God or Extraterrestrials created Adam?

[melody]

Gen 1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27  So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Gen 2:7  And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.


There are many who claim that human beings were created genetically by extraterrestrials. This is not what Bible claims. First of all, ETs (that is if they exist, they probably do) were also created by God. And no ET could really create an intelligent life form solely out of dust, as Bible claims God did. Only God can.

Another reasoning why man was supposedly created by ETs is the fact that Geneses states “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness”. Since he is only one God, he could not have spoken in plural. Therefore, it is claimed, they were ETs who created a man in their own likeness, and who were gods to men.

However, it could have been an imperial “we”, in the same way the Queen Elizabeth refers to herself in her speeches. She always says “We”, never “I”. One also should keep in mind that God had already created other intelligent beings before creating Adam. The heavens were populated with angels. And those who had visions of angels in the past had always seen them in a human form. So maybe this is what God refers to, that Man is in the same image as the Angels he created, and Angels being expressions of himself. When God proclaimed his design to create Adam, he might have been addressing himself to the angels.

Is it possible that God also has some image form (or the one he can assume if he so wishes), the same as angels do, and which has the shape we do?

According to the Bible God created Man in the same sweep as he was creating the Earth itself and everything on it. I very much doubt that ETs could have created our planet, the Earth. So, it does not appear it were ETs that created Adam, regardless of the fact God refers to “our image”.

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

As with most of the Bible, these passages are symbolic and have inner meanings.

What the Bible means when it quotes "And God said, Let us make man in our image" is the Spiritual Image - in other words "Energy" not a physical image which only exists as an illusion in the physical World.

God, The Source is an Energy Field - All that Is. We exist as Thought Forms or individuated Energy Fields in the form of points of Consciousness in the Mind of God. But we, as individuated Energy Fields are made in the perfect image of the Supreme Energy Field.

We were not created by ET's, but we were highly likely modified by ET's, probably somewhere between 100,000 and 1 million years ag, at a genetic level. We know this because human DNA has aroud 400 imperfections due to failed ET tampering, and God never, ever created anything that was imperfect, and no animal or plant has any imperfections.

Also - God does not "speak", God is an Energy Source. Speech is a human construct for the physical world. God Inspires through the power of Thought, but not in words.

Angels have no form and neither do we beyond the physical world. People in the Astral believe they have a "body" and that belief actually creates one, but it is sill an illusion nevertheless. Our natural state is beyond form as an Energy Field around a point of Consciousness - who we really Are.

Earth is physically several billion years old. Planetary Spirit Gaia is of course timeless and ageless just as we are. The very first beginnings of humans, ot most ancient ancestors only appeared around 6.5 million years ago, and the beginnings of modern humans around 500,000 years ago, probably at the point of the ET tampering, so the two events are not related. The creation of Earth, i.e. Gaia took place beyond "space" and "time" when humans and all life where created from The Source - this is what this passage in the Bible means.

As I said, the Bible is very heavily encoded, and that is why religions are so drastically in error, because they interpreted it in theological terms, and literal physical terms, and for power and control, and nothing could be further from the truth.

Kind regards,

Adrian.
 

[melody]

Hello Adrian,

...human DNA has aroud 400 imperfections due to failed ET tampering, and God never, ever created anything that was imperfect, and no animal or plant has any imperfections.

Could you please tell me what is your source of this information?

I tried to find something about it on the Internet, but only came across articles that discuss DNA sequencing errors occurring in samples from different labs using different sequencing methods.

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

Could you please tell me what is your source of this information?

I tried to find something about it on the Internet, but only came across articles that discuss DNA sequencing errors occurring in samples from different labs using different sequencing methods.

I can't remember now - it was a couple of years ago that I looked into this. I know it was discussed by some of the well known "interventionists" - the people that study these subjects of ET intervention of humans.

