yogi's did so / do so yet it is not a requirement.
The body accepts its immortality, it matters not to it if it is in this body ro the next, it has passed its Self onto the children, in totality from the inception of its blood lines - male and female. So it is in all aspects immortal and consciously aware of it.

Eternity is not a length of time without end - it is total ' no time ' and accepting your immortality asks that you see that. As the moment we hear so much of - it is not measurable, so it does not actually exist in our understanding.
I feel my own mortality - it is knowing that I am aware of my life - all of it since the first breath of God - Sources first breath - OM - something in nothing - BANG ! yeah it was big.
I do not need to know all knowledge in time, only to trust that their are experiences awakening and returning to slumber constantly to serve this reality I am talking in now. That billions of life experiences in me are not stored within my biology, but '' Live '' there, in me - and as me. This is our immorality - and we - our very form is our eternity.

Depok Chopra wrote that we age because one day we went and asked our parents how long people live, the standard answer being - 70 to 80 years. At that instant we made a choice to die in that time frame. I must heartily agree with him too.
When as a child, some cruel child or adult told you that you were ugly - you agreed to ugliness. That is where the true pain of these experiences seed from - our agreement to live within those answers we received when we asked and accepted the answer as absolute truths.
If I say to someone coming to me for counsel " You are an Indigo child " they go to the internet that night and research the title and then the agreement is fed and becomes the belief, followed by behaviors and actions that mimic the newly gained knowledge.

It never meant that we would look 20 yrs old all of a life lived, nor that we would not age. I look in the mirror and see a different man there everyday, make up was designed to mask this truth of Human existence. We want it to look one way and stay there.
Healthy has yet to be defined and ' not sick ' is not healthy. anymore than ' not depressed ' is happy. There are 90 year old smokers and drinkers, and somewhere a 30 year old jogger just dropped dead. Someone that did all the doctors said to died of cancer, while the woman alone cured her own cancer.

We can literally DO anything we desire - and do it forever, we just do not realize how deeply we fear this. Most complain they cannot fill a day - what will they feel when seeing the truth of eternity?

Well now, interesting food for thought being discussed here.
So off with the mods hat for chatty thoughts.
 
Just some looks at the theme of thought being expressed here on this topic.

If one were to achieve immortality, while in the flesh, eventually you could wind up with all those you've experienced to date, having 'passed' on. New series of adventures with new souls every so often.
Not bad, but is this what you had in mind!
How many one and only 'true loves' would you have gone through and experienced!
Could one deal with those kinds of memories! 

Kind of neat thought though, to have a Creator that wanted to stretch to the extreme, on what experiences could be worked up, if billions upon billions of Source bits, were let loose to experience every imaginable and unimaginable configuration, ones mind can manifest. Hey, nothing dull here.
http://www.ourultimatereality.com/forums/so-we-decided-to-come-here-t1493.0.html;msg17870#msg17870

In the above quote, I make mention of a Creator that is gaining 'experiences' through the many bits of 'Creator' sent out by the Creator to experience every type of ventures. Carrying that thought a little further, if bits (parts of Creator as individual Souls) are experiencing creation, then Creator is not 'Whole' until all of the 'bits' return back to Source, leading to an expanded and greater Creator.
In the same vein then, any that were immortal while in the flesh, on earth, would or could actually be a hindrance to Sources plan of total expansion and creativity, due to some parts (Creator) still being at large in the Universe.
Wild thinking I know, but that's what ones mind is for, to investigate all aspects of existence with a purpose.
Looked at in another way, each and every soul, had or has, a purpose or role to roughly play out, in order to round out Sources experience factor. Every drama one experiences is adding to the ultimate final picture, before the next round of new creative souls start leaving Home, to see how far they can 'reach' this time around.
Ah, enough 'wild' for now, back on with the mod cap.
Be Well

[wavepsychic]

Adonis G, The earth does grow and get bigger but mostly in the Oceans. The Continents pretty much stay the same size. They also fold to make mountains and most people can't live on mountains.

I don't want to live forever but I want my hair to grow back. I am really have a hard time with this. I want to meet this guy that I really like and wanted to meet for five years but I don't have the confidence. It wont work, I need to know how to change the body. Consciously on some level it is made. I need to know where this level is. If I don't like myself "which I don't" he wont like me. If I can look how I want to look even if he doesn't like me I'll be able to move on. However if I do meet him now and he refuses me it'll destroy me. My ego wont let that happen that's why I waste my life away here.

