I want the truth!! Im tired of the lies or deceptions....

[Baki Hanma]

Yea  . I have another question now,  . What are your views on the whole Adam and Eve scenario? Did they really exist? Or is that another misinterpreted metaphor for something different? Also did we spawn from them like the Bible says, or did we evolve from some form of animal (apes, caveman, etc..)? What were the first breed of humans back then? And where the Dinosours really the first creatures on Earth? Hahaha, wow I'm on a roll here . Sorry I had to let that one out. You don't really have to answere that Dinasour one .

[Adrian]

Hello Baki Hanma,

Yea  . I have another question now,  . What are your views on the whole Adam and Eve scenario? Did they really exist? Or is that another misinterpreted metaphor for something different? Also did we spawn from them like the Bible says, or did we evolve from some form of animal (apes, caveman, etc..)? What were the first breed of humans back then? And where the Dinosours really the first creatures on Earth? Hahaha, wow I'm on a roll here . Sorry I had to let that one out. You don't really have to answere that Dinasour one .

Adam and Eve did not exist as people - they represented the dawn of "modern man". In the Lurianic Kaballah Adam Kadmon is primordial man.

I personally subscribe to what we call "evolution" in that everything that exists today has evolved from ancient beginnings and is still evolving now. I also believe that "modern" man evolved from early apes - it is all in the fossil record supported by genetic analysis and other scientific analysis.

However - what is not explained is how humans made that massive leap from primitive ape to Homo Sapiens and I do not know the answer either except that it must have happened under Divine guidance. Of course many believe that ancient humans were "modified" by ET's at some point in the ast, and I think this is entirely possible considering the evidence for ET intervention generally - especially in ancient times.

The Dinosaurs evolved from earlier primitive life forms so they were not the first creatures on Earth even though they were here for around 170 million years, which compared to the beginnings of primitive humans around 4 million years ago, and "modern" humans of a few hundred thousand years is a long time.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[Baki Hanma]

Heh you go again making sense .. I never really did honestly believe that Adam and Eve exist in the way in which we leanred in Church, but nooo everyone wants to use the bible as the reference for everything. The Whole evolution thing had me really confused at that time because were learning one thing in church and another in school and I like now which one is really true here?!!?? I mean science have the hard core facts and evidence through genetic research and study that humans evolved from primitive beings. The bible just simple says (at least mines did) that God made Adam and Eve and they had kids which then had kids, which then had kids and so on. I'm like well wait a minute here... If they were the only people back then, that would mean they had to mate with there siblings in order to reproduce to such a vast population as we live in today. But then that would mean that genetically we are all related and isn't it a sin to mate with your siblings?

Another thing (maybe totally off topic but still wish to address) I kind of get sick and tired of people harassing lesbians and gays. I mean I'm not gay or anything but as I matured into an adult I became more understanding to their type and way of life even though I don't agree with it I still show them the same amount of love and respect as I would a straight person. Heres my main question on this. How does God want us to live? People keep using the whole "God made man and women for a reason" and "He made Adam and Eve not Adam and Adam or Eve and Eve". I just wanted to know is it really a sin to live this type of life style, because people would just leave them alone and let them be who they are.

Also, could it be that that person feels a more attraction towards the same sex because just maybe their spirit or soul once belonged to that of the opposite sex (Like a male spirit was once a females spirit in a past life) and thus integrated all of those past life desires, feelings and characteristics into this new incarnated body?

[Adrian]

Hello Baki Hanma,

Evolution is a fact and can be scientifically proven.

Did you know for example that human beings share 60% of our DNA with a banana? It might be amusing but it does prove that in the distant past we were related to bananas as well as most other organic life.

Hard core religious people claim that "God planted dinosaur fossils in the ground to confuse scientists".

Nothing anyone ever does is a "sin" - that is just a human concept. There is no "good" and "bad" there is only experience.

Regarding gay people - God is perfect and never created anything that is imperfect, so again the human perception of gay people is typically human, and goes side by side with how humans view and treat other groups of humans that are considered "different" including those with disabilities, as well as animals and plants.

