I want the truth!! Im tired of the lies or deceptions....

[L Lawliet]

Posted by: Baki Hanma

I've noticed though in certain chapters in some books you don't have a practice on how to perform the ability. Like how to see through brick walls and closed books. Even though you talk of it within the "Simple Clairvoyance" chapter.

Hmm... Something to consider before purchasing??

I only focus on exercises for the abilities I consider to have some relevance relative to Spiritual Growth. Walking through walls etc have no relevance in tangible terms, and would only dilute the important exercises for ongoing growth and perfection.

Well Sir Hanma said "see through walls" not "walk through them" . Anyway your point is well understood by me. However, how are we supposed to learn how these abilities are performed then? There aren't;t a lot of reliable sources out there. Can you truly go as far as to state that one with no experience, practical information, knowledge or teacher, can achieve any psychic phenomenon riding on "Belief" and "Faith" alone? Thats like telling a strict born Japanese to speak English without ever having educated himself in any way of the language.

I even thought twice about writing a book about Telekinesis for this reason, because in and of itself it has no value. However, it does teach one extremely important truth - All is One.  The only way to succeed at Telekinesis is to know the "object" we wish to influence is part of us - if you see it as a "seperate" object, then TK would be impossible.

And its a good thing you did write the book . Sir Adrian never say anything doesn't have value. Anything is as valuable as what your willing to give up for it or use it for. Though I have never experience this for myself. I'm quite sure TK can be used for many reasons no matter how small.

[Adrian]

Hello L. Lawliet,

Can you truly go as far as to state that one with no experience, practical information, knowledge or teacher, can achieve any psychic phenomenon riding or "Belief" and "Faith" alone? Thats like telling a strict born Japanese to speak English without ever having educated himself in any way of the language.

For the most part yes - that is correct.

As we are aspect of Source, God, we have all of the same infinite powers of God without limitation, but only to the extent they can be realised.  We have the power to create Stars, Galaxies and Universes subject fundamentally to these three factors:

1. Realising and expressing Source Energy, God, within.
2. Faith in 1. and our infinite powers of Creation.
3. Unshakable Belief in 1. and 2. above

This is why Jesus talks about "Faith" and "Belief" so much, notwithstanding the fact that the theology of orthodox religion interprets them to mean "blind faith" in s deity called "God" and an abstract "belief" in that God, as well as the thelogical representation of "Jesus" and the Bible, and religious doctrines generally.

And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith. And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you -- Luke 17:5-6

And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. -- Matthew 17:20

Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. --Luke 12:32-34

Kind regards,

Adrian.
 

[L Lawliet]

Alright I get you, but knowing how to do something and actually doing it are to different things. How is one to develop any kind of occult or spiritual aspect if one does not possess the knowledge? How can one "Realise and express Source Energy, God, within" if one does not know how to do so in the matter necessary for his/her development. For example, if I wanted to know how to perform TK. I would need a lead, something to work with to get me going. The practical portion at least. I cant just get up and move a table without knowing the right state of mind, what goes on in my mind or what to imagine/visualize, or how to express "Source" energy in that manner to pull it off.

[Adrian]

Hello L Lawliet,

Alright I get you, but knowing how to do something and actually doing it are to different things. How is one to develop any kind of occult or spiritual aspect if one does not possess the knowledge? How can one "Realise and express Source Energy, God, within" if one does not know how to do so in the matter necessary for his/her development. For example, if I wanted to know how to perform TK. I would need a lead, something to work with to get me going. The practical portion at least. I cant just get up and move a table without knowing the right state of mind, what goes on in my mind or what to imagine/visualize, or how to express "Source" energy in that manner to pull it off.

No one can run before they can walk. Everyone is hear to learn by experience and thereby to progress, gaining these abilities in the process.

But occult abilities are not the same as Spiritual abilities. Occult abilities will not help you Spiritually progress in any significant way any more than many mystical ones can.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[L Lawliet]

I only focus on exercises for the abilities I consider to have some relevance relative to Spiritual Growth. Walking through walls etc have no relevance in tangible terms, and would only dilute the important exercises for ongoing growth and perfection.

I even thought twice about writing a book about Telekinesis for this reason, because in and of itself it has no value.

Yet you produce books that would supposedly aid us in gathering wealth, abundance, and material possessions. What does money, or wealth/abundance have to do with spiritual growth?

