I am the vine…

[wavepsychic]

Dear Melody,

If the Source is an Ocean and we are the glasses of water then why would the ocean care what the glass looks like that we are in. Why can't we decided what the glass is shaped as that contains us. The Ocean doesn't fit into the glass so why should the ocean get to decide?!

[Freedom]

Julia,

If you are one with the Father, then you don't have to ask and to be given. God does not ask. He simply states, or decrease, and it is so. This has nothing to do with arrogance but with Faith. When you have total Faith that you have something, you do not ask, you proclaim (= state = decree) it to be so. So this is a question: what is one having Faith in - in one's ability to have it just by imagining and stating and believeing = having Faith in having it, or does one has Faith that by asking the Universal force - the Father, God, one will receive it?

In addition, I find it very curious that Jesus states over and over again - "ask in my name"

Joh 14:13  And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
 
Joh 14:14  If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Joh 15:16  Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Joh 16:23  And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

Joh 16:24  Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.
 
Joh 16:26  At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:

Jesus's name is "I am"... he is telling us that each one of us is named " I am"

He is saying that "I am" is the answer. Whenever u say "I am" .. put something positive after that... such as I am happy, I am helpful, I am fine.

That is what "I am" means. It means creating your own power of source, cos we are all source.
You can say "I am part of source"....   so far, that is my understanding... I am open to questionings , of course 

I find Julia and Laura as very beautiful helpful beings.

I have noticed in the past you question Adrian a lot, not in the most nicest way but that is your way, and cos we are all one, we are all learning from the way you question.

Here is something I found that you might find interesting.. or not...

http://deoxy.org/moses.htm

It is interesting and thought provoking , to me anyway.

Really good thread this , thanks Melody
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and thanks to everyone who joined in, luvs ya all 

[melody]

Dear Melody,

If the Source is an Ocean and we are the glasses of water then why would the ocean care what the glass looks like that we are in. Why can't we decided what the glass is shaped as that contains us. The Ocean doesn't fit into the glass so why should the ocean get to decide?!

Hello Wave,

The glass was taken as a measure. A person was designated his space in relationship to the ocean as being only of stature - an amount contained in a glass in relationship to the vastness of the ocean. It does not mean that there are actually glasses containing water floating in the ocean.

[melody]

Hello Julia,

I am glad you understand that when someone is discussing Biblical concepts it does not automatically imply that the person has no personal connection with God. To assume something like that and question the person’s connection to God and try to force the person to discuss his or hers relationship to God in a public forum would be pretty insensitive, and not becoming to a forum’s moderator.

I very much appreciated your first response to the initial post in this discussion thread, however, this fallowing post made me wander about your sanity

How Dis ~ Vining ~

Ooops!! I mean dis ~ tractin = to -



Did she really just say THAT!?!



Thank you Tom, you Salty Sea Captaine with a Heart of GOLD...



Aloha No Ka Oi !! 

It made me wonder whether you were not just trying to degrade the conversation I started to a nonsensical level. Frankly, in my opinion, posts like that are also not becoming to a forum’s moderator since they reflect very badly on the forum and even show disrespect to the person who started the discussion thread since a moderator took a task upon himself/herself to moderate that thread.

[melody]

Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches...

Laura,

You brought up in another thread the idea that we are a glass of water and the source is the ocean. A nice analogy, probably quite revealing, but not complete.

The ocean can create a great storm and all the glasses of water would participate in it and express it. Yet if a separate glass of water decided it wanted all on its own to create a storm, absolutely nothing would happen. It can ask, and declare, and imagine with no result because the force of the ocean has its own energy motion that comprices all those individual glasses of water but acts quite independently of them, sweeping them into its own sphere of influence within the greater reality it occupies.

I imagine only if a glass of water had projected a very wise request why the storm it requests is needed to materialise at that particular moment something would have happened, but only because the ocean knew already that that storm was needed to bring the equilibrium to the energies it was controlling.

Yet, there are energies which are even stronger than the ocean and all the glasses of water it is composed of. The entire Earth's bulk of oceans is governed by forces it cannot control but can only express - the pull of the Moon that creates the tides. And there is nothing the glasses of water or the whole ocean can do about it, but simply express this energy. They cannot imagine something else and change it and stop producing the tides.

