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Baki Hanma
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« on: December 07, 2007, 04:11:38 »

Why is it ok for animals to kill but not humans?

Do animals posses a soul or a spirit?

Are they judged by God when they die?

Are people for that matter?

Does God even exist in a manner or way it is believe in many religions?

Do heaven and hell truely exist?

Is it true that Good and evil are only illusions or human concepts this world?

A person that truely experiences joy and bliss (as an old lady planting a gaurden) by commiting vbarious criminal acts consisting or robbery or life taken truely be considered evil? Ever hear of those marriages where either the wife or husband have killed their one another and claimed it was out of love; i.e - I killed you because I loved you...

What happens when you die if, by our conscepts, you lived a bad life of causing pain and misery towards others. In other words what will happen to all those rappist and cerial killers of this world?



The reason I ask these questions is because things like this have been floating around in my head ever since I was a child. Everyone have their own concept or belief of what happens but I want the truth. I have asked similar questions before but people just look at me funny grin. I always wondered that maybe certain people cant help the way they are? The way they was raised, brought up, influeced by their surroundings, and how they are taught right from wrong. Is it fair for their soul to be judged after all they were doing what they believed in right? If right and wrong are truely only human concepts this world then that would mean that their are no such thing as right and wrong, correct.
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People live there lives bound by what they accept as right and wrong, true and false, correct and incorrect. That is how one defines reality!

But what does it mean to be correct, true or false? Hmm, merely vage concepts. Their reality may be a mirage!
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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2007, 21:27:55 »

Why is it ok for animals to kill but not humans?
Do animals posses a soul or a spirit?
Are they judged by God when they die?
Are people for that matter?
Does God even exist in a manner or way it is believe in many religions?
Do heaven and hell truely exist?
Is it true that Good and evil are only illusions or human concepts this world?

A person that truely experiences joy and bliss (as an old lady planting a gaurden) by commiting vbarious criminal acts consisting or robbery or life taken truely be considered evil? Ever hear of those marriages where either the wife or husband have killed their one another and claimed it was out of love; i.e - I killed you because I loved you...

What happens when you die if, by our conscepts, you lived a bad life of causing pain and misery towards others. In other words what will happen to all those rappist and cerial killers of this world?


The reason I ask these questions is because things like this have been floating around in my head ever since I was a child. Everyone have their own concept or belief of what happens but I want the truth. I have asked similar questions before but people just look at me funny grin. I always wondered that maybe certain people cant help the way they are? The way they was raised, brought up, influeced by their surroundings, and how they are taught right from wrong. Is it fair for their soul to be judged after all they were doing what they believed in right? If right and wrong are truely only human concepts this world then that would mean that their are no such thing as right and wrong, correct.

Hello Baki Hanma,
All are worthwhile questions. I would post my thoughts, but that is not what you are asking for is it. You want truth, not thoughts. The real problem, from my point of view, is only God could give you the real truth, any others to my knowledge could only offer theory, and conjecture. If one were advanced enough to actually "know" what you are asking, proving it to another, has us right back at "is it true". Did post some of my thoughts on this forum, on heaven and hell, but it is still, perhaps only my thoughts. Unconditional love, appears to answer a lot of questions,from what I read, but I cannot prove that. Yet it makes sense if given serious thought. Be interesting to see what else shows up here.
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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2007, 23:28:53 »

Your  right I do want the truth from those who know it without a doubt. Those who been here and there in the past and can remember. Those who have visited the other worlds and witness the real truth with their own eyes or senses of whatever type possed in such a place.

I dont mean to be rude Talker. Of course you can post your thoughts. Im dont mean to limit anyone, I feel it a good idea to at least talk about it even if no one actually knows about it  grin
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People live there lives bound by what they accept as right and wrong, true and false, correct and incorrect. That is how one defines reality!

But what does it mean to be correct, true or false? Hmm, merely vage concepts. Their reality may be a mirage!
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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2007, 03:09:01 »

Hello Baki Hanma,

I covert this issue extensively in my book in the chapter "Respect for all Life and Truth of Nutrition"


Why is it ok for animals to kill but not humans?

