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« on: September 10, 2008, 04:36:45 »

Dear all,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7604293.stm

This sort of endeavour to me is one of the greatest paradoxes of humanity right now.

These people have spent £5 billion or $10 billion to build a machine to investigate sub-atomic particles and what happened after the "big bang" which never actually happened in the first place.

Impressive though this equipment is - and it is extremely impressive - it simply demonstrates the fact that scientists and people generally are still seeking answers in the Newtonian physical Universe instead of where the answers really are - within - in consciousness.

I would also observe that $10 billion would make a very big difference to millions of starving people around the world, as well as those who have lost everything to hurricanes etc.

It just shows what a perverse and topsy turvy world we live in for now where science experiments, space travel and all of the covert stuff that goes on from the "black budget"  - the trillion dollars of tax payers money that goes missing every year from the US reservers to finance the nwo basically - is placed ahead of human beings and life generally.

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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2008, 07:54:25 »

Dear Adrian,

I have been following this story for some time.
It is quite amazing the amount of money spent on this project, even with so many countries participating in it.
I have read articles and interviews with physicists not stuck in the Newtonian age that warn this project could cause serious risk to the planet, even in creating a black hole.
The project proceeded with no focus on the outcome, just a " lets see what happens when we smash these together " attitude.

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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2008, 08:09:59 »

Dear Darrell,

Yes - it definitely is an expensive toy. Who knows - it might be instrumental in what events take place over the next few years.

I personally believe the biggest danger is in creating anti-matter. If that happens and it is not controlled, it would leave a very big hole in Europe and probably shift the Earth's orbit and/or poles at the same time.

What the scientists just do not get is that all this is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2008, 09:39:04 »

What would be ironic, but yet a nice irony, is if this super collider guided them toward the understanding that the so-called "secrets of the universe" cannot be discovered with any physical machinery.  But I sense that might be putting too much hope onto die-hard materialistic scientists who are strongly focused and dedicated to Newton's laws of physics.

I can't help but wonder that a machine that is so costly and massive if there are other agenda's involved other than discovering the origins of the Universe.  Ahhh, but now that's getting into more conspiracy theories again, hehe.  I bet there's web sites right now populating like crazy with all sorts of hidden agendas with this new collider.   wink

Well, anyway, it'll be interesting to see what happens after they turn it on.
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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2008, 10:08:23 »

Hello Kailaurius,

I can't help but wonder that a machine that is so costly and massive if there are other agenda's involved other than discovering the origins of the Universe. 

Exactly.

A bunch of academics don't get given $10 billion just like that to play with a new research toy. It actually went over budget a few times and they were given another few billion.

The words "hidden" and "agenda" definitely come to Mind.

If they were able to create and contain anti-matter, it would make the entire nuclear arsenal of the world look like a christmas cracker by comparison Smiley

In Love and Light,

Adrian.
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« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2008, 13:59:26 »

Greetings all,

I just read that hackers from Greece hacked into the Hadrons computers on the first day of operation. Posting a message
" We are the 2600 don't mess with us "

The scientists found it quite ' disturbing ' that they were hacked into so easily and quickly.
God I love this stuff !!!

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« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2008, 14:55:02 »

Dear Darrell,

The scientists might well have found it "quite disturbing" as well they might, but it is far from unprecedented.

There is a long running case of a so called "hacker" from the UK, "breaking in" to thousands of government computers in the US, particularly NASA and the military. He is basically a "geek" who was looking for evidence of US government cover-ups of UFO activity.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5157674.stm

Gary Mckinnon also has Asbergers Syndrome.

Every single computer he accessed had no password attached to the Administrator account which is the most serious transgression a computer administrator could make. When he accessed the computers - which were all running Windows, he typed a command that lists all other users of the same computer at the time, and there were literally hundreds of people from all around the world browsing the same computer at the same time, implying that over time thousands or even tens of thousands of people were doing the same thing.

He never actually altered anything on any of the PC's - he was simply looking for evidence.

Now the US government want to extradite him to stand trial in the US where he will likely get life imprisonment. The US government claimed that he caused "millions of dollars worth of damage" to the PC's.

What it comes down to is the fact that they were embarrassed about the entire security lapse, and want to divert attention away from it by making him out to be some sort of super computer criminal.

What they should be doing is give him a large reward for discovering all of these security loopholes in these most important computers.

It looks as if the US have got there own way - he lost his appeal to the highest court in Europe.