No one can run before they can walk. Everyone is hear to learn by experience and thereby to progress, gaining these abilities in the process.

But occult abilities are not the same as Spiritual abilities. Occult abilities will not help you Spiritually progress in any significant way any more than many mystical ones can.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

Hmmm. Then can you, if you don't mind that is , explain the difference between "Spiritual Abilities" and "Occult Abilities". I think that may help me understand where your coming from and where I'm going with this.

[Adrian]

Hello L Lawliet,

Yet you produce books that would supposedly aid us in gathering wealth, abundance, and material possessions. What does money, or wealth/abundance have to do with spiritual growth?

Abundance is a fundamental Universal Principle - look around you - the Universe is truly extravagant.

There is nothing wrong with abundance - it is part of expansion - the fact is people get it confused with money and material things as well as greed.

The Universe, Source, God provides us with everything we need and ask for for Spiritual Growth - it is what we do with it that really matters. Providing abundance is kept in the right context, and not confused with material gain for the sake of it, or to impress others, or to satisfy the demands of the ego, then it is fine.

Hmmm. Then can you, if you don't mind that is , explain the difference between "Spiritual Abilities" and "Occult Abilities". I think that may help me understand where your coming from and where I'm going with this.

Occult abilities are such as Astral Projection for example.  There is no such thing as a "Spiritual ability" per se, only abilities that can lead to Spiritual Growth such as meditation.

Telekinesis is neither really - it is simply a natural ability that everyone has if they knew how.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[Baki Hanma]

Baki Hanma Posted
How possible do you believe the ability of physical teleportation. I've read of these avatars being able to travel thru time and space to another location. Would this be physically or just a method of "Remote Viewing"?

Adrian Posted
Teleportation is absolutely real. But again only for those with a high enough level of Mind Power.

Ok so how possible is the ability to speed - slow down or even freeze time? I understand that you cant manipulate "objective time" meaning the time everyone is perceiving and lives by. However, I have experienced some form of Time Distortion where minutes seem alot longer than they should, and yet the person next to me experiences a faster perception in time stating that this was all over too quick. I mean I have read in "Erickson's" book of a lady able to count about over 800 cotton balls within 3 seconds of world time! My question is how would this look to someone witnessing this? Would they be moving super fast or something?

[Cosima]

How possible do you believe the ability of physical teleportation. I've read of these avatars being able to travel thru time and space to another location. Would this be physically or just a method of "Remote Viewing"?

Adrian Posted
Teleportation is absolutely real. But again only for those with a high enough level of Mind Power.

Ok so how possible is the ability to speed - slow down or even freeze time? I understand that you cant manipulate "objective time" meaning the time everyone is perceiving and lives by. However, I have experienced some form of Time Distortion where minutes seem alot longer than they should, and yet the person next to me experiences a faster perception in time stating that this was all over too quick. I mean I have read in "Erickson's" book of a lady able to count about over 800 cotton balls within 3 seconds of world time! My question is how would this look to someone witnessing this? Would they be moving super fast or something?

A witness wouldn't realise anything unusual, I presume!
We really seem to live in different spheres, all of us.
But then we are, of  course, limited in our perceptions.
If we experienced the timelessness of time or the simultaneity of everything there was, is and will be, we would probably go mad, at least it would paralyse us.
At least I think so!

Cosima
from Germany

[Baki Hanma]

Baki Hanma Posted
How possible do you believe the ability of physical teleportation. I've read of these avatars being able to travel thru time and space to another location. Would this be physically or just a method of "Remote Viewing"?

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Adrian Posted
Teleportation is absolutely real. But again only for those with a high enough level of Mind Power.

Ok so how possible is the ability to speed - slow down or even freeze time? I understand that you cant manipulate "objective time" meaning the time everyone is perceiving and lives by. However, I have experienced some form of Time Distortion where minutes seem alot longer than they should, and yet the person next to me experiences a faster perception in time stating that this was all over too quick. I mean I have read in "Erickson's" book of a lady able to count about over 800 cotton balls within 3 seconds of world time! My question is how would this look to someone witnessing this? Would they be moving super fast or something?

A witness wouldn't realise anything unusual, I presume!
We really seem to live in different spheres, all of us.
But then we are, of  course, limited in our perceptions.
If we experienced the timelessness of time or the simultaneity of everything there was, is and will be, we would probably go mad, at least it would paralyse us.
At least I think so!