Do animals posses a soul or a spirit?


They possess both. Everything in creation is Spirit. Humans, in their Ego oriented World have simply elevated themselves above animals and other forms of life. 

Animals are part of a natural food chain orchestrated by Divine Providence. Humans are the only animal to exceed the provisions of that food chain and do so by a very large margin. The natural food of humans is harvestable vegetable based whole foods including fruits, nuts, pulses etc., which is in fact what my own diet exclusively consists of.

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Are they judged by God when they die?

Are people for that matter

No Being in the Universe is judged by God - or anyone for that matter except for perhaps other humans.

We progress  in accordance with our own actions and Mind, in accordance with immutable Universal Principles.

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Does God even exist in a manner or way it is believe in many religions?


No. God is not a deity. God is everytone and everything in creation including us.

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Do heaven and hell truely exist?

Not as depicted by religion as "hell" down below and "Heaven" up there. There is no "up" or "down" only inwards, and our experience always precisely matches our state of evolution, character and expectations of what we will find after "death"

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Is it true that Good and evil are only illusions or human concepts this world?


Yes absolutely true. There is no "good" and "evil" only Experience.

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A person that truely experiences joy and bliss (as an old lady planting a gaurden) by commiting vbarious criminal acts consisting or robbery or life taken truely be considered evil? Ever hear of those marriages where either the wife or husband have killed their one another and claimed it was out of love; i.e - I killed you because I loved you...

What happens when you die if, by our conscepts, you lived a bad life of causing pain and misery towards others. In other words what will happen to all those rappist and cerial killers of this world?[/i]


They will transition to a part of the lower Astral worlds that most precisely matches their vibration and characteristics. Such a world might seem dark, damp, oppressive, with trees devoid of leaves etc, and which will be populated by people of the same low vibration. They will occupy themselves attempting to kill each other, harm each other, steal from each other etc, until they learn from the experiene and move on.

Every level of the Universe is a self created learning experience except for Source Who is Perfect, and the objective of us all.

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The reason I ask these questions is because things like this have been floating around in my head ever since I was a child. Everyone have their own concept or belief of what happens but I want the truth. I have asked similar questions before but people just look at me funny grin. I always wondered that maybe certain people cant help the way they are? The way they was raised, brought up, influeced by their surroundings, and how they are taught right from wrong. Is it fair for their soul to be judged after all they were doing what they believed in right? If right and wrong are truely only human concepts this world then that would mean that their are no such thing as right and wrong, correct.

We all create our own reality and know what conditions we will be born in to as selected by our Higher Self. There are no excuses.

We are here to evolve through experience, it is just that humanity generally is at this time so steeped in the Ego and materialism, as well as under the control of various power and control seeking factions, that humanity is oblivious to this illusion, very similar to "The Matrix" that they have trapped themselves in.

This is all changing though as we experience the Transition. Earth will be a very different place in the not too distant "future".

Kind regards,

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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2007, 03:14:44 »

Hello Talker,

My book, Our Ultimate Reality, was inspired to address all of these most important issues, and does.

I find that people intuitively recognise the truth when they see it or hear it because the truth is within and can never be deceived.

The issue is that most people are only exposed to deceipt, lies and the illusion of the material world, which leads to confusion, especially when there are so many versions of the "truth" floating around these days.

Again though - I assure you that when you read the absolute Truth, you will recognise it as such - everyone does.

Kind regards,

Adrian.


Why is it ok for animals to kill but not humans?
Do animals posses a soul or a spirit?
Are they judged by God when they die?
Are people for that matter?
Does God even exist in a manner or way it is believe in many religions?
Do heaven and hell truely exist?
Is it true that Good and evil are only illusions or human concepts this world?

A person that truely experiences joy and bliss (as an old lady planting a gaurden) by commiting vbarious criminal acts consisting or robbery or life taken truely be considered evil? Ever hear of those marriages where either the wife or husband have killed their one another and claimed it was out of love; i.e - I killed you because I loved you...

