i asked, now im beggin!!!

[juliainkc]

Hi Bakichan,

WOW!! Right On Brother!! It has been such a pleasure to evolve with you here truly and you know what I am expressing.

Love for you and InJoyment in observing you shift, shift, shifting and I am shifting along with you.

G, you are blessed to have Big Brothers like Bakichan. As many fingers and toes you have, Count your Blessings.

And, I see that Talker has Lovingly given you a kick in the seat of your patootie like Baki here.

Love to you Bakichan, G and All, (and to Talker in the other room)

Find something to bring you Joy today G, even if it is noticing that you are breathing. There must be a purpose for that...

Julia

[Kadensnga]

It becomes increasingly frustrating for those like "G", when the spiritual world makes claims that it cannot stand behind, nor prove..., and it also harms the credibility of those dubbed "spiritual" when serious questions are skirted around for lack of solid answers... Love of spiritual principles does not suffer in the saying that "Spirituality wont grow muscles on your body without working out". Spirituality is for spiritual growth... weights are for physical growth... mincing words does not help.

The proof is always in the eating of the pudding... who can argue with this?

Thats what Im saying "G" spiritual growth is for the spirit, and physical growth is for the body...

I'm telling you that we cannot produce one shred of actual "evidence" to the contrary. Until then... love spirituality because you love spirit only... not because you seek physical gain. Thats all it is... Love your mate because of who they are...not because of how much money they can benefit you with or for security...

While we are talking about these things... someone else is building an olympic body in the gym as they listen to spiritual teaching for motivation and to assist their inward drive.

I, like Baki, am not saying this truth is absolute, and that you cant reach a place where you can literally "think" your body into another form... however, what I am saying is that nobody here, or anywhere that I know of is DOING it... so the questions you ask can only be answered with speculation at best. ... you have to find them from yourself.

I know this doesnt sound romantic or esoteric... but do you want to be romanced? Is that what spirituality is Romance and Poetry...? Are we poets or Gods?

Love spirit because you love spirit.

Namaste,
John


Ps. We can theorize and extrapolate... but as I have found and many others in business and otherwise... just because something makes sense when you extrapolate, and things work in theory...doesn't mean they work. Theorizing is when something makes sense in theory... not taking into consideration unknown variables... but doesnt work in reality...

Until we make these things work...we are theorizing and extrapolating... they sound nice, but no cigar.

Quantum physics has proven that alot of things may be possible... but still has yet to produce limbs by the power of thinking... though in theory it should work.

Stick to what works. Love God for the sake of love itself.

[juliainkc]

Hi John and All,

It becomes increasingly frustrating for those like "G", when the spiritual world makes claims that it cannot stand behind, nor prove..., and it also harms the credibility of those dubbed "spiritual" when serious questions are skirted around for lack of solid answers... Love of spiritual principles does not suffer in the saying that "Spirituality wont grow muscles on your body without working out". Spirituality is for spiritual growth... weights are for physical growth... mincing words does not help.

The proof is always in the eating of the pudding... who can argue with this?

I appreciate you sharing your thoughts here John and I can relate to the way G feels and what you are sharing in agreement with him.

The proof is in what is coming out of the person saying it. Our thoughts reveal what is inside of our Hearts by what comes out of our mouths on a consistent basis. And this materializes in our actions, we demonstrate our most consistent thoughts. So, our physical manifestations reveal what is really behind the words we speak, the bringer of our actions.  Our actions do not create our thoughts. It just seems this way to us until we turn our view around.

Can you see your breath? Without the props of an icy cold wind. This allows us to see what we know is already in us. Can you draw a picture of what your breath looks like in its unseen - ness? Does this mean you are without breath? We define by using word pictures, what an  unseen idea is. And what we say the most is revealing what we really 'believe' inside. No matter how much one tries to smear Love thoughts over a mountain of doubt. The mountain has to be removed first to allow the Love to flow through or it is the mountain that keeps showing through.

The same with experiencing God or Source or All that Is Life. We grunt and point. We are indeed poets. Poets of God. Poetry in Motion. We keep expressing yet cannot nail this experience down yet, will we ever receive too much of IT that could bring an end to IT? We are all artists like our Source. Artist means Creator in whatever shape or form it shows up right now, the Source of IT IS.
 