I don't want to age or have any other diseases and I'm not ready to die yet.

[Knowledge Is Power]

So for all yous who desire infinite health and infinite youth, how would you move on? If you never get sick or age, then what are your plans for leaving this world behind? Would you commit suicide just to leave this world, cause that may be the only option, or are we talking about gaining enough enlightenment to achieve ascension.

[Kadensnga]

Peace Knowledge.

Havent seen you around in awhile... I certainly have no knowledge of these things...I say "grow old gracefully" myself... just popping in to say "nice to see you".

Kadensnga

[wavepsychic]

Knowledge to answer your question simply I do not want to leave this world until after I learn to have Out of body experiences and Astral Projection. If I become so called immortal I can just snap my silver cord from there. Of course I would have already out lived many who are my age and any one I'd be close to would know I'm not ceasing to exist.

[Knowledge Is Power]

Peace Knowledge.

Haven't seen you around in awhile... I certainly have no knowledge of these things...I say "grow old gracefully" myself... just popping in to say "nice to see you".

Kadensnga

Yea I pop in and out every now and then. Just busy experiencing life I guess, and trying to find a career so I can get paid

Yeah on the whole growing old thing...

I don't ever wish to be old, or become ill in any way. These desires is what got me interested in immortality. I have been interested in it since I was about 11 or so. I don't want to remain here on Earth forever, I get bored very quick , but I also don't wish to be "forced" to move on; and by that I mean growing old, getting sick, or simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I would much rather remain biologically 25 or so until I "Choose" to continue my journey to the spirit planes.

Knowledge to answer your question simply I do not want to leave this world until after I learn to have Out of body experiences and Astral Projection. If I become so called immortal I can just snap my silver cord from there. Of course I would have already out lived many who are my age and any one I'd be close to would know I'm not ceasing to exist.

Hello wavepsychic,

The silver cord gig huh? I read of the silver cord in astral projection articles. They say that if it is cut during astral projection that the one projection will lose all connection with their body and thus experience physical death. Some worry about this, believing that it can be accidentally severed by an entity from another world or so. I don't know, many different sources have their do's and don'ts.

Having watched many films of people who have achieved the science fictional version of immortality. Some consider it a course! Outliving your loved ones, like you said, and repeatedly experience the lost of love ones over and over again. Such a thing can tear at your heart if your not strong enough. Some believe they can never find love because they wouldn't grow old with their family. Imagine both you and your lover being 70 years old, yet you look like your still in your late 20's or early 30's while your wife is looking her age! People around will talk and constantly harass you over it, because they don't really know whats going on obviously.

[L Lawliet]

Good evening all, just stumbled upon this topic by running into another site. Unbelievable!!

There are so many different concept's of immortality like there is for God. However, immortality may come in levels of experience rather then a set value of what it is. What I mean to say is there could be different levels of immortality or just different concepts.

You like using movie reference eh Knowledge? Well lets play  ,

Think of the immortality of a vampire. They are believed to be eternal and live ,however this is a potential fact. Meaning that they are only alive until they are killed. They never age, or stop aging since they became one, never fall victim of diseases or viruses. However, they are not invulnerable though they do possess a certain level of durability, but this too would depend on the story written. Some stories vampires can not be out in sunlight or they will burn up and die. Though when watching "Twilight", the vampires were often seen in during the day, even in sunlight - though the Cullons would sparkle under the sun instead of burning up. I am sure you are familiar with all the other weaknesses of vampires based on their story so I wont brief any further  . Werewolves to are said to be immortal, like the Lycans from Underworld.

If such a thing does exist from humanity, it might be more closely related to the level of immortality expressed in the movie Highlander. Therefore you Immortality would mean that you would live as long as nothing happens to you, which is really no different then your normal state right now if you really think about it. Well, think about it!! We grow old, catch all sorts of disease and what not's. These are the "things" happening to us which are preventing our immortality from being realized and expressed. As I'm sure many here have already said to you that the cells are already immortal.

Well, hope you get the picture sir, for that is all I have to say right now, must get ready to go in to work.

ttyl, L