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« Reply #45 on: March 06, 2009, 02:41:48 »

In Love walking through ~

Yes. I agree with Leila, Laura, and all who agree here ~ all genders and forms.



Dear Leila,

I absolutelly love your honest open sharing.

I would love to hear others... before I share mine.

Interesting remarks about Adrian (so I'm not alone in this saintly signature about "you shall not lust if you want to evolve"). Still I think we got the word wrong or something - there's something here ..a key that's missing.

love to you dearest

Laura

This definition of ideas or meanings is really taking off ~

Love to All ~

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« Reply #46 on: March 06, 2009, 03:21:07 »

Dear Adrian, Julia, Talker and others,


Joking aside... what is 'lust' ?   huh


I would really appreciate everyone's answer in your true expression.

Not what you read, or heard - but the truth of what you know inside.





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Beloved Laura,

Great question. Lust for me is the disconnection from the idea of Lustre. Sheen, shine, glow.

I call it the Pearl of Great Price. Why? Because the only way in this experience to gain a pearl is by first being introduced to an irritation.

One can choose to make it a Lustrous Pearl. Just my true heart sharing. The all of it makes a pearl and the Universe asks;

'Is that ALL you wanted!?!?'  wink

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« Reply #47 on: March 06, 2009, 03:51:14 »

Dear Laura,

Thank you for your nice words!

I know we two share same vision and feelings about love and passion, and my post, while an afirmation of freedom, wants to support the sincere expression of everyone, and say that love is beautiful in its human experience.
Unconditional Love for All, in no case excludes passionate love, desire, lovemaking – and these are certainly not to prevent our spiritual evolution, on contrary. Being happy, we are able to share more of our happiness and love.

Laura, last days I came over one of your sharings about passion, and was deeply touched. Realizing even deeper the importance of such feelings in our lives, my appreciation and gratitude for them increased thousand times. Here it is what impressed me to tears:

"As about romance... hmmm it is the elixir of life. Without we wither. I am happily forever romancing everything life has to offer, that spark will never fade from my twinkling eyes.... The 'Prince' in shining armour is a girl dream, which I never had. Perhaps is time I start believing in Fairy Tales. Perhaps this Christmas... if not for myself perhaps for my girls sake (however that armour ...I don't know about, I mean can you imagine how difficult it must be, to take it off? ...you have any tips for me Julia LOL...)

True I am looking for the 'One', same as you are my beloved sister, and we both know that him, if still being in physical it will have to be God as nothing less will do and ... so far I have been fortunate enough to have seen him in the eyes I looked into... every now and then...

Oh!! Julia tell me please the path of unconditional love between a man and a woman does it have to be passionless? Because if that's the case I shall reserve myself for Angelic love then ...lol...”


I understand very well that there might be a level of evolution where ‘lust’ disappears completely, but I don’t 'envy' and desire such state at all, from the ignorance of my actual level.

I am sorry that I referred to Adrian in my post, and it might have seemed that I make any connection between the topic and him.
The referrence was caused by some of his recent affirmations, like:

Also I am acutely aware of the fact that the word "love" is often used in such a hollow and meaningless context - like any other words. It is also most often confused with "lust".

You see "sacrifice" relates to the "things" people believe they must "do without" in the physical world. There is nothing in the physical world I could not "do without" which is why I have everything.

I, for one, know nothing about Adrian’s personal life, so have no right whatsoever to make remarks about it.
It might be true that the impression of the forum’s ladies, is that he is a (too) solitary man, who dedicates all his time to service to humanity. But this is a private issue, and our impression can well be wrong.

Adrian, please forgive me if my remark in previous post felt in any way inappropriate for you. It was not meant like that.
We would like to see you affording time for yourself too, and for ‘earthly love’.
My Love for you falls in the ‘Unconditional” category, and all my Blessings are sent upon the Love expressed here.

Yours sincere and loving,

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« Reply #48 on: March 06, 2009, 11:43:28 »

Hello Leila and Everyone,

In regards to the statement you quote from Laura's response to me in the celebrating Christ thread, I genuinely am not saying we are not to experience this deeply felt passion. How can we not?

When it is rising from Spirit (in~ spirit) the passion is intensified to a level beyond mere words to express IT sometimes.

