Greetings and Wellness To All,
So interesting are the questions posed on this forum. Have posted my thoughts and views on all the posts here, in one write. This will allow my thoughts to be read in one write as opposed to the many it would otherwise require. I thank all for the opportunity to share my thoughts here.
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God created us in his own image.
(Talker) Here as I see it, is where confusion steps in. Yes, the bible states "how we were created". Yet, as I recall, the bible also states, "no one has seen the face of God". Also what appears as a contradiction, the bible states "and God appeared to", so what "form" was that in! Yes, here I do not reference ALL the material involved, here, otherwise this post would become like a book. For lack of descriptive words, as applies to God, will use the term Spirit, here. If God is Spirit, that is, or would seem to be "us in his own image", spirit, not the physical body, but the Spirit IN that body. Why the physical form as with Adam and Eve, must have been creativeness on Gods part. I'm stuck with this part, and still give it thought.
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We have evil part to us.
(Talker) Would appear that this is true, but begs the question, was it Gods doing, or human creativity.
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We constantly fight between good and evil.
(Talker) One can find twenty or more terms to describe evil, in the dictionary.So even being angry, can be said, to be evil. Improper eating, lack of love, harming life form, and on and on, can fall into this catagory.
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Does God want to experience this fight and therefore feel and know what it is to be evil?
(Talker) I would say yes to this.
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And expand through it?
(Talker) Ah, come the most mysterious part now. Have come to the conclusion, that God, as we think of God, is still learning from His/Her creation. Many years ago, I read about a war in heaven, ( don't recall the source) where the spirit entities within God, clamored for feeling and expression. This has long been a deep thought issue, with no answers, for me. As I vaguely recall, this is where the creation of the world supposedly took place.The spirit entities, were allowed to materialize into the physical world. All sorts of things took place, that I won't go into here.
But I think this answers the Nephilim and the Sons of God, mentioned in the bible, that have been questionable, and unanswerable to me. Is this what we refer to as the Fall?
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I know it is said that God is only all good, and he gave us a free choice to be evil, abut if he wants to experience through us... well, I am back to square one - does he want to experience evil as well? If he experiences evil and knows it than it is as part of him as good is.
(Talker) Many tend to view God as having our human traits. I feel that, that is a human error with our thinking process. Is it possable that God is still learning from His/Her creation! I think so, otherwise how could God have been somewhat displeased with the wickedness of man that was taking place,and was sorry he had made man!
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It is also said evil is from Devil and Devil is not God and so evil is not part of God. And evil was supplied to us by the Devil, not by God, because God is all good and did not create evil.
(Talker) Lucifer (Bringer of Light), Satan or Devil, was purported to be one of Gods favorites. So it appears that God can misstep with what happens, as hard as that is to comprehend.
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Devil is a fallen angel that was also given a free choice to be what he wanted to be. If God created everything there is, he also created evil so Devil, the fallen angel created by God, could choose it. Or did devil had an omnipotence to create the primordial evil all by himself? Once again I am back to the statement that God created everything that is. Therefore devil could not have created evil Was it there for him to choose it instead of good?
(Talker) Would seem that up to a point, all the Spirit entities within God, shared the same power as God. What that schism or point was, or could have been escapes my thinking process. So much we need to learn, if even possible to do so.
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What we create is part of us, it is not disassociated from us. Therefore evil is part of God?
(Talker) Have read that God is Love, pure Love and non-judgemental. If this is true than evil is not of God. If not of God, than it appears, as with Lucifer, evil came into existance after creation, So it would seem that Gods creation, does possess, remarkable creative powers, but lessor than Gods total power. Yes, yes, sounds crazy, perhaps is crazy, and appears that the more one delves into these deep thoughts, the behinder they get, answer wise.
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If Devil was able to create something that God did not create, then the statement that God created everything there is not valid. And therefore he is not omnipotent. But if he is omnipotent and he indeed created everythin that is, and he created it out of his own firmament, out of himself, (in his own image), than part of him is evil?
(Talker) As stated above, both yes and no, would seem to equally apply here. Yes God is omnipotent, and Lucifer created evil. Only because of our human perspective of being unable to comprehend the magnitude of this situation. From the human perspective, the student can surpass the teacher. At the Spirit level, is it possible, that the Creator also learns, from the spirit entity's creativeness!
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The New Age philosophy claims that evil does not exist, that it is only an illusion created through the people’s illusion of duality and separation.
(Talker) More and more, as science advances, this is not so far fetched as it appears. When I read about the experiments taking place, where "something" materializes from nowhere, into the "physical" and disappears into "noplace", I must admit, I'm as totally confused and lost, as the scientist are.
