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« on: June 26, 2008, 21:19:32 »

I found these on you tube and I think they are beautifully done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnvM_YAwX4I&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG9FO7JGWq4

They basically say that everything even our bodies are just perceptions in a dark brain. For a while I didn't believe that things look how we think they look. We pick up color as vibrations but really everything is just a Magnetic vibrating field around small particles. That is more proof that there is no big bang because empty space is nothing more then something we perceive by not perceiving anything but distance of what we think is nothingness.

I am going to keep this in mind to help me become enlightened.
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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2008, 15:58:23 »

Nice vids Sir Wave, very insightful of you to post them cool
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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2008, 17:02:49 »

I must seem like one of the most rational people ever but I can't see how this is all in illusion in the manner most people explain it undecided. I understand that it is out senses that percieve our physical world, however it must still be solid in some respects. For example, a spin off of the old "if a locker slams and nobody is there to hear it, does it make a sound"? - another one is if a blind person cannot see a book in front of him, does it exist? Some stated that it doesn't exist to the blind man for he cannot percieve it. However, if you were to place it on his lap he could still feel it but what if he was paralyzed and could not feel it? Does it still exist? He may not have a sense of touch but I'm sure he can tell if someone where to place something in his hand or drop a bowling ball on his foot - though he wouldnt feel pain, he could still feel the pressure.
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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2008, 19:38:06 »

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f a locker slams and nobody is there to hear it, does it make a sound"?

That is not the one I am familiar with. "If a tree falls in the woods & no one is around to hear it does it still make a sound". The answer is YES. Human beings aren't the only conscious beings contrary to popular belief. There is no requirements such as (Jill or John) have to be there or the sound waves will not work. Blind people experience there realities differently. Some people can see ghost and most can not. Just because we can not see spirit guides or angels doesn't mean they don't exist. Think of the world as a part of you. It is real because it is you. But it is just Magnetic Energies, not quite what you see.
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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2008, 16:38:52 »

I've not watched the vids yet but am just about to  smiley

As for the whole 'blind man' question - my reply question would be that does observation have to be purely visual?

Also, I thought that the observation of an items does not solely rely on the one person present but of the total observation of either a group of people, the whole world or the total conciousness of the planet / humanity  (I'm not sure but was this mentioned in the book as 'consensual observation'? Couldn't find it as I scanned through).
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« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2008, 04:00:01 »

Hello Cameron

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Also, I thought that the observation of an items does not solely rely on the one person present but of the total observation of either a group of people, the whole world or the total conciousness of the planet / humanity

I am glad you brought that up. Just as the cells in your body are aware of themselves & what they are doing so to is all matter & energy in the Universe. After all ALL is Consciousness & ALL is the Oneness the source, Tao.
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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2008, 10:27:59 »

Hi All,
This is something that has bothered me for quite a lot. I have been looking for answers to this question and what I found I will share with you.

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Also, I thought that the observation of an items does not solely rely on the one person present but of the total observation of either a group of people, the whole world or the total consciousness of the planet / humanity  (I'm not sure but was this mentioned in the book as 'consensual observation'? Couldn't find it as I scanned through).

Yes, Cameron, it does appear that “other(s) “observation” does affect what you will see. Take for example a very new item in the supermarket that you have never seen before. When you go to the supermarket, you’ll see it. Why? Because it exists. Why? Because it is in the mind of the “creator” if nobody else.

However, I read somewhere that our senses do not actually work as we were taught in school. Take “seeing” for example, What actually sees? It is NOT our eyes but our Brain. If you close your eyes, you’ll still see the object under scrutiny may be even more clearly.

So the BIG question; - Do we actually create our own Reality? The answer is still Yes. Why?  Because there is nothing you can be aware (see, hear, smell, etc) of if your “own” consciousness is not involved. The film “What the Bleep Do We Know” answers this very clearly.

So the question then is;- What is Consciousness? In the “What the Bleep Do We Know”, the answer given is that our consciousness is our "Spirit".

I am sure Adrian has more details to this effect.

And therefore;-

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"If a tree falls in the woods & no one is around to hear it does it still make a sound".

The answer must therefore be Yes. Why?  There must be an observer (seeing, listening, etc). Either Animal(s), etc. So even if you were not physically there, but there was an animal, etc which was around and therefore heard the noise, then the sound took place.

I do not know what others opinions are in regards to this topic. I have given my all.