What happens when you die if, by our conscepts, you lived a bad life of causing pain and misery towards others. In other words what will happen to all those rappist and cerial killers of this world?


The reason I ask these questions is because things like this have been floating around in my head ever since I was a child. Everyone have their own concept or belief of what happens but I want the truth. I have asked similar questions before but people just look at me funny grin. I always wondered that maybe certain people cant help the way they are? The way they was raised, brought up, influeced by their surroundings, and how they are taught right from wrong. Is it fair for their soul to be judged after all they were doing what they believed in right? If right and wrong are truely only human concepts this world then that would mean that their are no such thing as right and wrong, correct.

Hello Baki Hanma,
All are worthwhile questions. I would post my thoughts, but that is not what you are asking for is it. You want truth, not thoughts. The real problem, from my point of view, is only God could give you the real truth, any others to my knowledge could only offer theory, and conjecture. If one were advanced enough to actually "know" what you are asking, proving it to another, has us right back at "is it true". Did post some of my thoughts on this forum, on heaven and hell, but it is still, perhaps only my thoughts. Unconditional love, appears to answer a lot of questions,from what I read, but I cannot prove that. Yet it makes sense if given serious thought. Be interesting to see what else shows up here.
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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2007, 10:52:09 »

Hello Talker,

My book, Our Ultimate Reality, was inspired to address all of these most important issues, and does.

I find that people intuitively recognise the truth when they see it or hear it because the truth is within and can never be deceived.

The issue is that most people are only exposed to deceipt, lies and the illusion of the material world, which leads to confusion, especially when there are so many versions of the "truth" floating around these days.

Again though - I assure you that when you read the absolute Truth, you will recognise it as such - everyone does.

Kind regards,

Adrian.


Why is it ok for animals to kill but not humans?
Do animals posses a soul or a spirit?
Are they judged by God when they die?
Are people for that matter?
Does God even exist in a manner or way it is believe in many religions?
Do heaven and hell truely exist?
Is it true that Good and evil are only illusions or human concepts this world?

A person that truely experiences joy and bliss (as an old lady planting a gaurden) by commiting vbarious criminal acts consisting or robbery or life taken truely be considered evil? Ever hear of those marriages where either the wife or husband have killed their one another and claimed it was out of love; i.e - I killed you because I loved you...

What happens when you die if, by our conscepts, you lived a bad life of causing pain and misery towards others. In other words what will happen to all those rappist and cerial killers of this world?


The reason I ask these questions is because things like this have been floating around in my head ever since I was a child. Everyone have their own concept or belief of what happens but I want the truth. I have asked similar questions before but people just look at me funny grin. I always wondered that maybe certain people cant help the way they are? The way they was raised, brought up, influeced by their surroundings, and how they are taught right from wrong. Is it fair for their soul to be judged after all they were doing what they believed in right? If right and wrong are truely only human concepts this world then that would mean that their are no such thing as right and wrong, correct.

Hello Baki Hanma,
All are worthwhile questions. I would post my thoughts, but that is not what you are asking for is it. You want truth, not thoughts. The real problem, from my point of view, is only God could give you the real truth, any others to my knowledge could only offer theory, and conjecture. If one were advanced enough to actually "know" what you are asking, proving it to another, has us right back at "is it true". Did post some of my thoughts on this forum, on heaven and hell, but it is still, perhaps only my thoughts. Unconditional love, appears to answer a lot of questions,from what I read, but I cannot prove that. Yet it makes sense if given serious thought. Be interesting to see what else shows up here.
Be Well


Hello Adrian & Baki Hanma,

What a delightful exchange of comments. Baki, I understood your questions and request fully, so I complied answer wise, in my manner of doing so. As Adrian mentions, one needs to go "within" for answers. Not able to speak for others, so when what I call "feeling tones" are activated within me, regards the validity of a belief or concept, I listen, test and learn from them. You might take a look at my blog post # 2, in Nothing But The Truth.
There I offer my viewpoints on what truth can be.
http://dependsonwhosetruth.blogspot.com/2006/12/truth-is-like-rubber-band.html
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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2007, 11:44:55 »

Hello Talker,

Excellent points the most important of which is that the Truth really is within.