Personally I find it almost completely irrelevant. It does not matter how we got here - there is no "yesterday" or "tomorrow", only Now - only the present moment is of importance, and that should be our focus, especially over the next few years.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[melody]

God, The Source is an Energy Field - All that Is.
... God is an Energy Source.

Hello Adrian,

Would you consider God to be Energy, or is Energy Source created by God? If God is energy and vibrations that would imply that he is of physical substance, though not of a material one. If he himself is energy and vibrations, then should we live beyond 2012, eventually, in several hundred more years from now, we would learn to measure and define all sorts of energy and vibrational fields that we have not yet figured out exist, or have not found out how to measure them. If the human kind is on this planet long enough, we might eventually be able to measure God's energy and his vibrations as well. Somehow I have a hard time to imagine that all that God is - is a physical energy. It would be really strange to measure God with measuring instruments.

If God is only some kind of energy, once we learn to measure this energy we might even go further and start manipulating and changing it. Imagine manipulating and changing God!

[melody]

I know it was discussed by some of the well known "interventionists" - the people that study these subjects of ET intervention of humans.

Hello Adrian,

Though I am interested in alternative ways of interpreting our past, I tend to keep a certain space from various theories proposed. Many such people have no real understanding of DNA, or physics, or other scientific fields whatever the case might be. Many of them only partially understand scientific theories and articles they read, and they have a tendency to bend what they have read as to fit their “pet” theories. Many time I find such new theories to turn out to be quite dogmatic, a kind of new religion, for their proponents and those who read those theories and writings and take them in wholeheartedly.

I strongly believe that everybody has to have a questioning mind and use such new theories for a sole purpose of expanding their faculty of possible (not certain) interpretation of reality, as not to become caught in the dogmas of any of the theories.

I know it is very hard for many people not to have a one solid view of the reality. They tend to accept one such view, and hold fast to it, to the point of it becoming a dogma for them.

It is really much more difficult to be in a constant flux, to be open minded to many new points of view, study them, but not accepting them totally, not absorbing them to the point of not questioning them and rejecting anything else.

[Rochester]

Melody,

Please Google David Icke for information about Reptilian/human interbreeding.  He has a website and many videos on youtube. 

[zensunni7]

Hello Rochester,

I can see into the metaphorical idea of all this, but not the literal. Just my view of the Universe and life on the great Blue planet. I do not need a long lesson to see humans lost in their reptilian minds / brain and the associated actions resulting from it.
Humans and Human Beings ~ not politically correct. But how many politically correct people does it take to change a light bulb? None - they live in the dark.
Like UFO cults, I believe there is great life out there, many Universes and galaxies, we are not alone, except perhaps in our self opinions of ourselves as a race.
So much power given away to Aliens as the only source of our genius over the last decades in tech and scientific breakthroughs and understandings. We seem hell bent on believing we could not have been the source of our own advancements and evolution.
On the same note, so much power given over to a mythical God.

WithIN Love
Darrell

[wavepsychic]

Hello Melody, Adrian, Darrel and Rochester

Melody I just love love love your forums. They are always what I am interested in.

I have also questioned the who Alien created humans thing. Some believe that each nationality was dropped off by Aliens. This doesn't explain why all humans share 99.9% of the same DNA. It also doesn't explain who dropped those Aliens off and the Aliens that dropped those ones off.

Earth is physically several billion years old. Planetary Spirit Gaia is of course timeless and ageless just as we are. The very first beginnings of humans, ot most ancient ancestors only appeared around 6.5 million years ago, and the beginnings of modern humans around 500,000 years ago, probably at the point of the ET tampering, so the two events are not related. The creation of Earth, i.e. Gaia took place beyond "space" and "time" when humans and all life where created from The Source - this is what this passage in the Bible means.

I totally agree with this. Remember the Continents are thousands of years older then the the oldest sea floor. The Earth wasn't made all at one time. I Totally agree with everything you said. The meaning is a Spiritual and timeless one.