As an aside he actually did find plenty of evidence of UFO cover-ups. There are whole departments at the US secret services dedicated to air brushing out UFOs from weather satellite photographs before they are released to the met offices.

Obviously the lessons about security have not been learned - those computers that were "hacked" probably had no password.

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Adrian.




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« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2008, 15:08:28 »

Adrian ~ Thank you. You just opened this ones eyes to 'seeing her brother' with New Eyes.

This post of Adrian and myself actually would fit the cubby of Creative Play ~ This is how it floes...


I love you for sharing your lunch, It was energizing for the journey. Also ingested as, 'What's your order?, I'll Be Having the Full Course, as my brothers, sisters, or in my case KISS = 1X1X1X...

Christmas for all around... God Bless Me and Everyone...

A Simple Child Prayer. See any doubt here? Or sense of Harm?


I'll foot the go around ( I've got it (i'm prepared and ready with my shoes on and Light charged...) ...

Aka: Advanced Curriculum for the Adept:

Science of the Earth Element: Description (describes) Definition ( how one is viewing the One Lesson, Being shared ( 1) x 1 = (together as 1 or divided of 2 whole sides of 1.  All Sides For 1= 2=1, in every which way to be 1 equal in every way. I like this!

a 'yes ' way of Expectation.   (Science of Family ex (X) pectations)  Grounding aka as providing the perfect soil for perfect growth patterns of Seed sprouts into all possibilities; 'weed'/thinking/what do i have to do?

OR Bridge (moving through the Center (heart  wink..into... WHAT?!? You 'worry' 'think' too much. Just BE InJoy.

Namaste

Julia


I will PM you my brother in my tribal family photo email address...
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« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2008, 15:33:55 »

Hello Adrian and Julia,

I read about that case. He will either get life in prison, or a life term working for the govt. Same sentence if you ask me.

I also read about a quarterly periodical called ' Group 2600 ' for hackers, they even have conferences and conventions. The idea of publishing the access codes and new tech used in govt and private industry they say is to point all the holes in the systems that are so called ' hack proof '
I love that for every new techno govt cover up there is some out there exercising their imagination and intelligence. When they lock down the web on us, someone will just bring it back up.

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« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2008, 21:45:41 »

Dear Adrian and Darrell ~

I have a funny way of doing equations. And I have shared that I am quirky about some of these things so, no surprise here. wink

Yes, Darrell, some things are like plants when cut off at the top continue to grow very deep roots underground.

Love to you both and All ~

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« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2008, 09:06:33 »

Hi All.

As we progress in this journey, we need also to understand ALL there is so that when asked by others, we can give accurate and correct answers. In this respect, it is worthwhile understanding how the Universe began.

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These people have spent £5 billion or $10 billion to build a machine to investigate sub-atomic particles and what happened after the "big bang" which never actually happened in the first place.

Now in perusing through the forums, the closest I can to answering the question; “How did the Universe begin? Was from the following quote; by Adrian.

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In the beginning was a vibrations that was "projected" by the uncreated, incomprehensible Being, that set in to motion the entire Universe. Yet we must also keep in Mind that this all took place in a moment and will conclude in the same moment - all creation is literally an "idea" in the Mind of God.

Am I therefore correct to assume that this quote is the correct answer to the question;- “How did the Universe begin? And if so, could it be simply put for all to understand?

Peace and Love to All.

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« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2008, 09:47:49 »

Hello Kendar,

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In the beginning was a vibrations that was "projected" by the uncreated, incomprehensible Being, that set in to motion the entire Universe. Yet we must also keep in Mind that this all took place in a moment and will conclude in the same moment - all creation is literally an "idea" in the Mind of God.

Am I therefore correct to assume that this quote is the correct answer to the question;- “How did the Universe begin? And if so, could it be simply put for all to understand?


Yes I believe this is the correct answer, but we must also keep in Mind that "begin" is only relevant in the context of "time" which in turn is only relevant, for now at least, in the context of the physical Universe.

Notwithstanding, as Source, The First Cause, God is at the centre - the highest Vibration - of all creation, and God created the Universe including the physical Universe, them the physical Universe must have originated from God at the highest Vibration and extended uniformly outwards until Vibration became so low as to differntiate in to matter.

Scientists believe the "big bang" originated at some point in the physical Universe, but cannot understand why their data does not support it. Of course what scientists tend to do is to make their data fit their beliefs.

Even from a logical point of view - where could such a massively powerful point of Energy have come from, and how and why did it explode to create the massively diverse Universe that we see today?