Our bodies are communication 'devices' to share this Love with others. Spirit in us experiencing as us. The body would be useless without the Spirit to animate it.

Lust can be defined in purity or impurity, just depends on what one has experienced and how one's mind processes their view by the acceptance or rejection of these experiences.

So, I'll say it, sex does a body good when the intention is for good and only each one can define what this means to them (sex or sexing that is wink) Sex is one of the most or most intimate acts we can experience here. And it is not defined only as copulating.  cool

Love you All,

Julia cool

In IChing fashion ~ 'You receive what you give out in equal portions' or in slang ~ ya get what ya give ~ like begets like ~ seeing the same experience from all the different eyes ( Is) watching.

A Universal Principle ~



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« Reply #49 on: March 07, 2009, 01:31:45 »

Dear Leila, Julia and all,


Smiley Is late here and although after a long evening of technical troubleshooting and "The wedding singer" movie night with my girls Smiley (it was a good movie cheesy but cute ..lol...) - the subject of 'love', 'lust', 'passion', 'desire' and related are still in my mind. I just feel that there's an element here that we don't get. At least I know I am not.

I suppose only when experience come to a full circle.

Anyway here are 2 very good songs in contrast.

Queen:

One Year Of Love : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBcOeKTGkD8


Bohemian Rhapsodyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irp8CNj9qBI


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« Reply #50 on: March 07, 2009, 09:14:41 »

Posted in a topic, (about lust) and realized it was not in the original series of posts that i thought it was.  We have two same subjects going in two topics, really a hot word.

(What I posted in 'Who is Adrian Cooper?')
Wow, very good conversation going on here with a very difficult word, being defined, in these posts, now I need to go back to reread and decipher it all. For a moment I had ancient memories popping in and out of my early years in catechism classes. Could again, actually, hear the priests and nuns with their stern faces reciting many of the words used to describe lust as in these posts. Do believe that salient points, as yet, have not surfaced. Going to wait it out, and see if it happens.
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« Reply #51 on: March 07, 2009, 14:04:25 »

Dear Talker,


Good day to you and thank you for participating in this. You are a fabulous person! Smiley And I am sure we all have plenty to learn from your life experience about, love, lust. passion, desire, and related. So, I would encourage you to express that which you think us the younger ones think astray.

I personally believe that heaven on earth includes healing the above subjects - out of ignorance and improper education since young years people go on until late mid lives without having any idea what this all lovey dovey thing is supposed to be about. How many have grown up children even and yet they never knew moments of bliss in the arms of loved ones - and not knowing this how on earth are they supposed to know and give that back to all around, including educating their children in the right way.

Anyway - these are topics that could easily make an entire book and even more. Proper sexual education, acknowledging human physiology and taking in account our higher dimension of what we are would lead to a healthy new generation where humans know who they are, what they are, what their real needs are and thus go find their mates accordingly and hopefully for the life duration; as doves do for example. They find their mate and lust for it the entire life they do not go lusting after another or many others. And there are other many examples. 

Like Louis here (in the other thread actually) a certain element of 'lust' is imperative in a healthy relation. I am not sure of the words desire, passion, or any other would describe better the mates 'turning on' factor. I don't know. But I know for sure if I am in a relationship and that man doesn't have the desire for me - that is a dead relationship. If I don't have the power to excite him as much as other things than what's the point? If i don't see that glow in him when looking at me as in 'you are the light of my life right now in this very moment and there's nothing above that' ... kind of thing.. I would naturally feel less than what I am. Now if that spark turns into sexual consummation or just simply being there in that moment is another matter and that is again a factor of 'being present' in that relationship in observing the needs of another in being able to somehow mentally enter the body of another and offer at that moment exactly what is right.

If not for this 'spark' relationships are doomed from start. If is only the spark and nothing else they are doomed anyway. And if the 'spark' is gone... in time the passion dies.

In the end there's no definite conclusion because is all part of our growing. Lust, love. sexuality, passion, desire etc... all these forms of expressing to another that which cannot be done in words, and is better just experienced.

One truth remains: to the base everything is base, to the pure everything is pure.