As aspects of Source, we have access to the combined knowledge of everything in the entire Universe including parallel physical Universes and all inner dimensions - there is nothing that is not available to us, and nothing that is not possible.

If infants were taught this and how to accomplish it from a young age, schools would not be necessary, because they would always have instant access to everything, including vast realms of knowledge as yet unknown to humanity. Every major invention, innovation and development arrives from this Source - never, ever from the "brain" of humans. Many of the greatest scientists actually said that their ideas just "came to them" while effectively in an altered state of consciousness, and some even placed themselves into an altered state of consciousness. I myself consciously connect with Source almost constantly, which is why I know that what I say is true- for me anyway - and which is why so many people tell me that it resonates true for them as well.

There are very few people that will follow the doctrines of religions, belief systems and even "new age" ideas and intuitively believe them to be true, which is one reason they gain no benefit. They are going through the actions at a conscious level out of hope or wishful thinking, while intuitively feeling at a Subconscious and inner level that it is simply not true or real. To manifest anything into our experience, we must Feel it is true Now.

Children from a young age however are immediately taught the ways of the material world. They are given tactile material toys to play with, and told to "stop imagining things" which is just about the worst instruction to give to a child - you might as well tell the child to go ahead and disconnect from reality there and then.

Later most children, my son's were not, are indoctrinated by parents, relatives and later teachers into the expectations of "society" to which they are told they must conform or be an outcast, after which the damage is almost complete. The child is fully programmed, and most are running on that program, within their "station in life" for the rest of their incarnation, while complaing about their "lot".

If only they knew that, as Divine, immortal, infinite Beings, expressions of Source, of God, they could be, do or have anything without limits.

All is not lost - far from it. As we enter the transition of the ages, and the barriers between consciousness and vibration thin, and as more people awaken from the matrix they have been willingly trapped in, more and more people are making and extending that connection within until we reach a critical mass of consciousness over the next few years after which it will escalate.

During the coure of my services over the years I can state one truth emphatically - everyone intuitively feels the Truth when they experience it.

Kind regards,

Adrian.




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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2007, 20:21:36 »

Yes I can tell you now that I have read many books on spiritualism and psychic phenomenon. They all practically say the same thing but in different view points and from their own interpretation as author. To be honest at first your books seemed no different. However for some strange reason your books are ever more pulling than any of the books I've read. The books I have from Developing Psychic Powers and most recently Our Ultimate Reality I seem to resonate strongly with them. I cant really explain why. To be honest they way you explain it isn't that much different from other resources, at least to me, except you seem to fill in all the blanks and misinterpretations from the others .

Started recently every night I would a read a chapter or two from the "Our Ultimate Reality" book. I like every bit of it so far and enjoy reading it. It does feel that what is in this book is the truth I mean other resource seems to leave either somewhat relieved or confused even more cheesy. Every now and again I would skip ahead to certain chapters to learn from what I am seeking. Last night I read the chapters "What Happens After Death" and "Reincarnation", actually I'm still on that last one..

From reading them many questions of mines were answered but more popped up grin:

You said that when we die we go to the Astral Worlds, and if your parants or other loved ones aren't there yet then you will be adopted into another family right? My question is how would you look, lol? Would you take on the appearance of your previous life or your true self?

Is it possible to have sex in the spirit worlds? Sorry I grin had to ask that one being that you stated that it wouldn't seem that much different from the world you just left cheesy. For that matter how does spirits reproduce or do they?

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Do heaven and hell truly exist?


Not as depicted by religion as "hell" down below and "Heaven" up there. There is no "up" or "down" only inwards, and our experience always precisely matches our state of evolution, character and expectations of what we will find after "death"

So theres nothing like you will burn in hell for all eternity than right? Everyone no matter how evil will eventually proceed to the higher realms then once they've learned what they've learned from down there?

