Expressing God

[melody]

I found the last Adrian’s newsletter very interesting and even fascinating, yet I saw some of it differently.

Quote from Adrian: ‘instead of "attracting"
something that somehow exists outside of us, we are rather
Expressing our wishes, needs and desires from something that is
already a part of, and within our current level of Conscious
awareness.’

Whatever is a part of our current Conscious awareness is most likely not God vibrations but is tied to our Ego, and by expressing that we would end expressing from an either hidden or avert Ego state which really has nothing to do with expressing God. Is God Ego? Actually, we cannot become one with God until we completely eliminate Ego. So expressing our Ego would not be really expressing God.

Jesus was expressing God and had to die. Is this a Principle of Expression? Yes, definitely so. Is it the principle of Attraction? No, not at all. This is why I find it really amusing when people choose to prove LOA with Jesus.

Jesus was totally vibrating with God’s frequencies, and this is why he was able to express them and do what he did.

Adrian: ‘We are part of God, therefore like God we are Whole.”

In my opinion we are not really whole yet. If we were, we would not be on this physical plane. We get to be truly whole once we find our way back to God and not until then. Each one of us has to do a lot of work to become whole and thus to be able to express God.

"And Jesus said unto him, Go thy way; thy faith hath made thee
whole". Matthew 10:52

The faith in the power that Jesus represented, which is that of God, is the ingredient that can make one whole.

Adrian: 'that anything and everything we could possibly imagine is already part of our Wholeness.'

In my opinion this conclusion does not follow from the above Matthew’s Biblical quotation. What the person in that quotation was imagining and believing in was the power of God expressed through Jesus, and this is not a part of ‘anything and everything we could possibly’ imagine.

Adrian: ‘all we ever need to is to Express any desire, that is
already part of us, in to the vibration of our current Experiential
Reality in accordance with the Principle of Expression

In other words we simply become Aware of, and thereby Experience,
an aspect of our Divine Wholeness.’

Can we really experience the aspect of our Devine Wholeness when vibrating with all the petty desires we have? Those desires coming largely from an Ego state with no connection to or vibrations of God? Is any Desire we have an expression of “our Devine Wholeness”? I tend to believe that it is mostly an expression of Ego and has absolutely nothing to do with our possible Devine Wholeness.

Adrian: Jesus is saying that he, and therefore we can do nothing in and of
ourselves, it is rather the "Father", in otherwords Source Energy,
God Who expresses through us that does the "Works".

Does the Source express our Ego? I doubt it. It is us who express our Ego, not God. Can we draw God’s energy to help us express our Ego desires? I also doubt it. Most likely there is a source in the universe from which one can draw energy to express the Ego desires (Lucifer sphere of influence?), but it would not be that of God himself.  He is pretty impartial to the conundrum many get themselves in this physical plane and hands-off about it. I doubt he would engage himself in helping us here to express our many desires of physical nature many of them quite petty

Adrian: ‘He also reveals the great Truth that as we evolve we will not only
do the "miracles" that are attributed to Jesus, we will go on to
express even greater things - beyond the comprehension of most
humans at this stage of evolution’.

Were the miracles Jesus performed of physical nature? Not at all. He healed people’s body and soul through peoples’ total believe in his connection to God.

It is my strong believe that we can only start expressing God- Devine Source when we have the strong connection to God as Jesus had, which actually led him to die physically at the age of 33. How many of us would be ready to express God and Devine in him/her to the extend Jesus did? If we are not, then we are still in an Ego state, and would not (in my humble opinion) be expressing God.

So the main question is, how to attune ourselves to the vibrations of God so we can truly start expressing not our Egos but God - the Divinity of the Source, for which we have a great potential but no means of how-to yet.

[Talker]

Welcome back Melody, and that you are well.

[juliainkc]

Hello Melody,

Welcome back. This is as always an interesting discussion. Ego and Spirit.

Posted by: melody Today at 14:37:28

In my opinion we are not really whole yet. If we were, we would not be on this physical plane. We get to be truly whole once we find our way back to God and not until then. Each one of us has to do a lot of work to become whole and thus to be able to express God.