Asking for a miracle is not asking for magic to be performed. It is asking the Source of the miracle to show up. A miracle is not magic. A miracle is a natural expression of Love. That is what a Real Miracle is, based on the Love that InSpires it. Breathes ITs Life Force Energy into it. And who is the Ultimate Miracle Giver of Life? Consciously selected miracles can be misguided.

Look at the ones we call Masters whom performed miracles. They did not plan their day to do specific miracles.

Forgiveness came first, purification first. Removing all the debris that blocked Loves Presence and then Love was allowed to flow through and be received and that is what healed them. And miracles are only 'necessary' in this world right now because a miracle heals by supplying a 'lack' of Love and Life by one extending it to one whom believes they lack it.

Real Miracles are given by those whom have more to give in the moment to those who temporarily have less (due to an errant thought or belief) in the one who thinks they lack it. IT IS LOVE that reverses the physical laws and both the giver and receiver experiences more Love together. The 'benefit' is not one sided.

How? By undoing the past in the Present moment and this is what releases one being able to move into the future life. Freeing us up to allow Loves Life to flow on through.

Does this sound like what many 'magicians' of miracles are doing right now folks?

You want to see miracles? I InCourage you to do what all the 'Masters' combined did with regularity. Ask, Invite the Holy Spirit (Whole, ONE Spirit of Love and Life) teach me how to pray. How do I commune directly with you Daddy? or Mommy? or whatever IT means to you as the One who gives Life to your Being. Honest.

Pray for your miracle from your Heart and not so much in words. Express your Heart to the One and allow yourself to be known by the One. You will experience IT. And not by thinking about what it would be like to experience it. Real Miracles happen in an instant. They are usually spontaneous.

So, you want a miracle? A miracle is none other than a thought. A thought can be thought with the Higher or Spiritual level of experience or lower bodily level of experience.

As John says here and I agree, Spiritual laws for the Spirit and physical laws for the physical. One makes the Spiritual and one makes the physical.

So, a Real Miracle, how do you know if something is a Real Miracle? A Real Miracle does not inspire awe, it InSpires gratitude...


I share alot of what has been my Atonement, my undoing from religious dogma in the Spiritual arena. A Course in Miracles has been a wonderful tool for this. May what is shared here, InCourage, InPower and InSpire you to get down to choosing your One on One so you can be a receiver of the Real Miracle of experiencing Love not of this worlds ways of giving and receiving and pass IT on.

To experiencing the Real Miracles of Love and Life,

Love to All,

Julia

[Talker]

from: Kadensnga on Today at 11:57:54

It becomes increasingly frustrating for those like "G", when the spiritual world makes claims that it cannot stand behind, nor prove..., and it also harms the credibility of those dubbed "spiritual" when serious questions are skirted around for lack of solid answers... Love of spiritual principles does not suffer in the saying that "Spirituality wont grow muscles on your body without working out". Spirituality is for spiritual growth... weights are for physical growth... mincing words does not help.

The proof is always in the eating of the pudding... who can argue with this?

From: juliainkc: Today at 14:44:57

I appreciate you sharing your thoughts here John and I can relate to the way G feels and what you are sharing in agreement with him.

The proof is in what is coming out of the person saying it. Our thoughts reveal what is inside of our Hearts by what comes out of our mouths on a consistent basis. And this materializes in our actions, we demonstrate our most consistent thoughts. So, our physical manifestations reveal what is really behind the words we speak, the bringer of our actions.  Our actions do not create our thoughts. It just seems this way to us until we turn our view around.

Thank you Julia, John and all.
Must say, as I've said a few times, while posting in the forum, 'interesting flow of thoughts' in motion here. My (past and late teacher) used to say 'ask for what ever you want, but make sure it is within the realm of possibilities'. At that time, I thought that I understood those words. Little was I aware, that 'time would present experiences' that would bring that statement into a 'deeper understanding', of it. Here is where that word 'beliefs' enters the picture, along with the words, 'don't try, just do'.
The best of intentions and actions alone, just won't do it.
Gaining true inner beliefs, is at times much like grabbing a handfull of smoke from the air. Life is a learning curve.

One way or another, you will experience it, regardless of beliefs..