Hello Adrian,

...human DNA has aroud 400 imperfections due to failed ET tampering, and God never, ever created anything that was imperfect, and no animal or plant has any imperfections.

Could you please tell me what is your source of this information?

I tried to find something about it on the Internet, but only came across articles that discuss DNA sequencing errors occurring in samples from different labs using different sequencing methods.

This is why I love  you Melody. Such a questioning mind. I was going to ask the same question anyway. However I would have asked it slightly different. What in our DNA is imperfect? Is everything in plant and animal DNA really perfect? Melody you can look up the Chromosomes of Apes and find that they have 24 pairs 48 in total. We have 23 pairs 46 in total. Which means two is missing.

Though I am interested in alternative ways of interpreting our past, I tend to keep a certain space from various theories proposed. Many such people have no real understanding of DNA, or physics, or other scientific fields whatever the case might be. Many of them only partially understand scientific theories and articles they read, and they have a tendency to bend what they have read as to fit their “pet” theories. Many time I find such new theories to turn out to be quite dogmatic, a kind of new religion, for their proponents and those who read those theories and writings and take them in wholeheartedly.

The Big Bang is a good example.

Melody,

Please Google David Icke for information about Reptilian/human interbreeding.  He has a website and many videos on youtube. 

I believe I had already studied him. His name looks familiar. However Adrian said in a different post that it was not the Reptilians that Engineered us.

So much power given away to Aliens as the only source of our genius over the last decades in tech and scientific breakthroughs and understandings. We seem hell bent on believing we could not have been the source of our own advancements and evolution.
On the same note, so much power given over to a mythical God.

I agree. We shouldn't give so much credit to mysterious entities. As if our own Consciousness had nothing to do with it.

I think this is very important to Theology, Spirituality and Science and I am very interested in this.

[Adrian]

Dear all,

These are indeed all interesting, but not important questions. The only relevant moment is Now.

If enough people start believing we are half reptilian, nephilim, or whatever, it will become a reality and that is not as a race where we want to be.

However - humans evolved through evolution plain and simple. All life on Earth has a common origin, whatever that origin might be, and wherever it came from.

This is why humans share 60% of our DNA with a Banana. And that is a fact.

It can only mean one thing - in primordial times humans and Banana's have common ancestors. Of course as we move up the tree of live we share even more DNA with fish, more again with reptiles, more again with a branch of mammals, 98% with Chimpanzee's and greater than that with some Apes.

This evolutionary process took billions of years and can be proved both through the fossil record and modern genetic research.

So we can put aside any notion of the Earth and everything we know today being "made by God in 6 days" before getting tired and deciding to have a rest on day 7

In order for two distinct genus of mammals to interbreed and produce viable offspring there needs to be a very close correlation in DNA. After that slight differences will produce sterile offspring, and less will produce offspring capable of breeding.

And then of course there mutations to consider. Mutation is the organic process behind evolution. If this were not true we would still be Amoeba The ultimate power behind this process is Universal Mind, Prime Creator, God. Mutations occur in accordance with Divine influence by Expressive Mind Principle.

It has very recently been almost proved after some relatively complete mitochondrial was extracted from a Neanderthal bone, that Neanderthal were close enough to Homo Sapien's to interbreed and produce viable, fertile offspring.  People think that Neanderthal were dumb, when in fact they had a larger brain than modern humans. It also seems likely that the power of speech came from Neanderthal DNA as well as other traits like "red" hair. It looks as if all Neanderthals had red hair.

So rather than being as primitive as some humans are today, and reacting against other races they do not understand by killing each other, it seems highly likely that they all along just fine, shared tools, art and other important skills, and of course DNA. Over Neanderthal simply merged their DNA with the Homo Sapien majority simply became one species - Homo Sapien.

Now the question arises as to how modern humans achieved the huge evolutionary jump.

I am aware of all of the stories about ancient humans breeding with ET's - be it reptilians, nephilim etc, but the reality is that a human has more chance of successfully breeding with a Banana than an ET because at least we share 60% of our DNA with a Banana.