Peace and Love to All.

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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2008, 19:42:14 »

I agree although I do not have much to say.
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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2008, 08:05:57 »

Hi Wave and All,

I have had time to watch the first video. And it is very informative and educative. It uses science to prove that the 3D Physical Universe is an illusion. I love it.  It is also kind of answering further something that has bothered me for quite a while;- that there is nothing outside of you that can harm or hurt you. If the Physical Universe is an illusion, then surely it cannot harm or hurt unless if we give it power.

Consequently, it made me very eager to want to watch the second video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG9FO7JGWq4

However, it would appear that there is an issue with the second video. Several times I have received a message that it is no longer available.

Is this your current experience also?

Peace and Love to All.

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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2008, 00:32:20 »

Hi Wave and All,

I have had time to watch the first video. And it is very informative and educative. It uses science to prove that the 3D Physical Universe is an illusion. I love it.  It is also kind of answering further something that has bothered me for quite a while;- that there is nothing outside of you that can harm or hurt you. If the Physical Universe is an illusion, then surely it cannot harm or hurt unless if we give it power.

Consequently, it made me very eager to want to watch the second video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG9FO7JGWq4

However, it would appear that there is an issue with the second video. Several times I have received a message that it is no longer available.

Is this your current experience also?

Peace and Love to All.

Kendar


No, it is not. Try the link again or keep hitting the Refresh button. It worked for me on the first try.
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« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2008, 13:49:11 »

Hello Wavepsychic,

I found these on you tube and I think they are beautifully done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnvM_YAwX4I&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG9FO7JGWq4

They basically say that everything even our bodies are just perceptions in a dark brain. For a while I didn't believe that things look how we think they look. We pick up color as vibrations but really everything is just a Magnetic vibrating field around small particles. That is more proof that there is no big bang because empty space is nothing more then something we perceive by not perceiving anything but distance of what we think is nothingness.

I am going to keep this in mind to help me become enlightened.

Excellent videos - thank you for posting the links.

There is also a related matter - how do you know what you are "seeing" as, for example a "house", "car", "colour" etc, is what someone else is "seeing".

For example - what someone "sees" as a "house" may not be what someone else sees as a "house", yet both associate what they see as a "house".

Just as we "create" our own material "reality" based upon what we believe, then the way the brain sees that reality is also based on what we believe.

The same goes for colours. How do we know if what we see as the colour "red" is the same as what someone else associates with the colour "red"?

In other words we not only create what we perceive to be "reality", we also create how we see that perception.

This should not come as a surprise because everything we "see" is a mass illusion - the only truth is Spirit, Mind and Energy beyond all idea of "form".

In Love and Light,

Adrian.
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« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2008, 16:33:59 »

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There is also a related matter - how do you know what you are "seeing" as, for example a "house", "car", "colour" etc, is what someone else is "seeing".

For example - what someone "sees" as a "house" may not be what someone else sees as a "house", yet both associate what they see as a "house".

I don't think so because we describe the same things we see. A house is a collection of shapes and we all know what shapes they are. There are other senses that we use to perceive a house. There is however a so called illness where people can not feel things correctly. This lady thought she was holding a bottle but in her other hand she said "oh a paper clip".

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The same goes for colours. How do we know if what we see as the colour "red" is the same as what someone else associates with the colour "red"?

I have thought about this when I was very young. Scientist know that our eyes can see three colours, Red, Blue and Green. I don't know why yellow isn't one but oh well. Some animals such as birds can see a wider range or light. I do not believe that my red is different then anyone else's red because we are looking at the same Vibrations. We also have the same eye cones in our eyes since we all have the same eye genes. There are of course people who are color blind, where someone can not see red. So everything that they look at will seem brownish or yellowish if it had red in it or just grayish. The color blind people are the exception.
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« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2008, 18:52:11 »

Hello Wavepsychic,

I don't think so because we describe the same things we see. A house is a collection of shapes and we all know what shapes they are. There are other senses that we use to perceive a house.


But how do you know we all agree what a "shape" looks like? How would you describe a "shape" or a "colour" to a person who was born without sight?

Of course mathematics in the form of trigonometry can calculate dimensions etc but it is still learned in terms of a human construct.