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« Reply #52 on: March 07, 2009, 19:13:35 »

I wrote my thaughts about ‘desire’ in the thread of ‘lust’ only for fun. Because the topic gave me the occasion to do it. I have never felt ‘lust’, but desire coming from spirit, always accompany (my) love. That was my point.
And everybody here has same opinion, except for Adrian.

Reading Adrian’s afirmations about ‘lust’ and ‘inferior’ love of yesterday, almost led me to depression. We should believe that true and long lasting love and desire between a man and a woman does not exist, is not important, is not the scope of our lives, and prevent our spiritual evolution?

I recovered my senses reading Julia’s beautiful praise of true love. A wonderful love poem, a song of love.

For some reason, I don’t like at all the question on which Adrian insists so much: would we give our life for others to see more Light?
Many people are so sick and tired of this life, that would give it even for nothing, would be glad to get rid of it and return to peace. Some commit suicides these crazy days, some kill their entire families, out of ‘care’. Life is given to be lived, as hard as it is for most.

We are still so far from God, or our own Self, because we put all the time others before our person, our needs and desires, we sacrifice our happiness for others. Which of course is not happiness for anybody.
I have read in this forum and maybe also in private messages, statements that people finally realized that it is them for whom they must first care, not the others.
Until we don’t attain that God awareness and realization, there is little to share with all.

I can fully notice it on myself. I live times of deep happiness and Unconditional Love, which burn to overflow upon the world, and then encounter again doubts, sadness, solitude, silence – when don’t recognize in myself the God who is almighty, and knows how the Universe work. Or, actually, I always know how the Universe works, but sometimes am just not able to act in accordance. 

Sadly but true, I’m not yet enough God realized to be happy all the time, and have within that infinite Love which reflects in my environment. (I was to say “in everybody loving me”, but realized that neither Adrian experiences that, for there are enough people against him. So that is not the ‘goal’, it can’t be attained.)
Or perhaps it just happened lately, that true Love, as an accurate reflection of my consciousness occurred or materialized in my life.
What Adrian describes beautifully:
“Ultimately we should never lust. Ideal partners are attracted through Vibration on the Mental Plane and other resonance.  These are the Perfect "partnerships" at every level, and are Divine in nature.”

I should be enthusiastic for feeling what Julia describes so graciously and magnificently in her post.
Julia, reading your post was like reading my own thaughts and beliefs. Another confirmation that we are twin souls. I love you!

You re-gave me hope and trust and faith that love in human form exists at highest level of depth, intensity and purity, and it can be long lasting, for some humans experience it.
Only want to give a short and relevant excerpt: “To find that someone whom you can feel totally comfortable with”

I find of great wisdom and depth Louis’ view point on ‘attraction’. Completely agree with everything  shared: “If you have love for everyone you can't just pick someone randomly to spend the rest of your life with. For those who have not decided on a life of abstinence or celibacy of the monks, lust is required.”

Also, Jasmeen made a wonderful point which touched my heart: “People go out with others even if they don't look so good. So, there is definitely more to Loving the opposite gender, or being attracted to someone, than just looks.”
People are their spirit, and not their outer shell. Body is fully part of the whole, but not the predominant and essential part.

My view is that we are not all here already ‘saints’, born for service to others. Each of us has his own long way to Self discovery and perfection. Own lessons to learn and experience to gain, through events of all kind.
We are not ‘inferior’ or incapable of transcending human condition if we love and desire a man or a woman, besides loving others unconditionally. This is our God-being choice for now.
We are all unique in our form. Nobody else knows how it feels to be Leila, or Louis, or Larry, or anybody else.
I’d like to see who does better in other’s ‘shoes’.

Much Love for All,

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« Reply #53 on: March 07, 2009, 20:10:19 »

Dear Leila,

Your post is heart wrenching.

I shall tell you that I used to be a martyr. Then I chose a very different path...and eventually I discovered that ego has many faces - one of them is that of a martyr. And truth is this is one of the trickiest one to deal with and overcome. Guilt is one principle that keeps us far from light, yet right behind the Light hides. You have to go right through it (guilt, martyrdom...).

The Course in Miracles helped me big time in this direction. Here is a fragment that opened my eyes - perhaps it speaks to you?


Criteria by which to test all things you think you want.