"And Jesus said unto him, Go thy way; thy faith hath made thee
whole". Matthew 10:52

It looks like you are answering your own statement here by quoting what Jesus said. Your faith has made you whole. Now in this moment. Not in another 'time' as later on somewhere.

Why wouldn't we be on this physical plane? I see IT as we are and are experiencing our God Presence in human form. God is In everyone and everything and everywhere Present. Where would we leave God out? We can't. That's the joke really.

It isn't so much about eliminating ego, it's an alchemical process of turning ego energy back into God Energy. Transformation or Metamorphosis as the Bible states.

Like what happens to a caterpillar that metamorphasizes into a butterfly. All the same elements just transformed.

When do we get to get back to God? That is projecting into the future which does not exisit in Truth. Only Now exists.

This is what has kept this planet in bondage. Projecting into a future date and basing ones opinion on a past idea of what was mistranslated. This is how 'orthodox' religion keeps it power or sway over people. Fear. False -evidence-appearing-real. It's not real. It's an illusion. Dust. The Being within is Eternal, In Him were All things made and there is nothing made that was not made by God and that includes us.

God is a God of the Living and not the dead.

Jesus was expressing God and experienced this world's idea of what death was to the inhabitants of this planet. That is the oxymoron. Why? Because he came back.

He showed himself to others to show them that this was all an illusion and that is when these others understood and were willing to follow in the process because they had no fear of the idea of death as has been held over this illusion for so long.

Wholeness is Oneness. At-One-Ment. Becoming One with the One. And you can do this in this very moment. There is nothing stopping you but your own beliefs.

When you experience God Presence in you, ego falls away. There's no room for two Masters.

The veil is torn away. As was shared in the Bible. Jesus' letting go of what this world's idea of what life and death was, transformed the idea that we need teachers and priests to speak to God for us.

It is by Direct Communication. Our Rightful Inheritance and the beauty of this is that IT is where no moth or thieves can steal IT. Within. IT always goes with us. We were before ever being born here and Are Now and will Forever Be One with Our Eternal Source.

In God is no death at all.

I agree that the 'miracles' that Jesus perfomed were not physical. They were Spiritual. As we are. He did not heal anyone.

He opened their eyes to the realization of their True Nature and that is what healed these ones. Truth. We are made in the Image, True Likeness of our Source. Again, there is no illness or dis-ease or sickness in our Authentic Eternal Spirit Beings. Spirit does not die nor get sick.

To be in Harmony of GOD Presence is to agree with GOD and what GOD has said about you as the Child of the Father.

Namaste Melody,

Again, nice to see you are back. I for one look forward to your wonderful contributions to this forum.

In Unconditional Love,

Your sister in Divine Spirit,

Julia

[melody]

Hello Julia,

Thank you for commenting on my post.

I was expressing my opinions in my post rather than asking questions. Any question was purely rhetorical. But yes, there was one and only real question intended as to how to realize God within and how to not get caught in expressing Ego's desires and assuming they were expressing God...

Getting back to God or metamorphosing Ego energies to God energies - it does not matter how you call it, it is one the same thing. The queston still remains how to do it and how to metamorphose the Ego and don't get caught and enamoured in expressing Ego rather than God.

[juliainkc]

Hello Melody,

Hello Julia,

Thank you for commenting on my post.

I was expressing my opinions in my post rather than asking questions. Any question was purely rhetorical. But yes, there was one and only real question intended as to how to realize God within and how to not get caught in expressing Ego's desires and assuming they were expressing God...

Getting back to God or metamorphosing Ego energies to God energies - it does not matter how you call it, it is one the same thing. The queston still remains how to do it and how to metamorphose the Ego and don't get caught and enamoured in expressing Ego rather than God.

You are very welcome Melody, I would not ever ignore you. Truth.

