DONT BE AFRAID!

[knox_knox]

Thank you Talker for the helpful reply. It was good to hear someone referring to how far things have come and how things evolve. However, I still feel there was much more to the conversation I referred to. It seemed to me that it was all orchestrated in some way. Plans were mentioned which suggested to me something much bigger than like-minded folk swapping ideas.

Florence Schovel Shinn, The Kyballion and all the others have been around for a long time. Do you have any knowledge of origins of The Kyballion by any chance? No doubt these are really naiive questions but it did state "Don't be afraid". I think what I am getting at is whether any of this stuff dates back later than the last century. If that really is the case then it would be truly fascinating to discover more - and more. If they all originated in the last century then the question is also - why? and who told them? I refuse to believe that someone wakes up one day and decides to invent the Law of Attraction. Or that it comes to them in a vision. 

Would appreciate any ideas on these things.

Thanks again.
knox_knox

[Talker]

Thank you Talker for the helpful reply. It was good to hear someone referring to how far things have come and how things evolve. However, I still feel there was much more to the conversation I referred to. It seemed to me that it was all orchestrated in some way. Plans were mentioned which suggested to me something much bigger than like-minded folk swapping ideas.

Florence Schovel Shinn, The Kyballion and all the others have been around for a long time. Do you have any knowledge of origins of The Kyballion by any chance? No doubt these are really naiive questions but it did state "Don't be afraid". I think what I am getting at is whether any of this stuff dates back later than the last century. If that really is the case then it would be truly fascinating to discover more - and more. If they all originated in the last century then the question is also - why? and who told them? I refuse to believe that someone wakes up one day and decides to invent the Law of Attraction. Or that it comes to them in a vision. 

Would appreciate any ideas on these things.

Thanks again.
knox_knox

Hi knox_knox,

Whew, going to let this jell a bit. Do recall waaaay back, the confusion experienced, as I checked out and read, joined, left, certain books and as they were called secret societies. May mess up the spelling here, but names like Regardie, Crowly,Hermes,Golden Dawn, AMORC,Fortune, Opiel, are popping in and out. There are many more. Not sure of where or when the mentioned things started, or if stll in existance. The books and teachings were in many instances deliberately misleading. there were/are various levels one had to pass through, before one started getting the real material. Some were/are well funded, and some by invitation only.There also was a pecking order of leaders, some bordered on cult status.You'll find this site, germane to reality, without robes, incense, candles and mystical chants. Nothing wrong with those things, but it can become quite heavy in action. Rife machine I'm conversant with to a small degree. Maybe I'm still missing in giving what you are asking about. So give a shout.

[knox_knox]

Talker, I have to thank you again for taking the time to reply and help me out.You mentioned how you had read stuff from many different sources and discarded a lot of it too. I checked out some of the names you mentioned and it became clearer to me what I am looking for.  I think this is the crux of the matter. There are certain phenomena which I believe have to be accepted as fact. However, it also seems to me that some organisations almost make it up as they go along. Well, to be more precise, they include what appeals to them. There again your references to being intenionally misleading brought me back to my conversation again - this was mentioned in a very topical context. Which again makes me wonder to what extent we may be manipulated. Which brings me back to the question of where did the information come from? I guess the answer to that is that to some extent it has been passed down over the centuries, or millenia even, and sources have been kept secret for obvious reasons. However, it is precisely this fact that causes me problems. Having been "brainwashed" at a Roman Catholic primary school, which I am still coming to terms with, I am therefore very reluctant to accept anything at face value. After all do I wish to switch from one form of manipulation only to be manipulated by another organisation? In some ways I see similarities. Partly it seems undeniable and yet partly I do feel there is major manipulation going on by unseen parties. It is just so easy to set stuff off in cyber circulation these days and before we know it we are all accepting things as fact - simply because we have read it so often.

I hope I'm not driving anyone crazy with these questions but although I am really fascinated - and the more I learn the more I want to know -  by all these topics it is important for me to know more of the source of information before accepting and internalising it.

Hope I have made my situation a little clearer.

[Talker]

Talker, I have to thank you again for taking the time to reply and help me out.You mentioned how you had read stuff from many different sources and discarded a lot of it too. I checked out some of the names you mentioned and it became clearer to me what I am looking for.  I think this is the crux of the matter. There are certain phenomena which I believe have to be accepted as fact. However, it also seems to me that some organisations almost make it up as they go along. Well, to be more precise, they include what appeals to them. There again your references to being intenionally misleading brought me back to my conversation again - this was mentioned in a very topical context. Which again makes me wonder to what extent we may be manipulated. Which brings me back to the question of where did the information come from? I guess the answer to that is that to some extent it has been passed down over the centuries, or millenia even, and sources have been kept secret for obvious reasons. However, it is precisely this fact that causes me problems. Having been "brainwashed" at a Roman Catholic primary school, which I am still coming to terms with, I am therefore very reluctant to accept anything at face value. After all do I wish to switch from one form of manipulation only to be manipulated by another organisation? In some ways I see similarities. Partly it seems undeniable and yet partly I do feel there is major manipulation going on by unseen parties. It is just so easy to set stuff off in cyber circulation these days and before we know it we are all accepting things as fact - simply because we have read it so often.