Law:       
- There are but 2 choices
- There is no compromise in what your choice must bring; Each choice you make brings everything to you or nothing.


What alternatives you choose between: there are but two and there is no compromise in what your choice must bring.

Each choice you make brings everything to you or nothing.

What alternatives you choose between - the tests by which you can distinguish everything from nothing:

-   if you choose a thing that will not last forever, what you chose is valueless. A temporary value is without all value. Time can never take away a value that is real. What fades and dies was never there, and makes no offering to him who chooses it. He is deceived by nothing in a form he thinks he likes.

-   if you choose to take a thing away from someone else, you will have nothing left. This is because, when you deny his right to everything, you have denied your own. You therefore will not recognize the things you really have, denying they are there. Who seeks to take away has been deceived by the illusion loss can offer gain. Yet loss must offer loss, and nothing more.

Next consideration: is the one on which the others rest.
- Why is the choice you make of value to you?
- What attracts your mind to it?
- What purpose does it serve?

Here it is easiest of all to be deceived.
For what the ego wants it fails to recognize.
It does not even tell the truth as it perceives it, for it needs to keep the halo which it uses to protect its goals from tarnish and from rust, that you may see how "innocent" it is.

The criterion for choice that is the hardest to believe:
If you feel any guilt about your choice, you have allowed the ego's goals to come between the real alternatives.


Yet is its camouflage a thin veneer, which could deceive but those who are content to be deceived. Its goals are obvious to anyone who cares to look for them. Here is deception doubled, for the one who is deceived will not perceive that he has merely failed to gain. He will believe that he has served the ego's hidden goals.




Here is today's lesson: http://www.acourseinmiracles.ws/lesson66

You are right, nobody knows how it feels to be us. For some reason Romanian women take this sacrifice and martyrdom to such extreme that is hard for others to even imagine.

At the same time is out duty to escape that illusion.


Smiley

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« Reply #54 on: March 07, 2009, 22:47:08 »

Another WOW!!

Great thread going on here Laura and Leila. Namaste my sisters. (it's their turn) wink



One truth remains: to the base everything is base, to the pure everything is pure.



Very nicely summated Laura.


Seeing with the Loving eyes of appreciation,

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« Reply #55 on: March 07, 2009, 23:07:18 »

Hello Beloved Leila,

I see you. You are a very deep and passionate Spirit and express your Soul openly. Share on my sister. Keep on Expressing.


For some reason, I don’t like at all the question on which Adrian insists so much: would we give our life for others to see more Light?


Leila, Julia speaks backwards. Truly. For me give is equal in defintion to receive or accept. So I would look at this statement in my own way of 'seeing' IT as, 'would I accept my life so others could lighten up and accept theirs?"

This is what this means to me, Self Service. cool

We like doing for ourself, it is just expressed in so many ways.

As to ones commiting suicide due to depression and not liking their life very much now. I tried that as a teenager. Truth. And my mother said to me after in quiet voice, "If you have the courage and power to stop your life, why not be that strong start living it?

I carried this inside me up to now and you know, it really makes sense to me somehow.

When we give ourselves permission to be free of all illusions or images of the one doing the coloring of the picture, we realize that we are the only one drawing the picture in this illusion.

Illusion for me means ~ Make Believe. We are living in the land of make believe. Imagination. Who's doing the imagining? Do you feel this?

You are the image maker and we forget this sometimes. We can change our world within Our Self.

Yes, it's a walk a mile in my shoes kind of thing, and then realizing it all comes down to accepting ourself the way we are, the whole kit and kaboodlie.

Self Love is Evident,

I love you Leila truly,

Julia



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« Reply #56 on: March 07, 2009, 23:40:59 »

Had to come back because I see Laura, smiley

I am adding to this picture of today's lesson and your entire post was deeply understood.  I highly recommend the Course for anyone really.

Thank you for the link to today's Student Workbook. The Text is wonderful for today as well.

I am along side sharing from the teacher's manual, the 'what showed up'.


10. Open-Mindedness

The centrality of open-mindedness perhaps the last of the attributes the teacher of God acquires, is easily understood when its relation to forgiveness is recognized.

Open-mindedness comes with lack of judgment. As judgement shuts the mind against God's Teacher, so open-mindedness invites Him to come in.