I am not sure what a "Homo Nana" would look like, but they would probably be bent and have pale yellow slippery skin which could be unzipped if they got to warm

As for David Icke - I think the vast majority of his work relating to the dark forces etc is excellent and well researched. But as for his idea about reptilians breeding with human woman, eventually resulting in a shape-shifting "bloodline" that is now the "Illuminati, currently including the entire British Royal family, including the late queen mother who apparently every full moon became a rabid reptile who feasted on orphaned children collected on the streets of London - I draw a line at that, and won't even bother saying why.

So what do I think happened?

I don't know.

But my current tendency is towards an ET intervention around 600,000 years ago when they modified human DNA not only to create our current level of intelligence, but also to hack our DNA to basically reduce it to a helical 2 strand structure, basically to remove most of human "Higher" abilities and to isolate humans from Source, thereby making humans think the physical is all there is, and humans therefore had to "work" to get anywhere.  I also think it likely the reason why the Conscious Mind became so detached from the Subconscious Mind. The Subconscious Mind is an anomaly. We should create our entire reality through a direct conscious connection with who we really are, and the infinite powers we have as expressions of Source Energy, Universal Mind, God.

It is this connection that we are now reestablishing as we evolve once again during the transition of this 25,800 year cycle of Energy.

It is also my increasing and ongoing focus in my own writings, services and resources as we head towards the transition.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

 

[juliainkc]

I am not sure what a "Homo Nana" would look like, but they would probably be bent and have pale yellow slippery skin which could be unzipped if they got to warm

 I also think it likely the reason why the Conscious Mind became so detached from the Subconscious Mind. The Subconscious Mind is an anomaly. We should create our entire reality through a direct conscious connection with who we really are, and the infinite powers we have as expressions of Source Energy, Universal Mind, God.

It is this connection that we are now reestablishing as we evolve once again during the transition of this 25,800 year cycle of Energy.

It is also my increasing and ongoing focus in my own writings, services and resources as we head towards the transition.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

Dear Adrian and All ~

  That explains my soft skin!! Homo nana?!? God Adrian!! That is freaking brilliant.

Kiss and Hugs Adrian and All ~

Very well expressed, Namaste,

As you well know, Love in Divine Spirit expressing as,

Julia

[melody]

In a grand schemes of things it probably does not matter where we came from or how were we created. We simply are here and we should be making the best out of it. Yet our mind really ponders and wants to know! The theory of evolution is accepted by the majority of people on this Earth, but is this what really happened?

The experiments were conducted in which DNA was produced out of nothing. The scientists refer to it as Spontaneous DNA. Microbes were also grown out of thin air, created in a very short time. The first halve of the following video discusses this..

Spontaneous DNA, The Rapture, and The Rise to Fourth Density
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbewGohciYw

The video also talks about how in a laboratory a DNA of one animal – salamander - was redirected with a laser bean into a frog embryo with a final result of getting a salamander out of a frog’s egg, with no actual DNA mutation taking place.

It looks like no evolution might be necessary. Maybe we have overlapping DNA with other spices not because we evolved from each other, but because DNA are simply life building blocks – the same once as LOGO - used to create a different living entity – plant or an animal. The building blocks might have been simply re-assembled differently for each species, without any species actually springing from another species. Maybe there simply are God-created matrices according to which the life forms are reproduced, those matrices being independent of each other and not mutating or evolving into each other. If that is so, then the Creationists have some truth to their theory.

The fact that not all the fish has become some higher evolved beings but stayed as is for millennia points out that no evolution took place for that fish. The same goes for other species. Also, we are finding more and more so called Living Fossils. This points out that those spices existed in prehistoric times and still exists, and that they have not evolved or mutated into anything else.