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On the grander scheme of things, if we had conquered the illusion of separation and embraced the sense of oneness with everybody and everything that is, the evil would stop to exist (or at least I hope so). But as the things stand now, evil does exist, and the vibrations it emits are pretty strong.
(Talker) Wild as it superficially seems at first, one group recently offered to reduce crime levels in a city, through prayer and meditation, for a few million or so, dollars. On a smaller scale, but in an equally grand manner, isn't that what much of these forums are talking about! When one is "out of body", where are you! If one has awareness, while "out of body", and are in the spirit world, leaving the physical body behind, what else are we unaware of! More to the point, where are we, when not in the body!
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If God wants to experience himself through every material aspect of himself that he created in the material world for the sole purpose of experiencing himself, I have a hard time trying to understand why would he want to experience himself through
wars, famine, and atrocities of various kinds. I don’t understand how would he want to experience himself through a two year old girl whose brains are blown out – the incident in Iraq war discussed in the first half of this video.
(Talker) I don't believe that God plans those events. Do believe that God is learning through those events, that mankind has manifested with his (mans) human mind. Recent reading of, Courageous Souls by Robert Schwartz, and Disappearance of
The Universe by Gary Renard, has really thumpt my thinking processes, into new directions. Mind boggling concepts, and thoughts to pursue. When enough good, evil,and whatever else takes place, I think that is when evolutionary changes happen.
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And at last I want to say:Is our knowledge about God is completely sufficient to the extent that we are sure of what we claim about God. Everyday we discover more about our selves. Till today 80% of the universe is still ambiguous to scientists, we don’t even know exactly what electricity is, so how come we arrived to conclusions about The Creator, when we are still ignorant about the majority of His creation.
(Talker) So if the Spirit of God is within us, as we learn more about ourselves, are we not also learning more about God, in this process! If God were a constant, perhaps, at a future date, one could possibly say " I know about God". I feel that God as we think we know God, is a God in a state of flux. Still learning. Wild as it seems, it is food for thought. By the way, I truly enjoy this forum, with it's many participants, with open, but questioning minds. No ridicule, just open converstion for discussion, regardless of accepted or disputed doctrines.
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You are right that evil is the absence of good. Yet evil still exists, it is not a void. If God did not create this evil vibration, who did? Then we also cannot claim that God created everything there is. We would have to acknowledge that there is another force in the universe, besides God. And I really would not want to acknowledge that.
(Talker) Yes, I believe there is another force at play, mans thoughts. But this force can be modified by proper/positive thinking. Again, positive thinking is part and parcel of what this forum is about, isn't it. Investigating how to improve ones life, and help restore harmony to this physical world, and more importantly learn about the true nature of God, word by word.
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Your two examples about coldness and blindness – I have no problem accepting as a part of the God’s bigger plan, these are not evil.
(Talker) Some what difficult to express, but I believe God's "bigger plan" for us, is in Gods knowing that regardless of how long it takes us, or how much we might stumble in returning "home", we will all ultimately, be back within God, ready for another go around of experiences.
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The little poem from Koran is beautiful. Many verses in the Bible are also beautiful. But what exactly do they mean? You can interpret them this way and that way, and during the centuries they were used to interpret spiritual teachings in a new light, whatever was the flavor of the century at the time. These types of amorphous teachings are really great tools for bending people’s thinking towards the teachers’ interpretation of God and spirituality.
(Talker) Here again is where this forum assists us. As I read the various posts, I see the many questions, that I had experienced as problems, and survived, with applied common-sense, contrary to my religious upbringing. Amorphous as the bible and perhaps other great books were/are, they served a purpose at the time. This forum has a segment addressing those issues, and are a great help in formulating ones thoughts.
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What was yesterday a fact is a fallacy today. It was a fact that carrots are good for the eyesight, and there were evidences for that. However recently it is discovered that carrot does not improve the eyesight. So what about the evidences and experiments that supported this fact. Could it be that they saw the issue from one angle, and not its whole picture?
(Talker) There will long be contoversy, in and on any subject. After the experts present and argue their viewpoints, pro and con, I review their presented facts for common-sense, looking for who has an axe to grind, who paid for the study, and seriously try to sort it all out, for the truth of it all. Am I an expert, no way, but I do have a modicum of common-sense, that has been a blessing for many decades.
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Both the Holy Bible and the Holy Qur’an are from God. But the problem is in the human beings. The Bible has been interpreted by humans and The Qur’an is not valued by people.
(Talker) Yes, very true about the Holy Bible as you say, though I, in good conscience, can no longer consider it Holy, I do highly value what it represents. As for the Qur'an, am not versed enough, to say any words on it. I do respect what others state in relation to it. I did have many issues with the bible, which at this time, are mostly resolved, not neccessarily true for any others, but enough to quell the serious original questions I had.