Beliefs, intentions, and actions are odd energies. So are miracles. Fact of the matter is, so are all people. Some like it hot, others like it cold. Some like it straight, others don't. Some are led astray, some are not. Some can swim, some never learnt how. The list goes on and on.

The forum presents numerous points of view. Both juliainkc and Kadensnga, (as did the others) in this stream, touched upon both side of a coin. There is no 'one size' fits all, regards "beliefs, intentions, and actions', as missing parts of the puzzle are not the same missing parts for all. That a forum such as OUR, is available to express ones point of view, without a ton of rancor raining down on you, is like a miracle.
As perhaps, in the bible, The Tower of Babel revisited and partially tamed!
Be Well

[Kadensnga]

Amen Talker.

I believe in miracles dont get me wrong... I am ALL about the power of the mind bringing forth the circumstances which cause our wantings to become reality... but It's more like Julia's line here:

"Asking for a miracle is not asking for magic to be performed. It is asking the Source of the miracle to show up".

In some cases, that miracle might be the finances to get medical attention... or it might be the natural process of chakra healing, or an EMF attunement, it might be a job poffer or a friend inviting you to the gym or an opportunity to have a free membership... or an opportunity popping up out of the blue...

It could be the source (within) inspiring a million dollar idea like Chicken soup for the soul, whose author desired a million dollars...

But it wasnt like he just said "I want a million dollars" and suddenly it popped into his hand out of thin air... it came through a "natural process".

I believe that the laws will give you whatever you want if you practice them and learn to master... but its not that they erase the need for "action" it's just that (in my own experience) they (your thought vibrations) align the circumstances in your life to facilitate your wantings...so that when you come to that place of "having" there is not so much action to take and the buffet is laid out for you. You still have to scoop it into your plate.

Sometimes, miracles occur, because our vibration is so high that we create that... but even then it's a natural type of emotional excitement that creates that, not something that can be simulated...

At this point I dont think anyone has a complete system for manifesting miracles that will work for ANYONE ( even Jesus, as you Talker, once encouraged me)... it's really about coming into knowing of self... and manifesting from that place...

Also I must admit, I get tired of hearing people blame others for their lack, and so everynow and then something rises up and says "Hey, get a clue man...we cant answer this for you". Thats my bad.

I want to see Goonie as Adonis... however if he continually chooses to see himself as "goonie" then my own intentions for him mean nothing.

"G" (if thats what you choose) I would say, lose the blame energy. Get real. Sometimes you have to do your own homework. Sure miracles work in my own life, but thats because I know how to work with "me".

Learn to work with "you" and master your own system based on all this wonderful knowledge here and find an approach that works for "you"...we can give you our theories of what will work for you based on what works for us...but as Talker says, theres no one size fits all.

Sorry if I came across as overtly frank and mechanical, but sometimes you just dont know what to say, yet you want to say "something".

We all love you and its not our fault that you haven't found the answers within that you seek.

 
 Sorry Vincent said "grampaw pick more of them yellow faces... all of them. hadda doit.

[juliainkc]

Must be after dinner time for some of us!

Talker, Namaste` for your genuinely kind and loving expression here. And thank you John, Baki and Sky for your recent participation in this thread as well. Indeed, the Universal mix as in the many ways to say it.

Now, as to the one size does not fit all ~ oh boy!! yeah, gonna say it!

This UnSeen Source of Love that we All Come from, is the One thing I have yet to see anyone who has been touched by IT, remain unchanged when being touched by IT. Cross my Heart.

Oh, I said something earlier and would like to Clarify in regards to the ones we call 'Masters' not planning their miracles. They lived within the miracle by showing up. Daily life was a moment by moment flowing through by remaining in this miracle, Loves Life Stream flowing through, is why it 'seems' they 'noticed' IT all the time, everywhere.