Whilst it is true that there are two genders to facilitate reproduction and perpetuation of the species, ultimately we are Spirit, not human bodies, and we are here to learn a wide range of experiences.

I don't think previous Higher-Self incarnations have much to do with it as most people have experience numerous incarnations as both male and female as well as other characteristics including quite possibly gay.  Ultimately gay people are here to prevail over that experience and learn and evolve from it, and any prejudice people might hold is quite frankly out of ignorance. But then of course those same people have the opportunity to finally understand, and in so doing will have learnt a valuable lesson as well as the ultimate truth that we and all life are One, and also aspects of God Who is Perfect.

Kind regards,

Adrian.
 

[Baki Hanma]

Evolution is a fact and can be scientifically proven.

Did you know for example that human beings share 60% of our DNA with a banana? It might be amusing but it does prove that in the distant past we were related to bananas as well as most other organic life.

Hard core religious people claim that "God planted dinosaur fossils in the ground to confuse scientists".

Nothing anyone ever does is a "sin" - that is just a human concept. There is no "good" and "bad" there is only experience.

Regarding gay people - God is perfect and never created anything that is imperfect, so again the human perception of gay people is typically human, and goes side by side with how humans view and treat other groups of humans that are considered "different" including those with disabilities, as well as animals and plants.

Whilst it is true that there are two genders to facilitate reproduction and perpetuation of the species, ultimately we are Spirit, not human bodies, and we are here to learn a wide range of experiences.

I don't think previous Higher-Self incarnations have much to do with it as most people have experience numerous incarnations as both male and female as well as other characteristics including quite possibly gay.  Ultimately gay people are here to prevail over that experience and learn and evolve from it, and any prejudice people might hold is quite frankly out of ignorance. But then of course those same people have the opportunity to finally understand, and in so doing will have learnt a valuable lesson as well as the ultimate truth that we and all life are One, and also aspects of God Who is Perfect.

Well said as always Adrian. Its always great talking or chatting with you, Talker and other people who have helped me understand the world a lot better. Its like you guys really hold the  lost pieces to the puzzle .

Thoughts and Questions About Satan

I was reading your O.U.R. book last night before I fell asleep. I was reading the Astral Projection chapter. It said that astral projectors should be mindful of their thoughts because they can even manifest an evil entity if it pops up in their minds while in the astral planes. I have a question on that note. Those who strongly believe in religious dogma of the fact that Satan exist and rules hell. When they die will they carry that mental thought or belief with them? In other worlds would they end up creating the hell they believe exist while in the real world, for themselves? Thus seeing their version of what Satan will look like? I quite sure from all the horror movies and comic books, magazines, and talk about Satan that many people have already imagined him, thus he does exist now in the astral planes right? Being that we have the power to create life on an astral level as well, that would make sense wouldn't it, at least to me. I read in your "Clairvoyance Power Secrets" that we create such entities that we read in books, movies and from stories told to us by us all focusing on such an entity will then give it life in the astral world. Thats why I was think well sense a large variety of people believe in Satan, he must exist on some level now right?

The Aura:   Sometimes the aura can be so intense it can even be viewed by people not usually possessing the ability of auric vision.

Wow , so  are you implying that anyone can view the aura even if they don't have the necessary senses attuned yet? As long as the aura itself is intense enough? But I thought the aura was purely metaphysical and didn't reflect light in the manner in which we see here on this plane...

Hahaheh, I should have named this topic "General Discussion" 

[Adrian]

Hello Baki Hanma,

Yes it is true that people will find what they expect to find upon passing on. This is why the "belief system territories" exist as discussed in my book, and which are basically religious worlds where the residents get to go to church, sing hymns and "worship" as much as they wish to. Those worlds are controlled by the equivalent of religious figures who threaten the congregation that they will be "cast out into the void" if they do not conform. Sounds somewhat familiar!

That said very few people actually expect to find "satan" and other demonic beings upon passing over, and so probably do not.