I hope I'm not driving anyone crazy with these questions but although I am really fascinated - and the more I learn the more I want to know -  by all these topics it is important for me to know more of the source of information before accepting and internalising it.

Hope I have made my situation a little clearer.

Hi  knox_knox ,
Found a link here on the forum in regards to your Kyballion request.
Have,ahem, also included a link to some of my material that I blog.

http://www.ourultimatereality.com/forums/the-kybalion-t5.0.html
The Psychics Blog - 
http://thepsychicsblog.blogspot.com/     
The Healers Blog -   
http://waysofahealer.blogspot.com/
Razors Edge - 
http://anotherlookatit.blogspot.com/

[knox_knox]

Hi Talker, that seems like a lot of reading which I will tackle at the first opportunity. I have a copy of the Kyballion. Have read several chapters but not completed it yet. The origins interest me.... but that's just me again.
Thanks again. Will get back to you soon.

[knox_knox]

Hi Talker,
Life is getting in the way of my reading at present. However, I would like to let you know that I had a moment's insight - at least I believe it is insight. It suddenly occurred to me that I could indeed be right about an orchestrated action and a very likely organisation came to mind. Further research showed that these ideas are very much a part of their beliefs. I am not judging anyone as regards possible motives for doing this. What bothers me is that I do very much feel that there is some manipulation involved and I do not feel comfortable with it. As I mentioned, I was "brainwashed" for long enough as a child and that was enough for one lifetime. Until it is clearer to me where these things originate I am keeping my distance. I will continue to absorb things and visit the forum but I really would like some more information about where these texts, books etc suddenly appeared from in the last century.
knox_knox

[Talker]

Hi Talker,
 I am not judging anyone as regards possible motives for doing this. What bothers me is that I do very much feel that there is some manipulation involved and I do not feel comfortable with it. As I mentioned, I was "brainwashed" for long enough as a child and that was enough for one lifetime. Until it is clearer to me where these things originate I am keeping my distance. I will continue to absorb things and visit the forum but I really would like some more information about where these texts, books etc suddenly appeared from in the last century.
knox_knox

Hey knox_knox ,
I understand what you are saying. Your not at any fault here, with your thoughts. Let me offer a new way at looking at it all. Its difficult to evaluate anything without a judgemental process being involved. There is nothing wrong with looking for ulterior motives in or with any process. Just the knowing of it, arms you to cope with it.Ones first impression is generally the one that is correct, don't mess with it. Hold it, that first impression, use it as a red light for STOP, or a yellow light for caution, or a green light for go ahead, with what is being presented or offered. As you learn to trust this process, you'll become more tuned into it. You cant be manipulated or brainwashed if you are aware of what is or may be being tried by someone.Just don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.I do mention about the last statement in my blog. Now , for what it's worth, Don't let the "origination" situation requirement control you. I was for years caught up in it. Being aware of the poop involved, cherry pick it ( as I call it) for what you CAN use of it. While using the good stuff, you can always go back for the origination of it. You need not voice your judgement, or the suspected motive, just being aware, and evaluating it in you're mind will help keep the mind clear. Like you some what, I was in a childhood based rut. Once I learned to cherry pick, many areas of troublesome ways of life, started clearing up. Once viewed from the perspective of "the difficult I do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer" it did help me cope with the variables.Often I found that the more I strained for an answer, the more stressed I was becoming. I since learned that going into an alpha state and relaxing, will produce what I'm looking for. It may not be "right now", but the particular situation has been presented to the Universe to work out the answer, and it ultimately arrives. Thoughout the process, I just relax and enjoy, knowing that it "is" resolved. Long story short, it works.
Be Well

[knox_knox]

HiTalker,
Just a quick reply to say "thank you" for that. It really was helpful and as soon as I have a bit more time I will look into it all a bit more.
Thanks again

[melody]

Well, I don't really think that much about breaking into the music industry part - I first have to finish my songs and be really satisfied with them. And according the the LOA, I shouldn't think about 'how' to make money with the music anyway, right? But ofcourse I have thought a bit about that, but there are several ways to make money with music. Lot's of people seem to think you must play in a band, but I think it's more interesting to sell music to new media formats and on top of that, perhaps play live as well. But I kind of like to stay behind the scenes anyway - I'm not looking for much personal attention that big stars get. Basicly, I believe that if you truly have a good product, it should be possible to sell it.

Hello Awakened Soul,

I just wanted to bring to your attention a totally unknown Russian singer from Moscow who is finding ways of making it into the big music industry. He and his group of musicians have just signed a contract for the six first records with Virgin company. And their song "Gitar" on YouTube is a real hit, has been seen by more than 1/2 million people and the number is growing every day by hundreds. They use a simple and catchy tune, simple words, unusual word usage and spelling, and make a great use of an accent! Also notice how the effects in the video contribute to the song's expressive effect. Although there was a rumor that they have themselves shot the video, it was actually done by professionals, but in such a way that it is believable it could be done by a layman. So the video becomes more personable and approachable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOzkN8dHnjk

Just some music ideas into the New Year... 