Peacefulness in Living is an indicator of Loves Miracle showing up,

Love to All,

Julia

[Goonie]

wow u guys responded so much i forgot wat the original question was i had asked. i dont think it matters anymore. all i can say is that i feel love towrds yall at least i think it is. it is similar to the feelin i hav for my mom in a sense. u guys may be healin me slowly

julian, u always say things that halve the time i dont fully get, but for sum reason i feel inspired after readin it and dont kno why? does my feelin pick up messages my brain doesnt? this goes for Kadensnga too and Kadensnga if u so desire to see me as adonis then so be it. im seen in many different ways, usually all negative ways. it is nice, at least on a emotional level to read or hear people say things like u even though u never seen me.

i think it was adrian that started this. i remember readin posts when i first cam here and then i disappeared because peeple craped me on my spellin, which is just for internet purposes, i can actuall spell correctly guys its just this is how i type most the time, but anyway....

before adrian was sayin things like us being infinite and we can literal do anything wit mind no acceptions. wat i am sayin this is either true or not. talks like that is what made me stick here cause i believed in it so much or maybe i just wanted to believe it as a means of hope. now, im not so sure wat to believe. my head feels like its floatin in the skies, empty with no hard grab on anything other then wat life has taught me. i feel like i am just being fed dreams havle the time.

[Kadensnga]

Ah, there's adonis...

My young friend, you only THINK i have never seen you, but I have seen you a thousand times in the faces of young people just like yourself who have worked in my telemarketing rooms... and even in the daughters I have raised with my own loving hands... I do see you, and you are beautiful and inquisitive, and skeptical...all the things a person your age should be... you wonder and you take things literally in a world where people twice your age talk figuratively half the time and metaphorically... because we are bored with common language...

It's all good.

Adrian speaks from his experience or what he has found within...when one finds Gold in California, they want to tell everyone...still you have to go get your own digging tools, even though they can tell you the area where the gold is you have to dig for yourself to find YOURS, and you may find it immediately or it may take you years, or you may find it in the spot where they found it... or  (this is important) "you may find it 2 feet away from the spot where another guy has been digging for twenty years and gave up right before he hit the gold vein..."

Or worse: "You may be the guy that gave up after twenty years...and some guy comes up and finds gold 2 inches away from where you gave up"

The best guy to be is the one selling the shovels to all the gold diggers! lol Hey it's an honest living , because there really is Gold, and people really do need shovels...!

That last piece of advice will take you further in life than you can imagine if you remember it.


Much love to you Adonis. Your recognition of our love in spirit has inspired warm cuddly feelings here... if you were my son I'd hug ya...then I'd tell you to go get a job and a hot girlfriend to blow your money with, and worry about all this stuff later when you are too old to have a wild fun teenage life!!!!


Namaste,
John

Ps I understand your spelling... it is the result of too much text messaging!

[juliainkc]

Hi G,

I had to laugh in understanding what you shared with Talker about wanting what you want and not being interested in the area we are sharing about right now. I really do.

You are 16 after all. What we are for you is seed planters and seed waterers and the fruit of having this experience will bear out in its perfect time. Honest. We are tucking things into your pocket for the Journey you are on like was done for us as well. This is the place we've been sharing from. We felt like you do at one point and you are having a conversation with yourself in future time so to speak...

You really are where you are to be in this moment.

Thank you for your Loving thoughts and know I am sending Love in return.

The one thing I do remember in taking a look back at being where you are right now is that I still had patience on the grow into list and I was pretty patient for my age at 16. So, just a seed, be patient with yourself truly, you are getting where you want to be.

Love, hugs and Peace extended to you this day G,

Julia

[juliainkc]

Hi again G,

Your response is well worth reading and so, I will only focus on this part while expressing about the rest what rises to greet you ~ 

julian, u always say things that halve the time i dont fully get, but for sum reason i feel inspired after readin it and dont kno why?

does my feelin pick up messages my brain doesnt?

Yes!! That is your Inner 'hmming' Sensor. The brain is organic G. Physical matter like our bodies are. Your 'feelin' is of another kind of 'Brain matter' Vibration. Your Heart Mind if you will ...

Trust this feelin' more than those 'other' organic voices that show up and say ... nah, G, you're just hopin' and you know where hopin' has gotten you this far. That thought right there is a past experience thought. Drop that thought and go blank ... silent... and let a 'New' thought come in as in, ya know G, you've got InComing mail!!

Love Mail or Love Letters. Honest. Changing the 'hate' mail to Love Letters idea aka Sacred Alchemy ... you know all the ones that hover around and say oh! G!! you don't want to do that!! (common sense applied here as in hurting yourself un-necessarily), if you think too highly of yourself you will fall ... kinds of ideas or thoughts.

That is when you leap and find that ... the net appears out of 'no' where.