Maybe this is the way we are meant to express God. And that only when we ask in the sympathy of the overall grand picture of universal forces, and our request is in tune with those forces and we even ask in their name, that we will be given the honour to express God.

My question still persists: as an amorphouse amount equevalent to a glass of water lost in the vastness of the ocean's water, can we really create something of our own and not just express the Source = the Ocean?

[melody]

I find Julia and Laura as very beautiful helpful beings.

I have noticed in the past you question Adrian a lot, not in the most nicest way but that is your way, and cos we are all one, we are all learning from the way you question.
....
Really good thread this , thanks Melody

Hello Freedom,

What works for one might not work for another. The sugar quoted approach of dealing with intellectual inquiries in this forum might be viewed as highly suspicious for by some visitors, especially those who are used to academic approach to investigation of theories, postulates, science, and those who might question who Adrian is all about. The immediate "defending" of Adrian when some questioning arises might also be perceived as a groupies type of fallowing he created. This forum can use a balance type of questioning and a very direct approach to issues.

I don't like to sugar coat my quests in order to get to the bottom of things. I call a spade a spade, and I believe Adrian is a big boy to take care of himself and of my questioning.

I am glad you find my straight forwardness useful.

[Mina-Laura]

Dear Melody, my dear Louis, and Freedom, Julia and everyone else who might read this

Laura, you brought up in another thread the idea that we are a glass of water and the source is the ocean. A nice analogy, probably quite revealing, but not complete.

The ocean can create a great storm and all the glasses of water would participate in it and express it. Yet if a separate glass of water decided it wanted all on its own to create a storm, absolutely nothing would happen. It can ask, and declare, and imagine with no result because the force of the ocean has its own energy motion that comprices all those individual glasses of water but acts quite independently of them, sweeping them into its own sphere of influence within the greater reality it occupies.

I imagine only if a glass of water had projected a very wise request why the storm it requests is needed to materialise at that particular moment something would have happened, but only because the ocean knew already that that storm was needed to bring the equilibrium to the energies it was controlling.

Yet, there are energies which are even stronger than the ocean and all the glasses of water it is composed of. The entire Earth's bulk of oceans is governed by forces it cannot control but can only express - the pull of the Moon that creates the tides. And there is nothing the glasses of water or the whole ocean can do about it, but simply express this energy. They cannot imagine something else and change it and stop producing the tides.

The ocean/glass of water is just an analogy simply referring to "the stuff we are made of"

And Melody as you well pointed is useless to even go beyond this because there simply any other criteria of comparison doesn't apply. I am not telling it doesn't exist...

And about storms in a glass of water, perhaps not but we all know that Hollywood movies are made filming storms in a bucket of water and it seems OH SO REAL...  does the projection of this illusion makes it less important to the viewer? less important to the director and actors that work hard indeed to the point where is all so real for everybody involved?

I do not want to impose another truth over another one I am just simply trying to project a 'different' way of looking at objects to be examined.
Spirituality is such like this - inviting One to step out of the box and imagine, create, be, envision, ...something out of the ordinary path we tend to walk upon as presented by others (religion, history, classic physics,science-fiction,  quantum physics, genetics!!... perhaps the closest analogy to spirituality is to be found in poetry ¹...)

aaaahhhhh!!   THIS SPECTACULAR WORLD OF INFINITE POSSIBILTIES

Maybe this is the way we are meant to express God. And that only when we ask in the sympathy of the overall grand picture of universal forces, and our request is in tune with those forces and we even ask in their name, that we will be given the honour to express God.

Yes I guess the greatest challenge here is "how are we meant to express God". ?!?!   

I can't answer this question Melody but I can tell you for sure: "you express God". With every breath you take, every word you speak and everything that you are. You are right now...

and right now, as much as I would love to linger and talk about 'higher' realms my little daughter just come to me so I have to leave you and tend to her expressing God

Have a blessed day Melody

love - Laura



¹a poem by Gibran Khalil

GOD


In the ancient days, when the first quiver of speech came to my lips, I ascended the holy mountain and spoke unto God, saying, "Master, I am thy slave. Thy hidden will is my law and I shall obey thee for ever more."