I truly appreciate you expressing your opinions because they allow us to grow in our understanding of these things. We truly want to know. Seeking leads to our understanding. It's the process and we really want to skip parts sometimes. We've all tried the shortcuts and end up at a 'dead' end. It's just saying try another door.

I agree, it does not matter what we call it. Language actually can be a door or a barrier.

The how to is by building upon precepts. The Bible says, Precept upon Precept, Line upon Line.

I can only share with you from my own experience of the path as I cannot step into another's view of the how to's. Truth.

Spiritual Understanding is based on Open Mindedness. Open Mindedness cannot be attained without Trust.

The first Precept and Principle of experiencing this One on One Melody is by growing in the Trust of your Life Support System. Truth.

Trust is the very foundation that everything rests on. You and I are having a conversation here and I would not ever tell you what to do. I truly mean it when I say, 'Would you consider this?'

Trusting that by Asking for Divine Wisdom and Discernment, you've got it. IT's here. IT's believing in God before 'seeing' God.

The hardest thing for me was to Let go and Let God. I kept picking up the circumstance, person, place or thing up over and over again and saying "You are just not moving fast enough for me God." I'll take it from here. Honest.

Well, after many falls on my face, also known as eating dirt, Something began to sink into this hard headed woman.

I am as you are a very Smart woman, yes, I have chosen some things that would cause one to think otherwise but there you have it Melody, it was through these very experiences that led me to my Source.

I was removed many times from 'social and society's circles'. Julia was in 'time out'. Truth.

My humbling realization was that I could never outsmart or out give or out do my Supreme Source of Origin.

This is what Jesus meant when he said it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven.

Rich in wordly ways and ideas. I had to eat humble pie Melody.

So you see my Beloved Sister, I have never been your opposer, Truth. I am your biggest Cheerleader.

I love you Melody,

Just sharing salad and I am having a glass of wine, you can have what you like with our shared meal here together.

To our Eternal and Never Ending Story, Growth? Not an option. It's in the curriculum and that we cannot change.

I am off to assist my friend,

See you soon,

Love in Divine Spirit,

Your Sister in Unconditional Love,

Julia

P.S. Melody, actually, Bakichan and I just had a similar conversation in relation to this conversation. Here it is, just putting this on the table if you wish to take a look at it, it' here:

http://www.ourultimatereality.com/forums/realizing-and-expressing-god-source-t923.0.html

Yes! I am always late!! Kiss and hugs Melody, gotta run.............................

[wavepsychic]

HI Melody!

Adrian: We are part of God, therefore like God we are Whole.”

In my opinion we are not really whole yet. If we were, we would not be on this physical plane. We get to be truly whole once we find our way back to God and not until then. Each one of us has to do a lot of work to become whole and thus to be able to express God.

Basically Adrian is Pantheistic and Melody you are Panentheistic. The only difference is that the later believes that God in its perfect state is greater then the Universe instead of equal to. Its still a type of Pantheism and it doesn't mater what Adrian "teaches" because we are all our own teachers. Its honestly not an intellectual thing here. I believe that when I feel the Source within I am one with it.

In Buddhism the Ego is a level of Consciousness and God is Consciousness. The ego can't be killed or removed because no part of god can be subtracted from or killed.

It seems to me that you are against the idea of us using our god given powers to materialistic gain in this outer layer of the Oneness. If this is true then what is the point of being born? Is it Just so God can torcher us until we say, OK we were wrong to choose individuality!

So the main question is, how to attune ourselves to the vibrations of God so we can truly start expressing not our Egos but God - the Divinity of the Source, for which we have a great potential but no means of how-to yet.

