God or Extraterrestrials created Adam?

[wavepsychic]

I enjoy you too Julia

[sativaguitar]

Last night I was just browsing through this section of the forum looking for material on the Essenes and I came across this particular thread. I was going through it and then found a quote from Adrian that just jumped out at me and didn't " Feel " right in my heart . It is on the second page ..

 the quote is

"There is nothing you can "say" to Source, God, "Father" within you, because Source does not recognise or respond to human words - which is why the prayer used in churches has no effect "

 This doesn't feel right to me. The source must recognise human words. The one is omnipresent it is the frequency and vibration of those words, It is the energy and vibration behind the person who says them it is everything in existence. It is the intelligence behind the creation of all there is including language and the creators of all languages. The one feels the feeling behind the words it is all encompassing is it not? I know the heart has the strongest electromagnetic field and that the feeling from the heart is stronger than just a thought or a word but that doesn't mean The one / source doesn't recognise words. For us to even comprehend god is impossible it's to much for us surely. I think to say the source doesn't understand words is a little bit of a stab in the dark. The reason I bring this up is I do it all the time. I "talk " to the source the one or whatever when meditating, Walking in nature, all the time. Not necessarily a prayer but just talking... like to a mate. It gives me a connection. Sorry to bleat on but yeah it jumped out at me when i wasn't lookin for it and it stayed in my mind so I thought I'd share my thoughts and see what others think.
Peace Gary

[wavepsychic]

Hello Gary, I do not agree nor disagree.

The debate continues about language being created by humans or a gift from nature. In my honest opinion it is created by humans considering how many different languages there are out there. Words alone have no meaning and the Source itself isn't a person that was raised into a particular language.

Consider this rice experiment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1nCeFdHZu0

The words by themselves would have no effect unless someone observed those words that the rice was labeled with. The thoughts and feelings that people associate with those words has a cause and effect relationship with the rice and even the jar as well since the Source is present in all things and thoughts are energy. It also has to do with how much bacteria are in the jars but they should be relatively the same amount. Those who claim to debunk this experiment fail to apply thoughts and feelings to the jars everyday. They instead only label them with words and think that is the same thing.

When it comes to communicating with the Source most Christians and other religious people will be talking to this imaginary person with words alone. Words can help you focus your feelings and intentions however alone they are meaningless unless you put meaning too them. There is never a time when any given person is not communicating with the Source with his/her thoughts and feelings. This is true even for Atheist.

I also feel it is nessacary to point out that most people breath very shallow. Considering how important breathing is to our health and servival it shouldn't be surprising that we acquire most of our life force from breathing. When we are stressed we stop breathing, when we are eat we stop breathing, when we are full we stop breathing. I do not mean we sufficate as much as we just hold our breath or breath just enough to survive. When Christians and the like pray they also are not breathing. Aloha actually means "without Breath" since Americans visiting Hawaii did not breath in Mana before they pray.

So from my point of view you are to pray by breathing in life force first then using your thoughts and feelings. Although it seems there is never a time when you are not praying to the Omnipresent Source through our thoughts and feelings.

[sativaguitar]

Thanks for that wave that was an interesting post. Made me look at it a different way. When I do "pray" or communicate I always put my feeling in to what I am saying from my heart . I have just finished watching Greg Braden and his thoughts on the power of the feeling behind the prayer and how much more important the feeling is than just the words and how to use things to create that feeling before doing so. Kinda fits in to what you have just shown me. Thanks for your time and effort I appreciate it; Gary

[juliainkc]

Hi Louis and Gary,

I really InJoyed both of your thoughts being expressed here truly! Louis, wow. Gary? I feel your Spirit in your 'words' and I Vibe with both you and Louis in this idea of 'prayer~meditation'... what I 'heard' Adrian saying here is what you are saying in a different way. The prayer used in churches is usually not uttered from 'feelings' (I'm not saying all prayers). I am sharing about rote prayers like Now I lay me down to sleep ... saying the same 'words' over and over again... more out of obligation and not from experiencing the Union with Source.

I agree with Gregg Braden's thoughts too and ones like this regarding the art (Heart) of effective 'prayer' ~

"Meditation is the tongue of the soul,and the language of our Universe."
~Jeremy Taylor

Much Love you guys,

Julia

[Kadensnga]

I feel that because we have anchors and parameters that we have developed within ourselves which are very complex systems..., we , manytimes need something to help generate our vibration of communing in spirit. For some that is prayer, others a sort of meditation... if words stimulate the mind and belief systems to a vibrational level that is harmonic with the all that is...the words it is...in truth we cannot be seperated from God/Source... all of these things are just things we do in order to try and get our physical apparatus into vibrational harmony with the idea. It's all good. Whatever works.

Ps. This is where I will add that it's important to "know thyself".

[juliainkc]

I agree John that it is a progression through the process. We do need things or props to help us along as we tap into the Source or Energy Stream within. It guides you along.

I will say it is like expressing ones Creative through song writing, sculpture, writing, drawing and painting and so on. Energy is what is felt by experiencing these things. Songs vibe with others on a scale of where one is at in the moment. We say a song 'speaks' to us, the words and melodies are felt and leaves an impression. There are songs where I don't remember all the words but I can remember the tune and the feeling from it.

The more in touch we are with ourself, we don't seem to 'need' alot of external stimulation because we realize where it is generating from and this surrendering to it is what seems to raise the 'language' to new heights such as in the poem shared by Reemet yesterday.

I agree whole Heartedly that it is important or the first thing to Know Thyself and All will be known. The All in All in us is forever giving of ITSelf through us.

InJoy this day,

Loves Peaceful Energy extending your way,

Julia 

[wavepsychic]

When I do "pray" or communicate I always put my feeling in to what I am saying from my heart.

That is all that matters.

"Meditation is the tongue of the soul,and the language of our Universe."
~Jeremy Taylor

Thank you for yet another beautiful quote.

[sativaguitar]

I'd just like to say thanks for all the posts and opinions here it has helped immensely. Gary

[juliainkc]

Namaste` Louis and Gary ~