What happens when you die if, by our concepts, you lived a bad life of causing pain and misery towards others. In other words what will happen to all those rapist and cereal killers of this world?[/quote]



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They will transition to a part of the lower Astral worlds that most precisely matches their vibration and characteristics. Such a world might seem dark, damp, oppressive, with trees devoid of leaves etc, and which will be populated by people of the same low vibration. They will occupy themselves attempting to kill each other, harm each other, steal from each other etc, until they learn from the experience and move on.

Every level of the Universe is a self created learning experience except for Source Who is Perfect, and the objective of us all.

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We all create our own reality and know what conditions we will be born in to as selected by our Higher Self. There are no excuses.

We are here to evolve through experience, it is just that humanity generally is at this time so steeped in the Ego and materialism, as well as under the control of various power and control seeking factions, that humanity is oblivious to this illusion, very similar to "The Matrix" that they have trapped themselves in.

This is all changing though as we experience the Transition. Earth will be a very different place in the not too distant "future".

So your saying that the "Higher Self" may choose to incarnate as an evil person just to reek havoc on others just for their own selfish purpose of learning? In other words your "Higherself" already knows what life your going to live even before your flesh body is created? If the goal is to transcend to the highest level to Source or God that why would a persons "Higherself" choose to hinder that progress but purposely incarnating into a life that will most definitely lower its vibration to the point where it must suffer practically that same thing on earth once the body dies? Cause then the spirit will be place in the lower astral world right? And just to it could eventually proceed upward. That doesn't make any sense to me huh. What could the higherself possibly have to learn by lowering its vibration? Maybe I misinterpreted something here, which I believe I did, lol. Please correct me...

In one of the chapters I was reading above. It was stated that everyone will meet their parents or loved ones eventually in the next world. But what if the already deceased needs to reincarnate and does so before its parents or loved ones get there? How would they meet again if they are now back on earth will the parants have just truly made it home?
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But what does it mean to be correct, true or false? Hmm, merely vage concepts. Their reality may be a mirage!
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« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2007, 03:52:45 »

Hello Baki Hanma,

Thank you very much for your comments which I really appreciate.

I personally have not even the slightest doubt that what I write is the absolute truth - I never write anything that I do not personally believe and know to be the absolute truth.

That said, I do caution at the end of my book that my truth might not be your truth - you will intuitively know if it is - anything that does not feel true you must disregard until you find your own truth in those areas.

My book was inspired and written for humanity at this crucial time, so you can be sure I have made every effort to be complete and accurate as well as written in a way that is understandable by all.

Regarding your questions:

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You said that when we die we go to the Astral Worlds, and if your parants or other loved ones aren't there yet then you will be adopted into another family right? My question is how would you look, lol? Would you take on the appearance of your previous life or your true self?

Is it possible to have sex in the spirit worlds? Sorry I grin had to ask that one being that you stated that it wouldn't seem that much different from the world you just left cheesy. For that matter how does spirits reproduce or do they?


It depends on your "age" or level of maturity when you left Earth. I suppose it is like your child leaving home after they can care for themselves - if you are independent here they will be independent there also.

When the transition from physical to non-physical is made, the person is identical in every way to how they were on Earth, but in a non-physical body. A child therefore will still need to be card for or guided, even though technically they will no longer be child, that term implying "age" which does not exist in the Astral.  The child will really need and always receive guidance.


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Do heaven and hell truly exist?


Not as depicted by religion as "hell" down below and "Heaven" up there. There is no "up" or "down" only inwards, and our experience always precisely matches our state of evolution, character and expectations of what we will find after "death"

"Heaven" and "hell". are theological doctrines. The concept of "Hell" was contrived as an instrument of control by the early church at about the same time as they removed the truth of reincarnation. The main function of the church is to control through fear and guilt, and "hell" is an instrument of fear, much like the so called "war on terror" created by the people who control the US government.

That said, there are "hell-like" planes in the Astral. Where a person migrates to in the Astral after passing on is entirely dependant on the vibration of their Astra-Mental body, which in turn is a perfect reflection of their individuality. A murderer for example would have a low vibration, and therefore in accordance with the Universal Principle of correspondence will transition to the identical vibration level in the Astral which will perfectly match their character. These places are very dismal places, but the residents there might initially feel right at home.