But God made no answer, and like a mighty tempest passed away.

And after a thousand years I ascended the holy mountain and again spoke unto God, saying, "Creator, I am thy creation. Out of clay hast thou fashioned me and to thee I owe mine all."

And God made no answer, but like a thousand swift wings passed away.

And after a thousand years I climbed the holy mountain and spoke unto God again, saying, "Father, I am thy son. In pity and love thou hast given me birth, and through love and worship I shall inherit thy kingdom."

And God made no answer, and like the mist that veils the distant hills he passed away.

And after a thousand years I climbed the sacred mountain and again spoke unto God, saying, "My God, my aim and my fulfilment; I am thy yesterday and thou art my tomorrow. I am thy root in the earth and thou art my flower in the sky, and together we grow before the face of the sun."

Then God leaned over me, and in my ears whispered words of sweetness, and even as the sea that enfoldeth a brook that runneth down to her, he enfolded me.

And when I descended to the valleys and the plains God was there also.


http://leb.net/~mira/

[juliainkc]

Dear Melody,

Thank you for sharing here. I find it quite revealing of your Inner thoughts expressing here.

Hello Julia,

I am glad you understand that when someone is discussing Biblical concepts it does not automatically imply that the person has no personal connection with God. To assume something like that and question the person’s connection to God and try to force the person to discuss his or hers relationship to God in a public forum would be pretty insensitive, and not becoming to a forum’s moderator.

I very much appreciated your first response to the initial post in this discussion thread, however, this fallowing post made me wander about your sanity

How Dis ~ Vining ~

Ooops!! I mean dis ~ tractin = to -



Did she really just say THAT!?!



Thank you Tom, you Salty Sea Captaine with a Heart of GOLD...



Aloha No Ka Oi !! 

It made me wonder whether you were not just trying to degrade the conversation I started to a nonsensical level. Frankly, in my opinion, posts like that are also not becoming to a forum’s moderator since they reflect very badly on the forum and even show disrespect to the person who started the discussion thread since a moderator took a task upon himself/herself to moderate that thread.

First of all, I have always shared in this public forum my openness to Spirit's leading and this is that we are One with One Mind when we move beyond the illusiveness of a persona. That is repeated over and over again here. Haven't changed my mind on this.

In reading this, you truly reveal that you have a 'standard' or code of behaviour that you seem to desire to 'impress' upon another, in this particular discussion, that would be 'me' or God expressing as Julia.

I truly allow you to believe and think anyway you wish. I personally have come to this place of now by going through my own life uncovering through these experiences, not to take any opinion so seriously as to create a level of what is and what is not acceptable to another.  This forum actually reveals that there are many differences in opinions.

I do laugh at ones who take things way too seriously and I do feel compassion as well. All things are for our expansion of knowing more and more just who we are outside of defined behaviours or beliefs.

God laughs at the wisdom of men. Why? Our ego's (lower selves) do not know what Wisdom is. Wisdom is from the Higher Mind.
Which is why I open myself to the Holy Spirit's guidance every morning upon rising as I have practiced for 30 years.

Why fly with the wings of a sparrow when you can fly with the wings of an eagle? How can a sparrow define the view of an eagle?

I am not being superior here. This is what I have been shown and asked to consider throughout my experience here Melody.

Will this always makes sense to a mind that likes to analyze everything? I use to analize everything all the time. Thank God I got free of this!!

Prim and proper meets Pippi Longstockings. Hmm...  I'm too busy Being me to concern myself with being busy with Being you.

Truly an oil meets water moment.

Interesting to me that your statements reflect an archetype in my life experience of moving beyond the ones who stand there and are shouting, "That's not the way to do it, be it, have it." My brother in true fashion.

I all the while, pinch his nose and mess up his hair while I backflip up into the air, laughing and saying,

" See ya wouldn't wanna be ya kind of thing." Again, too busy Being me.

Your statement reveals that you are not happy with Julia being a forums moderator. I can accept this.