Hello Cosima

I would imagine so. However I would have to ask. I assumed that under the influence of time distortion, even though I may might be moving at normal speed from my perception. I figured that anyone watching would see me as a blur or in hyper speed or something. Just a though. As far as I know I have never seen anyone under the influence of such time distortion. Although now that I think about it, there was this one time where I was walking down the street. Someone has passed me and I looked back to see the person and he was gone!?! He only passed me for about 2 seconds and there were no corners or alleys  .

This is also how UFOs travel. Obviously if they travelled in the physical Universe they would need to break the laws of physics to travel quickly between destinations. So what they do is to raise the vibration of the ship so it becomes Etheric or Astral and therefore beyond Space-Time, travel instantly to where they wish to go, just as an Astral Projector would for example, and then lower the vibration again to re-materialise in the physical Universe.

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I know I may be out of line by asking this but could you tell me or give me pointers on how to reaise my vibrations as such you described?

[L Lawliet]

There is nothing wrong with abundance - it is part of expansion - the fact is people get it confused with money and material things as well as greed.

I see. However does it ever occur to you that you could be helping in feeding their greed? When you advertise books that will aid people in obtaining more money or wealth, that is what they will focus on the most, not spiritual growth. Books like The Science Of Getting Rich, Think and Grow Rich, what do they have to do with spiritual growth?

I only focus on exercises for the abilities I consider to have some relevance relative to Spiritual Growth. Walking through walls etc have no relevance in tangible terms, and would only dilute the important exercises for ongoing growth and perfection.

Also you teach "Astral Projection" and "O.B.E" methods and though I would personally see them as spiritual growth. A few replies back you classified them as "occult abilities" .

"Adrian - Occult abilities are such as Astral Projection for example.  There is no such thing as a "Spiritual ability" per se, only abilities that can lead to Spiritual Growth such as meditation."

Astral Projection, O.B.E, Clairvoyant, Telepathy, etc to you all have some form of spiritual growth. Yet things like Walking through walls, levitating, Telekinesis, and many of the sciencfiction expressed abilities don't? Wouldn't it be better to say that you would rather teach what you want rather than state that you only teach what will lead to spiritual growth? Any paranormal ability would eventually lead, somewhere down the line, to an "opening up" on the spiritual level or an paranormal level, for it operates outside the realm of physics or logic to say the least.

Forgive me if that sounded rude. It wasn't my intention

And Baki, you wish to achieve "Teleportation" I presume? Adrian stated that you would need to raise your vibration. Maybe you should research on how to raise your vibrations then . Maybe through LOA you can attract the information to you..

[Baki Hanma]

And Baki, you wish to achieve "Teleportation" I presume? Adrian stated that you would need to raise your vibration. Maybe you should research on how to raise your vibrations then . Maybe through LOA you can attract the information to you..

Maybe . I would definitely want to experience as much as I can in this life time. I know I know sounds greedy, well I cant help it . Actually I only want to experience these things to see if it is possible from my own experience. Even though I respect others opinion, even skeptical ones, I still refer to find out myself rather then just go with what others say alone.

Even though I am fascinated to no end of these paranormal abilities. I am only interested in certain ones. Any others that I may practice would only be either for the fun of it or just to see if I can actually do it.

Also, L Lawliet I have found a manual on the Teleportion thing. I just took in consideration of what you said and stated googling it,  . I came across this manual that I would like to share with the forum. If you like reading that is

Teleportation

[Adrian]

Hello L Lawliet,

I see. However does it ever occur to you that you could be helping in feeding their greed? When you advertise books that will aid people in obtaining more money or wealth, that is what they will focus on the most, not spiritual growth. Books like The Science Of Getting Rich, Think and Grow Rich, what do they have to do with spiritual growth?

Quite a lot actually. In order to be able to make use of the Principles described in these books, it is necessary to understand the Principles of the Universe -or at least some of them, including the fundamental Principle - Mind.

It is true that although people start out wishing to attract wealth and material things, in the process of learning how to do so they appreciate the greater Truths, Realities and Purpose, and their priorities change.  I have never known a greedy person succeed with The Law of Attraction.