"Heaven" does not exist in the religious sense, as the "place" good people go to after"death" and where "God" sits on his throne. To me the "Heaven worlds" are the great Spiritual planes beyond the Astral, and beyond form.

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So theres nothing like you will burn in hell for all eternity than right? Everyone no matter how evil will eventually proceed to the higher realms then once they've learned what they've learned from down there?


That is correct. "The burn in hell" doctrine is a religious instrument of control by fear and nothing else.


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What happens when you die if, by our concepts, you lived a bad life of causing pain and misery towards others. In other words what will happen to all those rapist and cereal killers of this world?

See above. They will transition to a plane that perfectly matches their characteristics, where they will experience and eventually learn at which point their vibration increases and they will transition to more pleasant environments.


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They will transition to a part of the lower Astral worlds that most precisely matches their vibration and characteristics. Such a world might seem dark, damp, oppressive, with trees devoid of leaves etc, and which will be populated by people of the same low vibration. They will occupy themselves attempting to kill each other, harm each other, steal from each other etc, until they learn from the experience and move on.

Every level of the Universe is a self created learning experience except for Source Who is Perfect, and the objective of us all.

Exactly Smiley

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So your saying that the "Higher Self" may choose to incarnate as an evil person just to reek havoc on others just for their own selfish purpose of learning? In other words your "Higherself" already knows what life your going to live even before your flesh body is created? If the goal is to transcend to the highest level to Source or God that why would a persons "Higherself" choose to hinder that progress but purposely incarnating into a life that will most definitely lower its vibration to the point where it must suffer practically that same thing on earth once the body dies? Cause then the spirit will be place in the lower astral world right? And just to it could eventually proceed upward. That doesn't make any sense to me huh. What could the higherself possibly have to learn by lowering its vibration? Maybe I misinterpreted something here, which I believe I did, lol. Please correct me...

"Good" and "evil" are humans concepts which do not exist - there is only experience. The Higher Self would not be complete without experiencing a wide range of characters and circumstances, and so everyone has incarnations of both extremes and everything in between as both genders. Ultimately of course the Light, high Vibration prevails as we become perfected, and that is one of the truths of life.
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In one of the chapters I was reading above. It was stated that everyone will meet their parents or loved ones eventually in the next world. But what if the already deceased needs to reincarnate and does so before its parents or loved ones get there? How would they meet again if they are now back on earth will the parants have just truly made it home?

Each individuality only reincarnates once - there is great misunderstanding about this.

The incarnations originate from the Higher Self which sends different aspects of Itself to Earth, in the same way as Source, God, sends different aspects of itself as Higher Selves - this is one reason we are "made in the image of God".

So people you know remain in the Astral until they learn from that illusion and then transition back to the Higher Self with that "package" of experience. It is possible this transition could occur before a relative arrives, but those on a higher vibration can always visit those on a lower vibration, but not the other way around. So a person can always communicate telepathically with another, and "request" a meeting.

The entire process is Perfect as you would expect of a Perfect Universe.

Kind regards,

Adrian.


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« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2007, 16:44:17 »

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ok now I'm confused?? I thought you can reincarnate like millions and trillions of times huh
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« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2007, 18:38:45 »

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Each individuality only reincarnates once - there is great misunderstanding about this.

ok now I'm confused?? I thought you can reincarnate like millions and trillions of times huh

Hello all,
Will be interesting to watch as this plays through, Individuality and personalities.
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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2007, 02:54:44 »

Hello Baki Hanma,

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Each individuality only reincarnates once - there is great misunderstanding about this.

ok now I'm confused?? I thought you can reincarnate like millions and trillions of times huh

I said there was often a misunderstanding about this Smiley

It is the Higher Self that sends personalities to Earth or other physical planet.

Each personality is an aspect of the Higher Self, just as each Higher Self is an aspect of Source, God and therefore each personality is an aspect of Source.

The commonly held idea about reincarnation is that we arrive on Earth, pass on, arrive back in the Astral, then return to Earth again and so on - this is not correct.