As condemnation judges the Son of God as evil, so open-mindedness permits him to be judged by the Voice of God on His behalf. And the projection of guilt upon him would send him to hell, so open-mindedness lets Christ's image be extended to him. Only the open-minded can  be at peace, for they alone see reason for it.

How do the open-minded forgive? They have let go all things that would pre-vent forgiveness. (Removing the blocks before hand by deciding to have only green lights. smiley )

They have in truth abandoned the world, and let it be restored to them in newness and in joy so glorious they could never have conceived of such a change.

Nothing is now as it was formerly. Nothing but sparkles now which seemed so dull and lifeless before. And above all are all things welcoming, for threat is gone. (No competition cool )

No clouds remain to hide the face of Christ. Now is the goal achieved.

Forgiveness is the final goal of the curriculum. It paves the way for what goes far beyond any learning. The curriculum makes no effort to exceed its legitimate goal.

Forgiveness is its single aim, at which all learning ultimately converges. It indeed enough.

You may have noticed that the list of attributes of God's Teachers does not include things that are the Son of God's inheritance.

Terms like love, sinlessness, perfection, knowledge and eternal truth do not appear in this context.

They would be most inappropriate here.

What God has given is so far beyond our curriuculum that learning but disappears in its presence. Yet while its presence is obscured, the focus properly belongs on the curriculum.

It is the function of God's teachers to bring true learning to the world.

Properly speaking it is the unlearning that they bring, for that is "true learning" in the world. It is given to the teachers of God to bring the glad tidings of complete forgiveness to the world.

Blessed indeed are they, for they are the bringer of salvation. Not by sacrifice. But by freedom ...letting go )


Namaste my fellow sister in the Course, smiley

InJoy, Love from 'someone' in your corner,

Julia

All thoughts in pararethese are my thoughts expressing what I am receiving in summation ...


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« Reply #57 on: March 08, 2009, 13:36:28 »

Dear Julia,


I will be honest with you - I haven't done the course as a 'whole'. At times is part of my 'morning coffee' along with Tarot, I-ching and the bulk of emails and tasks. And some times I save things that are remarkable for me - or things that gives me insights that feel like a real propulsion in growth/evolution.

I have recently discovered that iGoogle has a lot of gadgets that you can load on page...so I played with lots at first Smiley however when it took ages for the page to load I had to censor the number. So I only have 4 and one of them is "A course in Miracles - Today's lesson" - I am not sure if you can see this but here is the link customised for me: http://www.google.ca/ig?hl=en&source=iglk

I was happy to discover this gadget as it comes really handy - now I don't have to make time or remember to go to today's lesson - and besides I always used to loose track.   rolleyes


Now back to the topic of this thread: lust.   


Quote from: Leila

Well, in my view, this urge, or feeling or emotion, is the strong, deep, burning desire I feel for the man I love. It comes from the spirit, not from the flesh. Without spiritual love, don’t feel ‘lust’ either.

The love without desire for lovemaking is not love of this earth. We are here Body, Mind and Soul, and it’s perfectly naturally to honour all needs and desires of these parts of the whole.

Life without passion is empty and boring (for me). Desire is a wonderful part of spiritual love, it completes it beautifully. “Lust” is the yearning to become one with the beloved. It’s not at all a ‘second hand’ emotion, but uplifting to heavens. Don’t think that it is an obstacle to spiritual ascension.

We live on earth now, in flesh. Afterlife we shall live in spiritual planes, and have the eternity to love spiritually.



Quote from: Julia

Lust for me is something like a firecracker experience. It's got fire and boom but dissipates quickly and is gone as soon as the smoke clears. It can keep you searching for a bigger and better firecracker display.

I 'heard' lust is another idea of lack and so must over compensate in the idea based on fear of there not being enough.


Quote from: Baki Hanma


In any case, to me lust is more of a negative aspect of love, if it can even be considered that. More or less a strong urge to have sex with someone for no other reason then the sex itself. Lust is one of the leading drives for rapists but as I said earlier that is just my point of view. Actual love is not lust.

A sensitive enough women can easily tell just by looking deep within the males eye whther or not his "come on" or "pick up line" is for the sake of being with her or just wanting to "hit that" for that night  .