I only focus on exercises for the abilities I consider to have some relevance relative to Spiritual Growth. Walking through walls etc have no relevance in tangible terms, and would only dilute the important exercises for ongoing growth and perfection.

Also you teach "Astral Projection" and "O.B.E" methods and though I would personally see them as spiritual growth. A few replies back you classified them as "occult abilities" .

"Adrian - Occult abilities are such as Astral Projection for example.  There is no such thing as a "Spiritual ability" per se, only abilities that can lead to Spiritual Growth such as meditation."

Astral Projection, O.B.E, Clairvoyant, Telepathy, etc to you all have some form of spiritual growth. Yet things like Walking through walls, levitating, Telekinesis, and many of the sciencfiction expressed abilities don't? Wouldn't it be better to say that you would rather teach what you want rather than state that you only teach what will lead to spiritual growth? Any paranormal ability would eventually lead, somewhere down the line, to an "opening up" on the spiritual level or an paranormal level, for it operates outside the realm of physics or logic to say the least.

Astral Projection and the other similar abilities are of value for verifying the truth of the continuity of life after the "death" of the physical body, which is an important step in moving beyond the idea of grabbing as many material possessions on Earth to enjoy in an "only life", but has not value for Spiritual Growth in and of itself in the same way as meditation for example.

In Hinduism, the kinds of ability you refer to are known as "Siddhis".

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[L Lawliet]

Oh I see that sounds fair. I'm beginning to like the way you answere these questions . So is it ok to believe that by the methods you do teach, the info you relay in your books, and understanding the universe and how energy can be influence. Then we, on are own, can discover other abilities via practice of another?

Can I for example learn how to perform TK just by learning and studying LOA? In Hanma's case can he achieve physical Teleportation via Astral Projection? I guess what I'm saying is, can learning one spiritual or psychic or paranormal ability, lead  to the development of another?

[Adrian]

Hello L Lawliet,

Oh I see that sounds fair. I'm beginning to like the way you answere these questions . So is it ok to believe that by the methods you do teach, the info you relay in your books, and understanding the universe and how energy can be influence. Then we, on are own, can discover other abilities via practice of another?

Can I for example learn how to perform TK just by learning and studying LOA? In Hanma's case can he achieve physical Teleportation via Astral Projection? I guess what I'm saying is, can learning one spiritual or psychic or paranormal ability, lead  to the development of another?

It depends entirely on the ability. But almst every ability requires on one fundamental factor - deep, unwavering concentration, and in many case deep physical relexation and/or imagination.  I would not say that TK and LOA are very much related in these respects.

These are cornerstones of success for any mystical or occult ability, without which they will either be difficult or impossible.

Spiritual evolution does not require these things for the most part, because it is a much more fundamantal aspect of our Being - Who we Are.  For example subjugation of the Ego, Unconditional Love, service to others before service to self, do not rely on the above - they rather rely on "becoming" these things through desire, focus and committment as well as actual practice.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[Baki Hanma]

L, you sound like your interested in learning how to perform these things as well. Here is an interesting article in developing supernatural abilities.

"Before you read further, I'd like to mention that the word "supernatural" may to some people seem to refer to something that goes against nature. Nothing could be further from truth. All abilities are developed in accord with natural laws. However, the natural laws do go beyond the world of Newtonian physics and move into the realm of quantum physics. These natural laws are laws of mind and spirit and these can and do over-ride the known laws of physics - as they relate to the physical dimension of experience.

There are two ways of living in this world - at-one with the Infinite or separate from the Infinite. When you experience yourself at-one with the Infinite, it is said that you are God-Realized being; when you experience yourself separate from the infinite, it is said that you are still in mortal consciousness.

The entire difference is in what do you choose to identify yourself with. If you identify yourself with your physical body, you are in mortal consciousness and as long as you are in mortal consciousness, whatever you can accomplish will be in some way limited. Since the vast majority of people on this planet are in "mortal consciousness", they consider as "natural" only that which their mortal (physical) senses can behold.

If you identify yourself with Infinite Spirit, then you are in spiritual consciousness, merged with the Ocean of Infinite Love, Power and Wisdom, with the infinite ocean of energy. When you are in that state of consciousness, supernatural abilities appear spontaneously and without asking for them. They are merely a natural expression of the Infinite.