I personally InJoy this forum and all the variables contained within it. Again, while I play in here, I grow in here and I do sleep peacefully every night. I can rest in the understanding that beyond my earthly eyes and thinking, All is Well. I Trust God in this for All.

As to sanity, what do you define as sanity Melody? If we were to ask this question in this forum, I rest assured the answers would be very diverse. Which is why I love this Universal Forum.


My mantra in conclusion of this message Melody is this,

"Rules and models destroy genius and art."  ~ William Hazlitt

Thank you for sharing, you truly grow and expand my picture of this illusion and I can see the Love of God moving here.

InJoy this day,

Love in the Divine Spirit of Unconditional Love,

Julia

[juliainkc]

Dear Laura,

Namaste my sweet sister. I love Khalil Gibran. Have shared his deep and profound Insights in this forum as well. This is so beautiful and speaks for ITSELF.

 

I appreciate you and all,

Love to you and all in Divine Spirit,

Julia

¹a poem by Gibran Khalil

GOD


In the ancient days, when the first quiver of speech came to my lips, I ascended the holy mountain and spoke unto God, saying, "Master, I am thy slave. Thy hidden will is my law and I shall obey thee for ever more."
 
But God made no answer, and like a mighty tempest passed away.
 
And after a thousand years I ascended the holy mountain and again spoke unto God, saying, "Creator, I am thy creation. Out of clay hast thou fashioned me and to thee I owe mine all."
 
And God made no answer, but like a thousand swift wings passed away.
 
And after a thousand years I climbed the holy mountain and spoke unto God again, saying, "Father, I am thy son. In pity and love thou hast given me birth, and through love and worship I shall inherit thy kingdom."
 
And God made no answer, and like the mist that veils the distant hills he passed away.
 
And after a thousand years I climbed the sacred mountain and again spoke unto God, saying, "My God, my aim and my fulfilment; I am thy yesterday and thou art my tomorrow. I am thy root in the earth and thou art my flower in the sky, and together we grow before the face of the sun."
 
Then God leaned over me, and in my ears whispered words of sweetness, and even as the sea that enfoldeth a brook that runneth down to her, he enfolded me.
 
And when I descended to the valleys and the plains God was there also.


http://leb.net/~mira/

[zensunni7]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OCCvjYJylMM&feature=related

[melody]

Julia,

This is not about rules and models but about a fact that you tend to be a conversation stopper as you impose your own ideas of how you perceive God and the relationship and feelings that are supposed to go with it according to you. You have a "nice" way to put a person down telling what they do wrong. At least I tell it to you directly, whereas you mask your way with a cloak of "Love" and "Higher Wisdom" that you claim you acquired through time.

[juliainkc]

Julia,

This is not about rules and models but about a fact that you tend to be a conversation stopper as you impose your own ideas of how you perceive God and the relationship and feelings that are supposed to go with it according to you. You have a "nice" way to put a person down telling what they do wrong. At least I tell it to you directly, whereas you mask your way with a cloak of "Love" and "Higher Wisdom" that you claim you acquired through time.

That's just it Melody. As I AM so YOU ARE.

To our Never Ending aka Eternal Story.

I actually LOVE the character 'You' play in my story.

Smooch, smooch ~ open definition as to what 'you' define as God Spot ...

  I AM another YOU

[melody]

And about storms in a glass of water, perhaps not but we all know that Hollywood movies are made filming storms in a bucket of water and it seems OH SO REAL...  does the projection of this illusion makes it less important to the viewer? less important to the director and actors that work hard indeed to the point where is all so real for everybody involved?

Hello Laura,

Interesting Hollywood analogy...

But the question still remains, was that illusion of the storm created because the bucket of water had desired so and therefore was able to create it, or because it was imposed on it by the "forces from above"? Was that bucket of water expression itself or was it unwittingly expressing the "higher forces", without having any say in what and how was being expressed?

[Mina-Laura]

Dear Julia

Dear Laura,

Namaste my sweet sister. I love Khalil Gibran. Have shared his deep and profound Insights in this forum as well. This is so beautiful and speaks for ITSELF.