In the Creationists videos at this link
http://www.ourultimatereality.com/forums/evolution-or-creation-t502.0.html

it is shown how the so-called fossils can be produced in a very short time. So maybe the presence of life on this planet has not been as protracted and does not go back millions of years as claimed by scientists, which are needed for the evolution to take place..

Did humans evolved from the monkeys or had they always existed as a separate species? Maybe they were always a separate species for which God has a matrix, and for which God uses the same building blocks – DNA - as for all the other living creatures.

Did we evolve partially from mixing with Neanderthal? The fact that the Neanderthal had a bigger brain than us does not imply that they were more intelligent than us. The elephant also has a bigger brain than Homo Sapiens. It is not the weight of the brain that counts but its inner efficient organization that makes for a higher intelligence.

By the same token, having more DNA strands does not necessarily would imply more abilities for the being. Sometimes the simplest and most elegant design is the most effective one, the most flexible, the most adjustable, and with the most actual possibilities. The fact that we have fewer DNA markers than the chimpanzees, and are more intelligent than them would prove that more and bigger might not necessarily be better.

The second half of the same video theorized as to how we can be transported to a different reality in 2012.

Spontaneous DNA, The Rapture, and The Rise to Fourth Density
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbewGohciYw

[Adrian]

Dear Melody,

Thank you for a very balanced and informative post.

Much of what you say I would agree with, but at the same time we need to be careful about "putting 2 and 2 together to make 5".

As the saying goes which applies to many situations "absence of evidence does not necessarily mean evidence of absence".

It is absolutely true that DNA can be manipulated, modified, morphed and even created - and there are many ET races out there, as well as on Earth even now that can do that - and do.

It is also true that in our pre-intervention state our genetics contained many more strands of DNA in the helix - possible 12, 10 of which were probably removed by ET's the direct result of which was to cut human conscious connection with Source, so humans could be controlled and manipulated. At the same time humans evolved to the potential of the current level, but only with specific abilities necessary to the ET's while ensuring humans could not draw power from Source.  I must add that none of this is proven, and all evidence is entirely circumstantial.

However - you have no doubt heard about the "activation" of the missing strands of DNA. This is possible because of the Principle "As Above, So Below" or rather "As Within, So Without". Organic matter associated with the human body can be converted - it can never be destroyed as Energy - and that includes DNA. The missing strands still exist in the Energy Body - the physical body being a reflection of the Energy body - the reason why Energy based healing works - use the Mind to heal the Energy body, and and the physical body will reflect that.  This is also why amputees feel a "phantom limb". The phantom limb is the Etheric equivalent which can be sensed only in the absence of the physical limb.

Regarding fossils - there is no way in my view they have been faked. Fossil appear when they erode out of the ground in areas corresponding to the strata of the era in question. This is an ongoing process. The vast majority of fossils have yet to be discovered because they are still beneath the ground embedded in rock, often hundreds of feet beneath the Earth. There is a small island off the south coast of England, the Isle of Wight,  where every winter, when there have been storms, fossils around 120 million years old weather out of the cliffs - and we are talking about large quantities of very big sauropods, as well as carnivores - the entire eco system of the time. People walking along the beach find huge fossil footprints so heavy they cannot be lifted.

So I am sure that evolution proceeded naturally until between 4 million and 600,000 years ago, because the ET's had no use for taming dinosaurs or the early mammals. The early hominids were the first opportunity for intervention by genetic manipulation.

So we need to keep a balanced, informed perspective based upon what evidence we can verify.  ET intervention cannot be verified, although there is still a "missing link" somewhere in the human family tree.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

[wavepsychic]

Thank you Melody and Adrian for such extremely exciting post!

The fact that not all the fish has become some higher evolved beings but stayed as is for millennia points out that no evolution took place for that fish. The same goes for other species. Also, we are finding more and more so called Living Fossils. This points out that those spices existed in prehistoric times and still exists, and that they have not evolved or mutated into anything else.