There are also many people - spiritual seekers - who go around "seeking" this state of consciousness. It is not something you "seek", but rather something you accept and then live it, because it is already what you are. Seeking it is pretty much like a fish in water, swimming madly around trying to figure out where is water.

While this Spirit is not limited to the air- it is in the air and in absolutely every spark of creation - the closest element I could use to describe it is air. You don't go around looking for air to breathe - you just breathe it. And together with the air, you breathe in the spirit, the life-force.

There are some people who embark upon the spiritual path and then they hear from someone that it doesn't matter whether they do any spiritual practice or they don't because they are already It. But there is a big difference between being It and truly knowing that you are It, experiencing yourself as It. This would compare to having all the treasure of the world, yet not having a clue how to access it, how to use it and how to do with it, and most importantly how to live in harmony with It, how to express It. If they struggle to make a living, if they are unhappy, if they are not feeling truly fulfilled, then they have not yet gotten acquainted with It. They may know Spirit as an idea, but not as a real, living experience. When you truly KNOW IT, then you LIVE IT.

In order to get anywhere with your development of supernatural powers, you have to leave the world of physical dimension - in your consciousness - and to begin looking at a world from the perspective of energy, consciousness and spirit.

The entire practice is summed up beautifully in "Life and Teachings of the Masters of the Far East":

"Stop for a moment and just think of the allness of God or Primal Cause with no beginning or end, with universal scope, and surround yourself in this. As you become faithful and worship this, and this alone, ONE GOD, ONE ALMIGHTY PRESENCE - you will find that the vibrations of your body will change from the human to the God or Primal vibration. As you think, live, move and become one with this vibration, you do worship; and what you worship, you idealize, you become."
There are many ways and methods of practice to help you to get into the correct mind-set, and one of the books that can help you in this respect is A Course in Miracles. If you wholeheartedly work with A Course in Miracles, your perception of the world will completely change.

This brief excerpt that follows regarding the development of supernatural powers is extracted from Yoga Sutras of Patanjali.

All supernatural powers are developed through the practice of concentration, meditation and absorption.

Concentration consists of holding the mind fixed upon the Inner Light and the power/ability you desire to attain.  To do this, you can imagine yourself standing in the center of the sphere of dazzling, brilliant white Light, allowing everything else to fade from your awareness.

Meditation is a prolonged concentration. Ordinarily a thought-wave arises, remains in the mind for a moment, and then subsides, to be succeeded by another wave.  In the practice of meditation, a succession of identical waves are raised in the mind; and this is done so quickly that no wave is allowed to subside before another rises to take its place.  The effect is one of perfect continuity.

After your mind has been focused on a single thought through meditation for some time, you'll reach the stage of absorption.  At this point you'll feel that you have completely merged with the object of your focus, that there is no longer separation between you and what you are contemplating, but instead that you have become the very idea you have been focused on.

It has been said that if the mind can be made to flow uninterruptedly toward the same object for 12 seconds, this may be called concentration.

If the mind can continue in that concentration for 12 x 12 seconds (2 minutes and 24 seconds), this may be called meditation.

If the mind can continue in that meditation for 12 x 2 minutes and 24 seconds, (28 minutes and 48 seconds) this may be called lower absorption.

And if this absorption can be maintained for 12 times that period (5 hours, 45 minutes, and 36 seconds) this may be called total absorption.

By completing the above process on any specific ability or strength, one obtains that ability or strength.

All these and many other powers of knowledge may also come to one whose mind is spontaneously enlightened through purity.

The more specific list of powers is listed in The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali.

In simple words, all that this excerpt from The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali says is to sit down and focus upon that (the ability) you desire to express, until you become it within you, in your inner world.

While all these powers may be impressive in the worldly sense, they are considered obstacles on the spiritual path, or rather, attachment to these powers is considered an obstacle, as is attachment to anything else.

As I mentioned above, all the powers you desire and even some you might not even have dreamed of will emerge spontaneously if you sit down in meditation and pretend that you already are ALL THERE IS, until the realization flashed into your conscious awareness from within you. This, too, does not require struggle, but rather a childlike playful spirit. The more lighthearted your approach, the faster will you make progress. If you open your heart completely to the Infinite, you will progress at a lightning speed, simply because through love you will demonstrate that you are completely willing and ready to KNOW YOUR TRUE NATURE now. "

This was taking from this site; Deep Trance Now