Quote from: Adrian

a person is driven purely by primal sexual desire for another person

I feel sure that "lust" is a primal reproductive animal instinct driven by hormones and the Ego, and not filtered through consciousness to any further extent than "fancying someone".

"Lust" is not attraction between two people even though it may bring two people together in order to satisfy their respective lust.

There is nothing intrinsically "wrong" with "lust" - it is a completely natural aspect of human nature.

but before a human can progress Spiritually they must overcome it. 



And this is from the Dictionary.com

Quote from: Dictionary, Thesaurus

Lust:
–noun

1. intense sexual desire or appetite.
2. uncontrolled or illicit sexual desire or appetite; lecherousness.
3. a passionate or overmastering desire or craving (usually fol. by for): a lust for power. 
4. ardent enthusiasm; zest; relish: an enviable lust for life. 
5. Obsolete. a. pleasure or delight. b. desire; inclination; wish.
 
–verb (used without object)
6. to have intense sexual desire.
7. to have a yearning or desire; have a strong or excessive craving (often fol. by for or after).

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lust?qsrc=2888

Thesaurus:


Main Entry: lust
Part of Speech: noun

Definition: appetite, passion

Synonyms: animalism, aphrodisia, appetence, appetition, avidity, carnality, concupiscence, covetousness, craving, cupidity, desire, eroticism, excitement, fervor, greed, hunger, itch, lasciviousness, lechery, lewdness, libido, licentiousness, longing, prurience, pruriency, salaciousness, salacity, sensualism, sensuality, thirst, urge, wantonness, weakness, yen 
Antonyms: chastity, disenchantment, disgust 



And going back to eternal questioning I wonder ...have we really answered?!?



How do you people see these matters?
You think it's true that in this lifetime the trick is to keep the soul as unpolluted as possible?
Do you find this harder then normal when you're dealing with sexual feelings and lust?
Do you separate love and lustful sex or is your sex always without exception related to love, even in fantasies?
I assume all this has consequences for the soul as well?

I admit to have lustful thoughts myself even though certain thoughts are unethical. I sometimes wonder why people get turned on by these thoughts.... is it a lack of love in their lives or doesn't that have anything to do with it? Perhaps love and lust should be in balance but is out of balance in lot's of people's minds?

In my opinion, the 'sex' subject is one of the most complex weird things that can seriously screw with my mind. What is unethical .... where do you draw the line...etc.






Dear Awakened Soul


From what you are telling us it seems that you are aware that you have sexual desires which translate in lustful dreams, and you are worried on how will that affect your life as a whole.

First please allow me to say (I am not sure how old you are but) is pretty remarkable that you are giving this matter such careful consideration. Hats off.

We have to have one fact clear from the start though.

1. Time comes when we have to take full responsibility of everything that happens or have in our lives, so what I am about to say is filtered through that. Sooner or later the responsible ones will fully accept everything they create.

2. Basically I suppose the idea is "what is the best dream to dream" when it comes to lust - which is your natural body impulse/nature - taking in account that there are others and they have their own dreams about how it should be.
As we remember that we are One - we have to keep in mind we are not alone.

You have a 'sexual desire' the Mind will start 'playing a movie' on how it should be, then you get carried on and build upon that.
Depending on how much emotional energy you put in it - I can assure you sooner or later it will come in your life. It won't happen overnight it may take a year or more… but eventually it will.

There is a big warning sign here though!!!! Your 'subconscious' picture or mental idea in its totality will come to be. Whatever you hold in there in its totality.

The irony of the thing goes along with "be careful with what you wish for" as when you dream your sexual dream you are not aware that you are totally overlooking other aspects of your ideal movie/story etc.. you think is assumed .. you think everything is in place and only you need to satisfy your 'at hand' urge which is your lustful thought at that moment.

The warning here is that the person that comes into your life will be a person with ‘other’ personality, trait aspects of her/his own – however !! it will fit perfectly your primarily ‘lustful desire’ that you put out in the Universe.

Or like Adrian hints – that person will match your vibration (again please keep in mind that your lustful fantasy, dream imagining etc.. is a very powerful vibration)
Because the original ‘lust, desire, passionate fantasy’ that little movie that you play where no-one can see Wink  is a blueprint.