 

I appreciate you and all,

Love to you and all in Divine Spirit,

Julia

Yes Khalil s cool




Dear Julia and Melody

Hi All ~

With Understanding Unconditional Love.

Melody ~

I as your sister and I AM whether seen or not, I dedicate this song to you in true Radiating 3rd Chakra fashion; ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sJPUTTfNbg&NR=1

This of course is Universal...


Mmmm... Love to all of me ~

J aka Pippi ~ Star sprinkles on a Sunday ...

Julia darling no matter how you present it, music speaks to the 4th Chakra ultimately.

..sigh .. I think I have one (music piece) that might speak both to Melody and to you ... IF I'm allowed to think that I know what language both of you might have in common.

Julia you the passionate dancer one of vibrant vitality, and Melody of the music of the "powerful vibration that reverberates through all those present, the vibrations being of a much higher spiritual level and spiritual purity, the energy of the intellect"... or the 3rd Chakra .... (yes Julia yes I hear you thinking ... shutup... lol.. or you will become again all unbecoming)

Anyway the following piece is called "Doina" and the word meaning is far to vast and profound to even be capable of explaining it in this forum.
This is what Wiki has to say about it - well at least what applies to:
The Doina (IPA: ['doj.na]) is a Romanian musical tune style, having its roots in the music-laments of the Romanian shepherds (Vlachs). Doina is poetic and often melancholic,
 

However what the Wiki doesn't say is that this type of music is the very expression of an entire pool of population regarding the 'answer to life, universe, God, and ALL of it' and... as life goes it comes to be appreciated by people that have been at this life for a while and still they know #%@*.... 

Yeah all the 3rd Chakra reverberating on the 4th one... and ultimately not meant to label or answer anything but just to LET ONE FEEL ALIVE...
   so.... Here it goes and the music is performed by a human of a rare talent, which I had the privilege to meet when I was still a child, and about which everybody agrees his instrument has a sound like no other (many have tried to replicate his flute but I guess some things like to stay unique and individual).

Doina of the ancient ones - for dada (beloved father) performed by Dumitru Farcas
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=0aqbib_ou1g





love - Laura

[Mina-Laura]

Dear Melody

And about storms in a glass of water, perhaps not but we all know that Hollywood movies are made filming storms in a bucket of water and it seems OH SO REAL...  does the projection of this illusion makes it less important to the viewer? less important to the director and actors that work hard indeed to the point where is all so real for everybody involved?

Hello Laura,

Interesting Hollywood analogy...

But the question still remains, was that illusion of the storm created because the bucket of water had desired so and therefore was able to create it, or because it was imposed on it by the "forces from above"? Was that bucket of water expression itself or was it unwittingly expressing the "higher forces", without having any say in what and how was being expressed?

Are we still talking about The Poseidon motion picture movie? Because if that's so we know who created the script, and storm illusion on the big screens.

If we are talking about the life as we experience it I guess it gets more complicated, even so as I am sure God hasn't spoken to you about The Life, The Universe and all secrets therein. All you have at your hand is what others told you. It doesn't matter how many times Bible is cited .. is still a citation. Is... knowing about God.

It takes direct experience to know God.

And.. the thing with direct experience of knowing God is that it simply doesn't matter anymore. Absolutely nothing matters anymore the way it used to, before. Life as we know it, might as well don't even exist...
Thereafter (knowing God).. being human is like a dream ... the only time it has any grip on reality (as we know it) is when we are able to help others, to be of service. To the best of our abilities as we have them, and as we learned from our trials and tribulations and former memories of useless intellectual rationalizations.

Ego. The voice of the ego ...talks all the time, like a continuous chatter, it makes you think, it makes you ponder .. and when this need 'to know' constantly plays in the background the soul cannot be heard as its voice is very quiet and most times it doesn't even speak in words (as your ego does). The spoke language is silly. Same is the ego's language left behind.

I guess I haven't answered the way you would expect in a logical intellectual manner. I'm just trying to give you this message that is silly trying to understand God and You, from other people's explanations. You have to know yours up-close-and-personal.

same as love

you have to know it up-close-and-personal - to really understand it ... silly, crazy, love that makes one do stuff beyond any logic, common sense and human comprehension






love - Laura