One main difference between ourselves and scienentists is that they believe the Universe is chaotic and creation of stars, planets and even life is random and separate, whereas we know that all creation is Divinely orchestrated and we, along with all life and manifestations are actually an integral part of the Universe and therefore of God.

This is why the scientists at CERN are looking for the "God" particle with their $10Bn experiment, when all they need do is look in the mirror and then look within for all the answers which cost nothing at all.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.
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« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2008, 04:02:16 »

Hi Adrian,

I have just been thinking about this statement;-

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Notwithstanding, as Source, The First Cause, God is at the centre - the highest Vibration - of all creation, and God created the Universe including the physical Universe, then the physical Universe must have originated from God at the highest Vibration and extended uniformly outwards until Vibration became so low as to differentiate in to matter.

And comparing it to what the Bible says in connection to how the physical Universe came to be.  I find that there are subtle similarities. If this is so, and if I was talking to a believer of the Bible, how then would I convince him that it was not the same God we were talking about?

Peace and Love to All.

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« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2008, 08:09:43 »

Hello Kendar,

And comparing it to what the Bible says in connection to how the physical Universe came to be.  I find that there are subtle similarities. If this is so, and if I was talking to a believer of the Bible, how then would I convince him that it was not the same God we were talking about?

There are subtle similarities, but 47% of people in the USA are "creationists", that is to say they believe that Earth is around 6000 years old, and Adam and Eve were created by God as the first humans. They also believe that God is a stern deity that "sits" up there creating things and punishing people for their "sins". There is a big row going on in the UK because both the Christian and Islamic churches want "creationism" to be taught in schools as if it were a fact. They believe that dinosaurs were put on Earth after it was created 6000 years ago, but they died in Noah's flood. They also believe that palaeontology is a conspiracy against the church.

What the church - and this includes all of the Abrahamic religions - Christianity, Judaism and Islam - fails to note is that, for example, Adam and Eve were the first created Man and Woman, then their subsequent relationships with their children and between their children must have been incestuous - there is no other possible conclusion. The same applies to Noah and Mrs. Noah after the great flood.

We can prove evolution easily through the fossil record and through DNA which proves that all life began with a common distant ancestor. Humans for example share 60% of our genes with a banana, and 98% with apes and chimps.  This could not possibly be true if we did not share common ancestors.

The creationists provide zero evidence except for "God's word" in the Bible itself, which of course is not evidential.

Adam and Eve are in fact a metaphor for the current evolution of human beings - who are about to evolve again to the next evolution.

Where the similarities exist is for example in the beginning when God created the Heavens and the Earth "He" said "Let there be Light". Well of course God is pure formless Energy and did not actually "say" anything, but nevertheless the Light originated with God, and gave rise to the Universe.

As for the 6 "days" of creation - "days" should actually read "ages", each age being millions of years, humans appearing towards the end of that process.

The difficulty is that both Old and New Testaments are heavily encoded, but religion, not seeing that - or intended to - simply takes each word literally.

So what can we say that we have in common?

Well we can say that in the beginning was God and God created the Universe. We can also say that we are the Children of God, but even that might not satisfy many religious fundamentalists.

What I am finding is happening now is that increasingly more people are questioning the basis of their beliefs, becoming dissatisfied and seeking elsewhere - a major reason this time was chosen for my own book which compares many religions.

When I get LDS or Jehovah's witnesses coming to my door, I always treat them with great respect. But I also ask them the same question:

"What is it about your religion that caused you to dedicate your life to it, even to the extent of travelling from door to door with your message?"

They can never answer the question unless I answer it for them, because the answer always is that they subscribe to that religion because they were born to parents that subscribe to it, and their parents before them and so on for generations. They have never taken the time to evaluate all the options and subscribe to a religion that most closely fits how they feel.

So my approach these days is to simply ask questions that causes people to think and ask questions of themselves.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.








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« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2008, 06:00:17 »

Hi All,

Adrian. Thanks. This is certainly a very clear and exhaustive answer and leaves no doubt as to how the Universe began.

Very strong argument points made by the DNA comparisons viz a viz the descendants of Adam & Eve and Noah and his missus.

Yes, in many types of Bibles, there is chorological record of creation up to the Revelation which gives about 4,000 years of era of humans. Yes, the fossil studies completely negate these records fully. Thanks.

I appreciate you Adrian.

Peace and Love to All.

Kendar
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