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That verse (not really a poem) from the Qur’an clearly means that the knowledge and wisdom of God never ends. I know it is difficult to understand what does the verses of the Bible exactly mean;
since it isn't one Bible we are talking about. And what is written in one Bible is denied by the other Bible.
And in the case of the Quran, some will see its image in black and white, others will see its image in a colored form, and some will just see nothing. It's all depending upon the person and his heart.
(Talker) You express what I see as words of truth, as regards both books.
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And why is that, can't these intelligent human beings (with great minds) use their minds just for a little to see whether these teachings are right or wrong. And why we are then granted the gift of the mind if we are going to blame others for our bended way of thinking.
(Talker) As I've mentioned, dogma of any religious upbringing, is a very difficult situation to alter. Fear, not love, I believe is the power factor holding one back, in even asking questions about their faith and beliefs. I do not present my words as being the true truth, only as being, what the truth of a matter represents to me. So right or wrong, is not the issue, and if no other is hurt in the process, that which I believe in, is my truth.
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Unfortunately, not a large proportion of people are independent thinkers. Yes, indeed, we have this great God given instrument – our minds, but we were never really taught how to use it properly in an independent way. Many people are quite gullible and accept whatever they are told by a religious authority.
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As for the carrots – I am not sure the latest study was not paid for by a pharmaceutical company. They pay for great majority of scientific studies, and the results of such studies are often biased. Obviously, the pharmaceutical companies want to sell drugs. They don’t want people to rely on natural nutrients to heal themselves.
(Talker) Facts and figures are subject to manipulation. Not many dare to state the truth of a matter, As with the FDA, the bulk of the FDA's budget is paid for by the pharmaceutical company's, and the FDA insanely, request more money from these drug makers, to speed up approvals of certain drugs!
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God is everything, therefore God would also have to be evil. But, if you look at it in terms of several hermetic teachings there would be no other way. Like cold and hot are actually the same thing...so are good and evil. There is only pure, intelligent, vibrating energy. Thats what the universe is, its a quantum FACT, so to speak. This energy is influenced by thought, we as humans have lots of that.
(Talker) Is this not the theme of this forum, beneficial use of ones thinking process.
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The greedy, egotistical corporations and big wigs sit in their offices and use every available means to brainwash us so that we think bad things, and that attracts more bad. So pretty much God gave us free will, and we as co-creators abused it to make evil, so its not really god but it is? Its the people that are not so far along in their evolution back towards the source that abused their rights as creators to make it? I DONT KNOW!!! Those are truly powerful words.
(Talker) The powerful LOA in full force.But not always for mankinds benefit. So yes, it mankind and not God, that we need to reawaken, to the harm being done.
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For me I'll speak my own truth of this situation. If this exists ( war) then it does so because we are all responsible for creating it in the first place. Going back to the start, hmm, 9/11 was a wakeup call. It was much more than that but lets start off by saying this, the consensus of those in charge is to control, that control is born out of fear. Fear being the real evil here, silly politicians. If we are truly free in this country (USA) then why do we need leaders in the first place? In reality we do not. If we are following that part of the bible that says to love thy neighbor as thyself, then there would be little if any point to having a lawmaker.
(Talker) Have covered my thoughts on this matter inmy posts:
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I also believe that 9/11 was an opportunity to forgive. Its obvious that the response was anything but forgiveness. Being that we have this thing called free will, then Mr Bush and all the rest of those who really believed this was the answer should be there actually experiencing a part of themselves called the shadow self.
I know from my own life experience just how difficult this can be, this thing called forgiveness. I was raised in an abusive home. I've learned many lessons from this situation, most important being that violence never solves anything. I believe that the duality exists as it does so we can choose for ourselves what our truth will be.
(Talker) My above comment applies here also. Ah though, true "forgiveness" can only come from unconditional love, and as mentioned elswhere, can prove to be a great stumbling block, in giving it.
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I noticed your point stating that if we were all following the love thy neighbor as thyself that we wouldn't need lawmakers. The truth of that matter is that while some(and I believe that to be an increasing number) people realize their path and are evolving past the "evil." There is still a vast number of people who are not quite as far on their evolutionary path back to the source, who find it necessary to impose their beliefs on other people, to control the masses by use of conditioning and mind control, and who commit crimes like rape, murder, and the like.
(Talker) I believe this is all due to lack of "unconditional love", and this is difficult to comprehend, from a human perspective. We are supposed to love one another. Can one actually learn or even desire to, love a Hitler, or mass murderer, to display "unconditional love"! Yet that appears to be, what mankind needs to learn. So the evolutionary path is toward perfection, as difficult as that may be, as a desired point.
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