That's easy. Detachment and self realization of the Source. Why the need for the Law of Attraction then? We truly are the children of the Universe. When you have a child do you lock him up in a room and refuse to give him any toys or anything to focus his mind upon to give him Joy or excitement? Adrian takes into consideration that the ego is the child's mind and we do have desires Melody. God from itself gives us our desires so that we grow out of them the way a child would after experiencing toys. I had toys as a child so I don't see the excitement in them however I see grown men who are still attracted to toys. Well I do have video games as my toys because I enjoy them. The point is that we are here to experience and grow and we are Ego, the ego came from God just like everything else did. There isn't a separate Source for the ego that needs to be killed. No one can be "hurried" to Enlightenment. No ones desires can be wished away by others who don't see a point in there desires. We all grow in consciousness over time until we arrive at the Source. If you think about a Sun growing on subatomic particles until it becomes even bigger then WV Cephii (which can fit thousands of stars in it) that's like our Spirits growing in Consciousness. We are growing until we all become one but you are right you can't be Enlightened until we give up our desires. Its not so easy is it unless you done everything you wanted to do and enjoy Spirituality instead.

In conclusion you and Adrian agree way more then you disagree and I am sure a majority of Christians would not take to kindly to your Panentheistic ideals.

I LOVE YOU MELODY! Tis glad ye is back.

[melody]

Hello Wavepsychic,

If Ego is such a great thing to have, what is it that keeps us in the physical plane? In my opinion it is the low vibrations that come from the Ego. How are we to decide what are the low vibration of the Ego and what are the God's vibrations of the Ego? Somebody who steals or kills does it because his Ego desires to do so. It is because of such low vibrations that he is in the physical plane. Somebody who loves to posses physical riches is in the physical plane also because of his Ego wanting this. It is only when the Ego will fully want to vibrate with the vibrations of God that the person will progress from the physical plane.

You are right, the Ego should not be killed, but the desires of the Ego should be elevated somehow.

[wavepsychic]

Melody

Hello Wavepsychic,

If Ego is such a great thing to have, what is it that keeps us in the physical plane? In my opinion it is the low vibrations that come from the Ego. How are we to decide what are the low vibration of the Ego and what are the God's vibrations of the Ego? Somebody who steals or kills does it because his Ego desires to do so. It is because of such low vibrations that he is in the physical plane. Somebody who loves to posses physical riches is in the physical plane also because of his Ego wanting this. It is only when the Ego will fully want to vibrate with the vibrations of God that the person will progress from the physical plane.

You are right, the Ego should not be killed, but the desires of the Ego should be elevated somehow.

I also think you are right Melody. The ego isn't a great thing but it is a journey that can be enjoyable. Yes to be born is to suffer but it isn't all suffering.

It is amazing how you said it yourself, The ego must want to return to the Source. The key word here is want. Everyone is different. What one must to do find Enlightenment is just like saying what must one do to find happiness or money. Happiness and money are two very different things I realize however they are both good analogies. The job or way of obtaining money that works for me might not work for you. You might enjoy working at Victoria Secrete I would not. What makes me happy wouldn't make you happy. I think growing up with a materialistic sister and farther made me say "I don't want to be like that". I always thought like a Philosopher and I enjoy things of the Spiritual nature because everything materialistic is temporary. I can say that most people who visit this site if not all of them practice detachment. I do not know why each one came to this life style of Spirituality but I do know why they are here. They are here because they enjoyed Adrian's book, we enjoy each other. Adrian isn't the only new age guru teaching the LOA and he did not "make" us. No two people believe the exact same things.

Everyone needs to find their own way or path back to the source and there is no one size fits all. It however does help us to know that we CAN have anything if we want. Just knowing everything is their for us helps us not desire it. I'd rather have the option to have something that I don't want then to want it and not be able to get it.

I love you Melody, for you are a part of my Journey back to all of us!

[melody]

Hello Wave,

Maybe wanting something and not getting it is also a part of the journey... 


Somebody once told me that there are only two kinds of great dissapointments in life:

1. To really want something badly and not being able to get it
2. To really want something badly, getting it, and then realizing that you did not wanted it at all...

 

[melody]

Welcome back Melody, and that you are well.

Hello Talker,

Thank you for welcoming my reapperence. That means a lot to me...

[Mina-Laura]

Hello beloved friends

A very good and valid point was raised here by Melody regarding Ego and our journey back to the Source.