[tessa]

just a note on Adrians book I ordered it a few weeks ago from Amazon?!? Hasn't arrived yet though I have to say . . . can't wait tho, I will find the book much easier to read in paperback form and I can take it on holiday and read it whilst my husband plays with the kids

[tessa]

Hi Awakened Soul,

My view is that before we are born we choose a specific life in order to learn something or many things and it is when we have learned these specific things that we no longer need to exist in this life/realm and we return back to our higherself maybe to incarnate again some day in order to learn more new things and become a greater soul.  I do believe that we have free will in as much as we choose what kind of life we lead and how we react and interact with the world but at the same time there are always situations destined for us that we need to happen as how we cope with these situations or embrace them is part of our learning, I do also believe that we have to choice to exist or not to exist and that for a lot of the time those who choose not to exist anymore have maybe just chosen a life for themselves which is just too difficult a bit like thinking you can pass an exam but when you start studying realising you have just taken on too much so quit, on a more positive note though I think that for almost everything that happens in life there is a positive reason or a positive learning to be taken from it.  I suffered from depression a few years ago but now see that it has actually made me much more of a stronger person and to has enabled me to deal with feelings and situations head on, had I not gone through this difficult time I would not be the laid back person that I am today and I belive that I wouldn't be as good a mother as I belive I am so in retrospect it was a good thing for me to go through the depression even though at the time it obviouslly didn't feel like that!!

Sometimes I agree it does feel like life is just someone elses game but maybe it is just a testing time for you at the moment.

Hope that all makes sense

Tessa 

[Werp Weg Alles]

well since this hasn't been posted, " in for at least 120 days" I figure I'll give a reply and maybe get it moving again, since I myself haven't been here for "at least 120 days" either.

I was a very contributive member to the Forums here and I thank everyone for replying or talking the time to post, all this information being shared in one place is ideal for myself and anyone else searching for a little enlightenment on just about any topic.  I however took a falling out with this site after experiencing very serious bouts of depression, generalized anxiety disorder, drug addiction related to the two previous diseases, and a subsequent onset of schizophrenia. 

What a great few months it has been.  I am and for the most part always have been against America's pill popping epidemic and realize that if the universe feels it necessary for me to work through these problems, then I should probably pay attention.  So I did, I'm proud to say that after much hard work and many losses, I have finally gotten my life together.

Really this isn't supposed to be a sob story, haha, I apologize for the way the post is headed so far, really I just wanted to share a story of how anything can be overcome with focused intention, love, and a little help from a "higher authority."  I turned to artificial happiness after my panic and sadness overtook me using natural and man made drugs to cover up my symptoms and who I really was.  It turns out that my genetics hid a latent gene for schizophrenia and my drug use happened to trigger it. 

It is an extremely scary situation to find oneself in when other "people" inside your head take control of your life.  However now that I myself am truly back I know that anything can be overcome if you have faith in the universe, and in love. I focused my intentions everday on a radiant glowing picture of who I was before these events happened, and pushed to be that person whom I loved again.  I thanked the universe for recreating myself as that person everyday using the LOA towards my goal, and now that I have achieved it I feel better than I ever have in my life.

I still browsed these forums during my absence and I would really like to thank everyone who shares any inspirational message here.  They really encouraged me to grow past negative emotions and woke me up to the fact that if i regained control over my thoughts, I regained control over myself.

If anything I want any and all readers to truly see that any message can be shared here without fear of negativity or backlash.  I am an example, I share this to show firsthand that mind over matter is truth, to allow my sincerest gratitude to shine on all those whose posts I read and which inspired me, and to let others know that you do not need to be afraid to share anything here, the members are without question the nicest people on the planet who want only to improve your spiritual well being.


Werp Weg Alles

[juliainkc]

Beloved Werp Weg Alles,

I too have experienced what you share here. I honor you as I honor Darrell for being so real about experiencing what is labeled a 'Spirtitual Life'. You are Genuine and Real, and Honest. I can share with you.

I love you. Truly. Thank you for being so real, it helps me to heal from the over stepping of Authority bounds while desiring to 'save this world". God IS. No thing is impossible if we turn ourselves over to a Higher Authority.

Sending Love Your Way...need I say more?

Julia

[melody]

Hello Werp,

It’s good you are back and are well now. Thank you for sharing your experience… It is great you came out of it victorious!

It sounds like you are off all the medications and you are doing fine?! That’s really an accomplishment!

I have been checking from time to time whether you have been back, but I guess you were visiting the forum “incognito”.

Welcome back!

[spirit011]

  I woke up one AM with a mantra "Sin is Fear" " Fear is Sin" This was years ago and I still reflect on that strong message. Your message says allot about that.              Light and Love Pat