Due to inexperience/ignorance etc. unfortunately the 'ideal picture' of how that person should be ‘as a whole’ to match your needs or ‘other vibrations’ is not formed yet.

Is like you don’t even know what you need because is like a constant feed-back : “I think I know what I need  but I will know for sure what I need when I have it and I see that IS what I need or is what I don’t “  kind of thing… and in the end is more like you know more what you don’t need rather than what really makes you blissfully happy.

That person however will show up – the one matching perfectly the primary vibration you cast in your energetic blueprint -  and you will have your blissful moments, perhaps make house if you are like the most people (we are not talking here extremes lecherous thoughts) - so if you are a decent person you will marry or have a longer relationship with that person, then in time you will see on how time comes when you will feel as you are 'more trying to make it work' rather than having it ALL. 

Smiley In other words as we grow older we become wiser and we start to see that there’s more to what makes an ideal relationship – a perfect medium to bring life and raise that life, a perfect life companion  – etc.


I don’t believe there’s an ideal answer as in ‘do this’, ‘don’t do that’ etc. And if you look to guide yourself according solely to the morals that you hear and learn you will loose as nothing that comes from outside will make a whole life for yourself.

You are the only one that know what you need what makes you happy. Or, what your real needs are.

No matter what people say the vast majority they DO want to be with their ideal life partner. Someone who can match everything that you are: your sexual needs – in their totality because if you are a normal person you will want beauty to be part of that, your pace of growth – you want someone who has the same idea about personal growths and direction, your need for novelty and surprise, your need for being – as in genuinely feeling good with that person at any time, your need for being sensed – as in that person instinctively knowing what moves you or when you need your time outs and so on.

Next time when you are by yourself and the lust energy engulfs you Smiley try to picture more details because you are creating a person, a mate eventually – you get it??

And that mate will come when you are ready and when she/he is ready (as in formed according to the both of you dreams).

Is not only that you have a lustful dream with some unidentified object of sexual desire. That person really exists out there – make no mistake it is, and will show up in your life!! In a month, a year or perhaps 10… nobody can tell how long it will take for the gestation period.

Now, what else you want how else you want that person to be?!?: i.e. you want children she needs to be a good mother …feel that!! Recall good images/feelings related to that..
You want someone to listen to you with compassion?!? Feel that with same intensity as your lustful desire;
You want someone that is good looking and smart and you are proud to have someone like that along your side?!? Feel that !!  guide your feelings to be as intense as your lust at that moment
You want someone that can hold you when in need that is for you and with you no matter the life circumstances and the ‘hot’ studs parading in front of her she will still have the ‘hots’ for you and only for you – coz imagine all possibilities have an equal chance- well feel that make it part of your lustful dream.
And so on and son on …

I suppose this is called ‘responsible creation’.  After all you do not exist only to satisfy your sexual needs – you have others, and as I said depending on how young you are you don’t even know what your needs are yet until you meet with what you don’t need or are smart enough to observe in others that which you don’t need for yourself.

In the end we come full circle to bible words: “Don’t do onto another that which you don’t want to be done onto yourself”    or   “Do onto another that which you want to be done to yourself”

When you think about it .. “lust” is what % of that which you want it done to yourself??   What 'else' you want it done to yourself??  (By that person you will satisfy your lust with ?!?)

Be the true image of your imagined lover.

In the end is all experience.  We live… we learn.   Smiley 




Personally I can tell you that I dreamed a big faulty dream when it comes to total fulfilment as in 'happily ever after' kind of thing - just between the 2 of us the lust and desire eclipsed other essentials needed by myself as a whole being. (well  dreamed...so far Smiley ...)  Am I sorry for anything ?? NO!!  It was exactly what I needed at that time and in retrospect I can see how it was all necessary for my evolution.
Now that I know I can dream a better dream. Smiley  And... I can tell you I am taking my sweet time with it.



Dear AS there more, so much more on this topic however this is all I have time for now. I hope any of it makes sense.






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The "lust" and "love/Love" I refer to are from a perspective that takes full account of every human being as the Spiritual I.,

There is nothing intrinsically "wrong" with "lust" - it is a completely natural aspect of human nature. Of course this has been greatly exacerbated by society placing demands on people relative to their peers etc.