So the main question is, how to attune ourselves to the vibrations of God so we can truly start expressing not our Egos but God - the Divinity of the Source, for which we have a great potential but no means of how-to yet.

I have pondered if to make it as a reply to this post – however as it was a pivotal factor in my existence I consider it important enough to make it a title in its own, hopefully for ease of access to others. 

http://www.ourultimatereality.com/forums/transcending-ego-in-our-journey-back-to-the-source-a-course-in-miracles-t928.0.html;msg8710#msg8710


love - Laura

[Gretch87]

I've got a question.  Why do you think it is that the church wants control over people?  Why do they want to sway people over with fear? What's in it for them?
Why all the dogma?

[Mina-Laura]

I've got a question.  Why do you think it is that the church wants control over people?  Why do they want to sway people over with fear? What's in it for them?
Why all the dogma?

Hi Justin

This is an excellent question, see if you can find your truth in the following article, posted by Enoch Tan. Warning!!!
Some of the things stated might outrage a lot of people. Handling darkness does not come easily to everyone, a lot loose control, or get scared and turn away or flat out quit.

Like Adrian said every time: take everyting with a pinch of salt ..hmm like whatever truth sounds good for you and for your own development and evolution. As we are all so spectacularly different and vibrate at different frequencies.

However if we were all singing same tune, there would be no symphony.

However in the end is all about choices, and in the 'if we exert them or not' and 'if we exert them, when and why and to what purpose'. This life is nothing but a test, however the higher we get in our knowledge bank every small mistake or error in thought get more and more amplified. However when living in a place of 'love', or Christ consciousness, there is no error .

cheers

love - Laura

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Majority of Christian Theory is So Incorrect

Posted By Enoch Tan On July 26, 2008 @ 11:30 am

The church is meant to be the place of the greatest good, but contrary to mass thinking, it can also actually be the place of the greatest evil. When the way of Christianity is taught in a way that is faulty, it can actually do more harm than all the other evils in the world. That is because when people think they are being led to do good when it is actually evil that they are doing, it is even worse compared to when they are doing evil but know that it is so. Evil presented as good is the greater evil than evil by itself.

It is better to be out there in the world, than to be in a church with the wrong kind of mentality. Instead of bring people to salvation, such a church would actually lead more people to hell. It doesn’t necessarily mean the literal hell, because Christians would still go to heaven after they die. But while on earth, they would be experiencing the effects of hell over their lives, even more so than the world alone could ever cause. They would be experiencing lack of power, freedom and happiness, which is hell indeed.

The two reasons why the church is in such a state, is because of the ingenuity of the devil and the stupidity of men. The devil knowing that he cannot outrightly oppose the power of the church with the world, has cleverly manipulated the church mentality, so as to cause it to destroy itself with its own power. The power of the church is that of godliness. By changing Christians idea of what true godliness is to an inferior form of godliness and making it as a superior form, the church is made worse than the world.

Truth always exists in a state of balance. By pushing to one extreme or another, it becomes falsehood. Perfect truth is always the integration of two opposite half truths. The church is actually meant to be a superior state of the world. But its mentality has been shifted to pit itself against the world. It rejects many things that the world and the devil use when those things are actually neutral. By doing so, the church loses much power, freedom and happiness, which is why the world is better than the church.

The world does not have so many of those restrictions that the church brought unto itself. Christians refrain from pursuing certain knowledge that is considered occult, which is why they remain in ignorance. Christians refrain from being exposed to certain activities classified as secular, which is why they are weakened in their ability to handle such things. Therefore children of world are wiser than children of light. All things are actually neutral and it’s only the intent of the user that determines good or evil.

The devil may play a part, but it is the stupidity of men that allows such things to take place. Sometimes when considering whether it is the devil’s work or the stupidity of Christians that is the greater factor, the answer might very well be that it has all got to do with the stupidity of Christians and nothing to do with the devil. One can devise great plans to conquer, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. Many Christians do not use their God given right to think intelligently.