That does not disprove Evolution simple because those fish didn't need to evolve. They stayed how they are for the most part. Not exactly but you are not exactly like your parents. If something like all algae in the sea somehow died then they would all need to evolve somehow. Evolution comes through a need. Creation does however have some facts because the Source did make everything or in other words we made our Physical selves out of God. Everything exist beyond the physical outside of time. However I must move on to something far more important! A question for Adrian.

It is absolutely true that DNA can be manipulated, modified, morphed and even created - and there are many ET races out there, as well as on Earth even now that can do that - and do.

It is also true that in our pre-intervention state our genetics contained many more strands of DNA in the helix - possible 12, 10 of which were probably removed by ET's the direct result of which was to cut human conscious connection with Source, so humans could be controlled and manipulated. At the same time humans evolved to the potential of the current level, but only with specific abilities necessary to the ET's while ensuring humans could not draw power from Source.  I must add that none of this is proven, and all evidence is entirely circumstantial.

However - you have no doubt heard about the "activation" of the missing strands of DNA. This is possible because of the Principle "As Above, So Below" or rather "As Within, So Without". Organic matter associated with the human body can be converted - it can never be destroyed as Energy - and that includes DNA. The missing strands still exist in the Energy Body - the physical body being a reflection of the Energy body - the reason why Energy based healing works - use the Mind to heal the Energy body, and and the physical body will reflect that.  This is also why amputees feel a "phantom limb". The phantom limb is the Etheric equivalent which can be sensed only in the absence of the physical limb.

Tell me EVERYTHING you know! I must change my DNA. You always say we have complete control over our lives but how can we if we don't have control over our bodies? If I have an Enzyme that changes hormones in my body and someone that I want to look like doesn't have very much of this Enzyme or a lot of that hormone, What do I do?! If I want my hair or eye brows to look like someone else's and grow naturally that way what do I do? If I want to change my body type and be more muscular or skinnier which is a hormonal issue what do I do? If I want to switch DNA on or off, or manifest from the field of energy "that is me" some gene that someone else has and I don't what do I do? If I want to morph into someone else that I already look a lot like as far as nationality yet would much rather look just like this other person what do I do? I try to Meditate on it, imagine I am, feel I am, month after month, affirmation after affirmation and still very little results if any at all. What is the correct exercise to influence my soul body to recreate thyself the way I feel most comfortable?

If I want to live in a particular house I could do it, if I wanted to work in a particular career I can do it, if I wanted to live in a warm place I can do it. However more then anything in the whole world I want to live in the body of my choice. This is the main thing that will keep me reincarnating. I have to have this if anything at all! In order to control the DNA itself what do you suggest. I need your help, anything at all, I will try anything! I want my body to listen when I tell the Molecules to do something. How can I reincarnate without dieing or losing the memory of my desire? If I live in a Pyramid would that let me be who I want to be physically? I just hope you understand that if others can get what they desire, be it a car or house more then anything why can't I manifest the temple of my soul that I desire?

Thank you Adrian, please save me from the feeling of being a victim of "Gods plan" or "Chance". This desire shall never go away until I experience it.

[Adrian]

Dear Wavepsyhcic,

Although I said that DNA can be modified etc through physical intervention, this is not the way we must approach this issue. It is like correcting eyesight by wearing spectacles. You may think you can see better, but you are really seeing less.

You cannot get what you desire by changing your DNA you can only change your DNA by becoming that which you desire.

As you will see from my newsletter which I will write today - the only way we can change is by becoming closer to Source, thereby allowing Source to express Abundance, Health, Perfection through us and at the same time we become more Enlightened and Transformed.

So if you wish to have those changes you must first be those changes, but only in the Highest interests of Source, All, One as well as humanity.

You cannot have one without the other. As Jesus said "Of Mine Self I can do nothing. It is the Father Within Me - He Doeth the Works".

I suggest you meditate on that.

Those that make the Transition will be Transformed, but Life will take on a very different perspective.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.