The Astral generally, especially the mid-Astral is called the "desire worlds" because anything desired can be created instantly - it is still the Law of Attraction, but because of the much higher vibration, lower density and lack of space and time it happens instantly.

Kind regards,

Adrian.
 

[Talker]

Heh you go again making sense .. I never really did honestly believe that Adam and Eve exist in the way in which we leanred in Church, but nooo everyone wants to use the bible as the reference for everything.

 The bible just simple says (at least mines did) that God made Adam and Eve and they had kids which then had kids, which then had kids and so on. I'm like well wait a minute here... If they were the only people back then, that would mean they had to mate with there siblings in order to reproduce to such a vast population as we live in today. But then that would mean that genetically we are all related and isn't it a sin to mate with your siblings?

Another thing (maybe totally off topic but still wish to address) I kind of get sick and tired of people harassing lesbians and gays. I mean I'm not gay or anything but as I matured into an adult I became more understanding to their type and way of life even though I don't agree with it I still show them the same amount of love and respect as I would a straight person. Heres my main question on this. How does God want us to live?

Also, could it be that that person feels a more attraction towards the same sex because just maybe their spirit or soul once belonged to that of the opposite sex (Like a male spirit was once a females spirit in a past life) and thus integrated all of those past life desires, feelings and characteristics into this new incarnated body?

Hi Baki Hanma,
When I was wrestling with bible concepts, there was nothing like these forums to help with the confusion. Was confused with the Adam and Eve write in the bible until I came across theses words, "Every human being commences in Adam, and within every human being lie the potentialities of Christ."It was further stated that "in Adam, and ending with the highest, in Christ. Between these two extremes lie all the stages of of human consciousness development in orderly succession." Reading of these words gave me greater comprehension that made sense to me. Still working on how Eve fits into this scenario.

My common sense thinking was annoyed with all the gay bashing by certain religious leaders, and so called Christian's. That is why my thoughts were posted about gays and lesbians, and even about Jesus. No ones business what any do in private life, with sexual energy. From some recent reading, it does seem that people, for their own experiences and soul advancement, do plan before birth, what and how they will experience their new physical life.
Seeking answers to questions one has about anything, life or bible, is the only way to reach understanding.
 Be Well

[Adrian]

Hello Talker,

Still working on how Eve fits into this scenario.

The Principle of Gender is a fundamental Universal Principle that I devote a chapter in my book to. Incidentally I never use the word "Laws" except in the context of "The Law of Attraction" which is a Principle most people are familiar with. "Laws" are too authoritative as if created to be obeyed for fear of reprisals. The Universe work's in accordance with immutable Principles inherent to Source, Universal Mind, God.

The Principle of Gender states that everything in existence has both male and female characteristics, differing only to the degree they manifest.

Adam could not exist without Eve and vice versa.

Although orthodox religions always refer to God as "Him" or "Father", at least the Pagans recognise that Source has masculine and feminine characteristics that they identify with as God and Goddess.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[Baki Hanma]

Are there such thing as shape shifters?

[Talker]

Hello Talker,

Still working on how Eve fits into this scenario.

The Principle of Gender is a fundamental Universal Principle that I devote a chapter in my book to. Incidentally I never use the word "Laws" except in the context of "The Law of Attraction" which is a Principle most people are familiar with. "Laws" are too authoritative as if created to be obeyed for fear of reprisals. The Universe work's in accordance with immutable Principles inherent to Source, Universal Mind, God.

The Principle of Gender states that everything in existence has both male and female characteristics, differing only to the degree they manifest.

Adam could not exist without Eve and vice versa.

Although orthodox religions always refer to God as "Him" or "Father", at least the Pagans recognise that Source has masculine and feminine characteristics that they identify with as God and Goddess.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

Thank you Adrian. Overlooked THE SEVEN HERMETIC PRINCIPLES, and need to get back to OUR reading. 
Enjoy the day.

[Talker]

Are there such thing as shape shifters?