Lust, like greed, selfishness and literally thousands of other human characteristics exit for one fundamental reason - Experience and Recognition - thereby bringing the opportunity to transcend them.

There is therefore nothing "wrong" with "lust", but before a human can progress Spiritually they must overcome it. 

This is not some ideology. Lust, like greed and selfishness are very low vibration characteristics because they are firmly rooted at the base primal human condition.

Being aware of these however affords the opportunity to overcome them, raise Vibration, and thereby Evolve.
Dear Sharing Souls,
Ah, all the expressions as feelings here, indicates that a salient point is still lacking. Will endeavor in my clumsy way to express a difficult subject, in how it may actually be.
May hit, come close or goodness, even miss that salient point.
Sex is a perfectly natural expression as anything in nature could be.
There will generally be someone trying to make you feel guilty about it.
As bad a rap as sexual activity gets gets, people will continue to express and use it.
The bad sexual activity rap, started way back in time, when spirits decided to incarnate.
Sexual activity is only a reminder of what real and true bliss actually is.
All experiences are mental states, including sex.
As with all experiences, it's not natural to give up certain kinds of behavior, until you are completely ready to do so. Part and parcel of freewill choices.
You are not being asked to give up anything, only to  "Experience and Recognize", what is taking place in your experiences.
You want to experience lust, go for it. Don't feel guilty doing so. Experience it fully. But be doing it by choice. As generally applied, 'lust' energy, is the controlling factor, applied by the untrained 'ego'. Ones trained 'ego' will say, 'OK, you want to bang away at anything that moves, do it, but keep it in your 'awareness' that it's the 'experience' your after, and then, let it go'.
( My view of 'ego' is not the generally acceptable point of view)
As I see it, love, unconditional love, lustful thoughts, sex activity, and spiritual thinking, all get lumped together, into a mass of conflicting 'ego/spiritual' thoughts. While in the 'untrained ego, flesh', anything goes, and generally does show up, in a myriad of actions, creating unwanted problems to be 'experienced'.

Corrective action, is a multistage process. For some, the 'untrained ego, flesh' experiences, become a permanent life status per se. Ones 'trained ego, flesh', recognizes what is happening, and up comes the sorting and winnowing of the prior conflicts and confusion. In comes new thoughts, now, of 'lustfulness' with a partner, that may lead to a stable, or even a long time relationship. So a companion arrives into your circle of awareness. Hmmn. Lets talk. Lets talk more intimately. Lets hook up for friendship, which leads to companionship. Lets look toward a more durable relationship. Likes and dislikes are openly spoken. Many experiments take place. Life goes on. In and during this 'close' relationship, anything goes, between the two, but now, by active choice. Kept in mind, is the realization, they are only 'sampling' that which awaits them at a 'higher plane' of existence. Over time, they realize a 'certain and special' awareness' during intimate union, like never before experienced. Noticed by the two, is the complete absence of 'urges and thoughts'. Felt by the two is a 'brilliance and awareness'  that they are as 'One' being, beyond words to describe.

OK, here I see that 'lustfulness' as known while in the physical body, has moved into a pure Spiritual Dimension. Egos' willing participation 'by choice', has now transformed and evolved into 'Spirit' awareness again, while still in the physical dimension, that 'Source'  is' our natural home. Maybe I've stepped out of my 'normal insanity' range.
What are your thoughts here!
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Beloved Talker,


What can I say?!?  "This man knows how to love!" Smiley

Everything that you said here resonates truth - however this is what I was waiting for - this is just beautiful and perfect:


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Many experiments take place. Life goes on. In and during this 'close' relationship, anything goes, between the two, but now, by active choice. Kept in mind, is the realization, they are only 'sampling' that which awaits them at a 'higher plane' of existence.

Over time, they realize a 'certain and special' awareness' during intimate union, like never before experienced.

Noticed by the two, is the complete absence of 'urges and thoughts'. Felt by the two is a 'brilliance and awareness'  that they are as 'One' being, beyond words to describe
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Thank you Dean.  As they say "it takes two to tango".


Still the question remains... what is the 'spark' between these two beings that causes them to do the 'intimate union'.

Now that these beings have transcended their sexual desire, therefore no longer lusting...



Namaste



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