A stupid person cannot be considered to be good since he does good things without knowing any better. Only one who can see both sides and choose to do no evil can be considered to be truly good. The church has kept its people in ignorance so that they will do only what it considers to be good without knowing any better. This is truly evil since the people will not know whether what they are doing is truly good in the first place. The only way to having true goodness is by developing conscious goodness.

A bad guy who turns good becomes truly good. That is because the bad guy has seen the bad side and now makes a conscious choice to choose the good side. A good guy who turns bad was never truly good in the first place. That is because he simply did good things without knowing what the bad side was like. Then when he has seen the bad side, he makes a conscious choice to choose it, which means he would never have been good in the first place if he was given a view of the two sides at the start.
Do not be afraid to enter Satan’s territory even to the point of falling out from Christianity. One who passes from light to darkness and back to light is more powerful on the side of light than ever before. The majority of Christian theory causes many people to be afraid of entering Satan’s territory lest they be corrupted and turn away from God. How can we call ourselves true Christians if we never made our choice based on complete awareness of light and darkness? The truest Christians are the fully conscious.

 

[Talker]

melody
   Re: Expressing God
« Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 20:02:42 » 
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Hello Wavepsychic,
If Ego is such a great thing to have, what is it that keeps us in the physical plane? In my opinion it is the low vibrations that come from the Ego. How are we to decide what are the low vibration of the Ego and what are the God's vibrations of the Ego? Somebody who steals or kills does it because his Ego desires to do so. It is because of such low vibrations that he is in the physical plane. Somebody who loves to posses physical riches is in the physical plane also because of his Ego wanting this. It is only when the Ego will fully want to vibrate with the vibrations of God that the person will progress from the physical plane.
You are right, the Ego should not be killed, but the desires of the Ego should be elevated somehow.
In Truth

Hello All,

The statement:

You are right, the Ego should not be killed, but the desires of the Ego should be elevated

Is my focus here.
Many are the years I've been hearing and reading, kill the ego, quite the ego,subdue the ego, etc.. I may be in error, but without ones ego, there is no awareness that we exist as free will agents. I liken awareness without ego, as the same awareness as any nonhuman form. Now I sure can't say that a stone, a tree, a plant or animal is aware of (what) they are, as in, I'm a rock, or I'm a Maple tree, or I'm a lion. Awareness of existence, in some manner, yes, I believe that. Awareness of (how) actually related to the source, God, I question. We as humans, with ego, can recognize the actual God within  relationship, giving rise to the negative or positive aspects of that relationship.
My thoughts are along the lines of (ego commenced) in the Garden of Eden. That knowledge of (good and evil) became the 900 pound gorilla to master in our new found awareness, but lost innocence.
So mastering the ego, endeavoring to regain that posture of innocence is what we are now experiencing. Bringing the ego to recognize who we are, and the heritage of our Godhood, into full awareness using free will choice, is how we regain that heritage.

I could be in error, but those are my thoughts.
Be Well 

[juliainkc]

Many Blessings All ~

I am InJoying all the wonderful responses here.

Justin, what I've noticed in all the places I have travelled is that people are the same all over the world. While they may look different on the outside and eat different and dress different, Within, all want or desire the same thing. To be completely accepted no matter what.

When someone is as I say, 'having a God behaving badly moment' I do not remove God in this equation. They are still God expressing in unconscious or having a bad dream form.

The louder, pushier or agressive one is on anything (including opinions on anothers lifestyle) is in my observation a revelation as to the depth of insecurities that are held within that one acting this out.

Those who are secure (Self Sustained) in their foundation or ground they walk on have no opinion really either way and allow others to do whatever they want without saying that's bad or good. Because that is what I want for myself and for all others. As I believe, my Truth applies to all in my Universe.

What better way to attempt to 'control ones fear' than to control ones environment? That's what the Church and 'orthodox' religions do.
They give you a likeness of truth but remove the truth. It's a look alike not an Authentic Image.

Justin, I read where you said you were fascinated by language. I am too. I call it being an archaeologist.

Thank you All for allowing me to share,

Love in Divine Spirit,

Julia