The entire world is an illusion - most think it is "real" and therefore never question that it might not be "real" after all.  What you learn as the colour "red" for example will always be red to you, but "red" might seem totally different to someone else, yet you are both talking about the same thing. The same goes for any object - if you did not believe the real shape of that object was as described, then it would change to suit your beliefs - it can be anything you want it to be because we create our own reality - not someone elses.

A person who is "colour blind" but does not know it - and there are plenty such people around - will see green for example as a shade of grey. So when someone says "look how green the grass is" - they are admiring how grey it is, yet neither would think of questioning the observation of the other.

In the material world this might seem hard to accept, but in the Astral when we create something, which in fact is a Thought Form, using the Mind, everyone might interpret that Thought Form totally differently. But is does not matter, because everyone sees it how they prefer to see it.

All form is an illusion, therefore everything associated with form is an illusion.

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I have thought about this when I was very young. Scientist know that our eyes can see three colours, Red, Blue and Green. I don't know why yellow isn't one but oh well. Some animals such as birds can see a wider range or light. I do not believe that my red is different then anyone else's red because we are looking at the same Vibrations. We also have the same eye cones in our eyes since we all have the same eye genes. There are of course people who are color blind, where someone can not see red. So everything that they look at will seem brownish or yellowish if it had red in it or just grayish. The color blind people are the exception.

That may be true, but ultimately it is Mind that interprets those vibrations. The eye sends the information to the brain, which results in a reaction that is interpreted by the Mind.  For example - under hypnosis a subject would happily swear that black is white and vice versa, because while under hypnosis their Subconscious Mind has been instructed to believe that.

We all agree that grass is green, because we have been taught that grass is "green", but what you see as green might be completely different to wht someone else sees.

Beyond Earth there are a vast array of colours that do not exist on Earth - but how can you describe those colours when there is no common point of reference or names for those colours?

Only Spirit is real, and Spirit exists as pure Energy beyond all concepts of form.

In Love and ight,

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« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2008, 06:15:06 »

Hi Adrian, Wave and All,

My understanding of “we all individually create our reality” is as follows;-

1. From the videos, I have learned that there are three ways I individually create my realities; - 
    consciously (thoughts and expectations), subconsciously (thoughts, beliefs and expectations) and 
    through my Soul. These three ways effectively happen either individually or simultaneously.

2. Everything in my awareness therefore, experience, etc is my creation either consciously, 
    subconsciously or through my Soul. Let us call it “all are in my holograph”.

3. That must therefore include other human beings whose bodies are in any case   illusions. These   
    illusions  however do not include their souls which I cannot experience anyway.

4. Hence if I see any color say green, and Wave sees the same green, then not only have I created the 
    color green, I have also created Wave to agree with me that the color is green. Wave is in my 
    holograph including the color green.

5. If on the other hand Wave does not agree with me that the color is green, still I have created Wave 
    to disagree with me.

6. If Wave is color blind but still in my holograph, then I am creating Wave to be color blind.

However, there is no way I can know what Wave creates in his holograph. It is far beyond my perception, understanding and experience. In Wave's holograph, he could very easily NOT be color blind. Here he is his own creation.

This is my understanding.

Peace and Love to All.

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« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2008, 06:42:09 »

Hi Baki Hanma,

From my understanding above and if it makes sense to you, then my response to your query would be as follows;-

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I must seem like one of the most rational people ever but I can't see how this is all in illusion in the manner most people explain it  . I understand that it is out senses that perceive our physical world; however it must still be solid in some respects. For example, a spin off of the old "if a locker slams and nobody is there to hear it, does it make a sound"? - Another one is if a blind person cannot see a book in front of him, does it exist? Some stated that it doesn't exist to the blind man for he cannot perceive it. However, if you were to place it on his lap he could still feel it but what if he was paralyzed and could not feel it? Does it still exist? He may not have a sense of touch but I'm sure he can tell if someone where to place something in his hand or drop a bowling ball on his foot - though he wouldn’t feel pain, he could still feel the pressure.

Let us take the case of the blind person. If the book was placed on his lap and he could feel it, the book is still not real. Why? Because the part of his body that feels is his brain (not his lap) which has decoded the electrical impulses emanating from the lap of the blind man.

The fact that you can touch something which feels hard does not make it real. The hardness is in your brain.

In other words, all the five senses do is send electrical impulses to the brain where these impulses are decoded. There is no way you can get out of your brain to prove that something is real.

I hope this makes it clearer.

Peace and Love to All.

Kendar
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