The Love you are feelin' here is real, and flowing your way, as a memo, reminder that this IS who you are. You are Love and worthy of IT. Honest.

The free fallin' you are experiencing (floatin' in the clouds without anything to grab on to) is what is called 'not' knowing or complete surrender to nothingness, suspension, and this is the place where the bed is made ... what?

This is the place where all thoughts that we had are placed into the fire and burned and what is true (worth keeping) remains and the rest is burned up in the fire and returned into the soil as 'compost'. Feeds the new thoughts based on ones previous experience without the old ropes of thoughts or thinking that keeps one from thinking new thoughts.

Talker is an editor of sorts. Truth. And so, I know he graciously overlooks my 'grammar'. 

So in true Pippi fashion or Mary Poppins or even Dr. Suess ... idea ...

What is a belief? It is a thought that has been allowed to repeat itself or a Belief is a re-occuring thought...

There was a 'man' who when 'healing' ones said 'Your sins have been forgiven'. He was saying take up your bed and walk.

Get up, stop laying down and dreaming over and over again. Stop the dream state and Awaken and Get on with your Life.

'God' (Source) Loves you. And this is in my Honest Opinion my way of saying what Adrian says in his own way.

Language has the ability, potential to create bridges or barriers as does our thoughts of an experience.

Phew!! LOL!!

G? You are here and breathing because you chose before the physical manifestation to be here. Or ... ya wouldn't be in here with the rest of us.

Personally, I found your last expression to be quite beautiful and poetic.

Yes!! you feel in your Heart (Soul~Spirit thoughts) what defies your 'organic' brains thoughts,

Always Let Your Heart be Your Guide,

Much much Love G flowing through you and all around you,

Julia extending the Line ~


 

[Goonie]

well my heart tells me many things. mostly everything i say cums from the heart if not directly from my thoughts which is ususally caused by my feelings. the goals and changes i want cums from there as well. sumtimes i get feelings that i dont get very often and is hard to describe. but the feeling i do get every now and then wen readin urs and a few other peeples posts does give me a warm accepting feeling. though u dont know exactly how to help me, u all try. its like u care. only my mother truely gives me such attention. my father, that basterd, is never around nor does he give a danm and i dont really care no more about him anyway so.

in any case, how many of yous have bought that SOB manual baki keeps tellin me to use. if so wat has it done for you?

[juliainkc]

Hi G,

I ended up writing a blog as I was responding to you here. You inspired me to write a blog article G! Thank you!! So, I dedicate this one to you. It's a read, Love thoughts flowed ~ and are genuine and sincere. May something in this bless you and allow you to realize, you are not alone G truly. We are all in this together just in different moments having the same experience...

Much Love to you today G and to All,

Julia

http://www.you-nique-by-design.com/?p=59&preview=true

[Goonie]

me inspire u? speechless. u right beautifully though i couldnt read all of it but i will go back wen i hav more time to do so.

no ones answered my question though 

[Kadensnga]

Depok Chopra tells a story of King Arthur and Guenevere... about what I think of as "Objectivity", Guenevere claims that she knows her private chambers so well that she could find her way around in the dark... she knew the exact place of everything in it....

So Arthur challenges her and says "Go out and come back in when I tell you...

She comes back into  a totally dark room, and begins finding her way around, and she could not identify the whereabouts of a single thing... Arthur lit a candle and she saw that everything in the room had been rearranged..."You tricked me"! , she exclaimed...

He smiled and said "the true observer sees things, in each moment, for the way they are and not as one might anticipate them to be... to clearly see the  truth in every moment one must release expectations "

Ponder this Adonis... is Depok Chopra the last word on truth? Hey, take it or leave it.


What I am saying is that you HAVE been answered.

Namaste,

J~Meister

[Goonie]

its almost as if u guys are tellin me to grow up quicker,  lol. i hardly can understand alot of the poetry and fansy way of talikng u guys do here. Kadensnga, that was an answere but it wasnt a answere to my question  . i feel special, sum how, that I was able to inspire sum 1 (julian) that I feel inspired by.

Not sure, but i guess ill get back on topic here.

health concerns, lent. my house or should i say my room is filled with them. could they be causing part of my health issues? just how much is a health hassert is lent, dust, and debree anyway?