The Higher Self sends numerous personalities into every timeline relative to Earth "time" concurrently. These personalities can be any race, gender, location etc, being determined by what experience the Higher Self requires to become more complete and therefore perfect.

So each personality incarnates, passes on to the Astral, unless already evolved and was on Earth perhaps for another reason in which case they will return to the inner sphere from which they came - those Beings such as "Ascended Masters" and Jesus, Buddah etc. are in this category - and then continues to evolve in the Astral until the illusion of the Astral is realised, e.g. the illusion of form, after which the personality evolves back to the Higher Self with its package of information, which adds to the perfection of both Higher Self and Source.

This article I wrote might help you further:

http://www.ourultimatereality.com/wheels-of-life-part-1-reincarnation.html

Kind regards,

Adrian.


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« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2007, 12:12:44 »

Hello Baki Hanma,

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Each individuality only reincarnates once - there is great misunderstanding about this.
ok now I'm confused?? I thought you can reincarnate like millions and trillions of times huh
I said there was often a misunderstanding about this Smiley
It is the Higher Self that sends personalities to Earth or other physical planet.
Each personality is an aspect of the Higher Self, just as each Higher Self is an aspect of Source, God and therefore each personality is an aspect of Source.

The commonly held idea about reincarnation is that we arrive on Earth, pass on, arrive back in the Astral, then return to Earth again and so on - this is not correct.

The Higher Self sends numerous personalities into every timeline relative to Earth "time" concurrently. These personalities can be any race, gender, location etc, being determined by what experience the Higher Self requires to become more complete and therefore perfect.

So each personality incarnates, passes on to the Astral, unless already evolved and was on Earth perhaps for another reason in which case they will return to the inner sphere from which they came - those Beings such as "Ascended Masters" and Jesus, Buddah etc. are in this category - and then continues to evolve in the Astral until the illusion of the Astral is realised, e.g. the illusion of form, after which the personality evolves back to the Higher Self with its package of information, which adds to the perfection of both Higher Self and Source.
This article I wrote might help you further:
http://www.ourultimatereality.com/wheels-of-life-part-1-reincarnation.html
Kind regards,
Adrian.

Hello Adrian and All,
Reincarnation is indeed a difficult topic for many. Had to wrestle with it, when decades ago I was reading so many variations about it. So I settled down with certain beliefs that were or seemed in accord with my "feeling tones". So wheels of life was not a strange topic, but here, I must pay my complements to you, on how you described it, with a diagram of an actual wheel. Thank you.  Have not used the reincarnation, as such, in my posts, but if one were to read my :
The Psychics Blog -  http://thepsychicsblog.blogspot.com/     
one will see how I did address the situation in various posts, without actually using the word. Those subjects I do post on in some instances, are already straining credibility on how psychic ability can comes into play.  Didn't want to create more confusion, so only hinted at it. Well done Adrian.
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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2007, 16:45:16 »

Hello Talker,

Thank you very much indeed, and congratulations once again on your excellent blogs which I enjoy reading.

These are indeed difficult topics, especially for people who encounter a wide range of often convoluted views.

But the Universe is not only perfect, it is also simple - it is humans that complicate it or should I say mystify it Smiley

Plain and simple we are made in the image of God. God has sent forth countless channels of expression and experience which is all life in the Universe.

Our Higher Self, made in the Image of God also therefore sends out countless channels of expression and experience representing each individual incarnation which takes place concurrently along different timelines relative to the Earth experience of "time".

It is beautifully simple and perfect. The more channels of expression and experience Source experiences, each with total freewill, the more perfect will be the whole, and the same applies to the Higher Self, made in the image of God.

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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2007, 17:03:07 »

But if the Higher Self is perfect then why does it have to learn anything? What can something so perfect have to learn in the first place? Or is our human understanding of perfection some what diminish in meaning of the word perfect?

Oh and even though I believe what your saying is true Adrian, it is still sometimes hard to understand. My feelings tell me that this is all correct yet my mind does not grasp it fully. Its like being in high school all over again taking tests where you somehow arrive at the correct answer but is unsure of how it happened or how to do it smiley.
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