Hello Baki Hanma,
Have heard of the term. Not sure if it qualifies as Shape Shifter, but experienced a small mob action, where the total demeanor of those involved took on the looks and activity far beyond reason. I was shocked to observe that action.
Be Well

[Baki Hanma]

Mob Action :

[DH]

Hello Baki,

Yes, shapeshifting is real.  Some who practice shamanism use it as a part of their practice.

http://groups.msn.com/OtherkinShapeshifters

http://www.shamanlinks.net/index.htm

DH

[Talker]

Mob Action :

Hi Baki Hanma,
Will deliberately word this in a manner that none involved will be able to identify with, if still alive. The time slot was many years ago. Was about twenty of us, all male. As a group we were subjected to racial and religious slurs, out of place considering the occasion. This was totally out of context to what the function was about. No one of the group (myself included) raised a voice in objection at the time. I could sense the  "feeling tones", as I call them now, saying "something is wrong here". It was a large building, with many rooms, and a large auditorium. We were purposely moved, from one room to another, as every ten minutes a person would enter the room and announce that this room was required to be immediately vacated. All the while, the main speaker kept voicing racial and religious slurs, along with parts of what was supposed to be part of the benevolent topic. Two rooms later, I was ready to walk out, when the main speaker asked us to follow him out of the room. Strangely, we were led to a freight elevator, and as the elevator started moving, my "feeling tones" were warning me, "some thing drastically wrong here".  I requested that at the next floor level, I wanted off. At this point with a loud voice the main speaker shouted out in a loud voice " you people are bunch of F--king sheep". I was shocked at the words used. Most of the people on the elevator at this point converged on the speaker and started beating on him. Enraged faces, flying fists, snot, and spit being spewed out, and kicking were aimed at the speaker. In trying to stop the melee, I received some kicks and punches!  As the elevator stopped and the doors opened, four police officers rushed in to break up the beating still going on. Long story short, this was a very revealing event in my life. The rage, anger and facial distortions were real with this group, but the main speaker was a trained professional, with four bodguards to prevent serious injury to him. Yes, it was all part of a well planned special initiation process, but I did benefit and learn well from having experienced it. Was more involved here, but must refrain from saying more.

[Baki Hanma]

Hi Baki Hanma,
Will deliberately word this in a manner that none involved will be able to identify with, if still alive. The time slot was many years ago. Was about twenty of us, all male. As a group we were subjected to racial and religious slurs, out of place considering the occasion. This was totally out of context to what the function was about. No one of the group (myself included) raised a voice in objection at the time. I could sense the  "feeling tones", as I call them now, saying "something is wrong here". It was a large building, with many rooms, and a large auditorium. We were purposely moved, from one room to another, as every ten minutes a person would enter the room and announce that this room was required to be immediately vacated. All the while, the main speaker kept voicing racial and religious slurs, along with parts of what was supposed to be part of the benevolent topic. Two rooms later, I was ready to walk out, when the main speaker asked us to follow him out of the room. Strangely, we were led to a freight elevator, and as the elevator started moving, my "feeling tones" were warning me, "some thing drastically wrong here".  I requested that at the next floor level, I wanted off. At this point with a loud voice the main speaker shouted out in a loud voice " you people are bunch of F--king sheep". I was shocked at the words used. Most of the people on the elevator at this point converged on the speaker and started beating on him. Enraged faces, flying fists, snot, and spit being spewed out, and kicking were aimed at the speaker. In trying to stop the melee, I received some kicks and punches!  As the elevator stopped and the doors opened, four police officers rushed in to break up the beating still going on. Long story short, this was a very revealing event in my life. The rage, anger and facial distortions were real with this group, but the main speaker was a trained professional, with four bodguards to prevent serious injury to him. Yes, it was all part of a well planned special initiation process, but I did benefit and learn well from having experienced it. Was more involved here, but must refrain from saying more.

I wouldn't call that shapeshifting. Shape shifting would be more like someone or thing changing into something else. For example a human changing himself into a dog or another animal, object or whatever it is he/she wishes to morph into. Its not just turning someones face upside down to look evil I mean even I can do that ..

Oh and nice links DH