Does time exist only in a physical dimension?

[melody]

I often come across a statement that Time only exists in the physical dimension, and would cease to exist once out of the material reality. The time basically measures the journey from paint A to pint B. So as a planet rotates around a Sun, it covers some trajectory, and the time measures how long it takes to pass between certain points on its journey in space. As for human beings, the time obviously measures our journey through life.

I question though the statement that time does not exist beyond the physical word. As our souls pass to the Astral worlds, they are grouped according to the level of their spiritual vibrations. Therefore, they know they are still on a journey to reach a higher vibration, to get from one point of existence (lets say it is a point A) to the next point of existence (point B), which takes time to do.

If time does not exist, then one is everywhere simultaneously.

If we view our present being in the physical form as at a very low vibration level Omega, and if we are striving to reach the highest level – that of God, which would be Alpha, this presupposes a journey between various points. This requires time to accomplish. Our sprit would not be simultaneously at all points of development at once – the condition that would be timeless.

I guess once we come back to the Source, the time would cease to exist. But when we are on our journey to the Source, it is a progression and self development of our soul in time, even after we had outgrown the physical form. It is basically a progression to higher and higher vibration levels, in Astral and beyond Astral worlds. Our soul could not exist simultaneously at those levels (and therefore be in a timeless state) since it would still have to reach many higher levels to finally reach and blend with

[Earl]

Hello Melody      Perhaps to better answer the question, one could think of it this way :  The effects of time are only relevant to the physical dimension.  Just trying to keep...or make it simple. 

Earl

[Questioner]

Earl,

Why do we, as humans, seems to prefer to keep things "simple" 

In my experience, it has usually been the case that, "plowing through the complexities of our reality" is the only way to learn anything about our ultimate reality.

But then again, my name reflects my nature. I question things... 

[Questioner]

I too have a lot of questions about "time."

"Time" must exist within a physical world in order to, as Melody pointed out, realize the movement from one place to another. The progression of time is what makes it possible to be "human" in that we experience this particular world the way that we do. Likewise, in metaphysical speak, to "progress from one level of vibration to another" also requires the "time" and "space" to do so.

So, this line of thinking begs the question of how "anything" can "exist" without the "progression of time." 

"Existence" or "Being" or even "Awareness" -- whether in a physical realm or not -- precludes "a certain point" -- does it not?

Then, in consideration of this "certain point" doesn't this then preclude that there are other "certain points" where such existence/being/awareness is NOT???

If so, then wouldn't it be necessary for "the progression of time" -- in some form or another -- to exist throughout our ultimate reality?

Perhaps in trying to understand "time" maybe we are asking the wrong questions 

Instead of "limiting time" to "physical worlds" alone -- in order to account for the difference between the physical and non-physical, or to account for the existence of "time" itself -- perhaps we should be seeking to better understand "relativity" -- and all of its implications -- in order to better understand both "time" and "reality."



 

[melody]

Hello Questioner,

I think it is great to be asking those types of questions. Maybe only great spiritual masters like Christ or Buddha would have been able to tell us about the laws and realities in other than physical dimensions with a 100% certainty, but most likely they would have spoken in parables, and made us guessing for millennia to come as to the real meaning of what they said.

It is good to speculate and ask about those beyond the physical realities, and to keep one's mind open in that way, especially if one is determined to do some spiritual growing.

Besides, the Quantum physicists and other scientists are doing such questioning and speculation all the time, and although some of them might imagine they have the final word in that matter, but do they really? The theories come and go and other theories grow out of them and replace them. All of this is a process, rather than the truth written in stone.  This process shapes our reality in our physical world, and hopefully will help everybody to outgrow this physical reality and reach more spiritual dimensions one day.

[seen Here]

Hi Melody,

I suggest you have a look at the flash videos at http://www.tenthdimension.com/flash2.php
Then play them three or four times so that you start to get you head round it all!!

Play item 2 again and notice how a 2-dimensional flatlander experiences the 3-dimensional balloon only as a 2-dimensional plane at the point where the 3rd dimension intersects with his 2nd dimension.

Then play item 4 again and notice the similarity to the above. Here we see how we who have our awareness focused in the third dimension only experience the 4th dimension as a plane at the point where in intersects our 3rd dimension. (Rob Bryanton’s idea that you would see your life as a long snake seems misplaced to me, though I accept it is a useful visualisation. If you could really focus your consciousness at the 4th dimension you would see your life not as an object but as an experience: you would experience your whole life contemporaneously as a point experience rather than as a linear one. This is why he also refers to the 4th dimension as a point). I think he is saying that at whatever dimension your awareness is focused you always experience the dimension above as a plane and the dimensions above that not at all.

Now look at item 5. Here a flatlander is seen to experience the 3-D Mobius strip as a 2-D object although we can see that the object is twisting & turning in the 3rd dimension – it appears to him as a straight line experience. He then goes on to show how in like manner we experience the 4th dimension as a straight line even though it is, invisibly to us, twisting & turning in the 5th dimension! The branches that appear in the 5th dimension give the subjective experience of passing time in the 3rd dimension as you take the choices presented to you. So, time is an illusion generated by our not being able to see the whole picture as elements of reality are hidden from us in the higher dimensions. As least, I think that’s how it works. I’m new to this idea and am still trying to assimilate it!!

It seems to me that Bryanton may have something with his ideas. I regard dimension zero as being the field of existence and dimension 10 as the superposition of all the possibilities that could arise in any universe. Thus you have void (awareness) at one end of the system and form mutually arising within it from infinite potential at the other.

Consider this also. If our incarnation from our inner self projects down from dimension 10 to focus in the 3rd dimension then, when the body dies, could consciousness withdrawing from the 3rd dimension back to the 10th explain the ‘tunnel of light’ syndrome experienced in NDEs? Might its passage through the 4th & 5th dimensions etc also explain the ‘life review’ syndrome as consciousness becomes able to experience the incarnation just completed as a contemporaneous experience?

Stuff to think about here. I’ve ordered the book….

Seen Here

[melody]

Hello seen Here,

Thank you very much for your interesting information on a possibly 10 dimensional reality. I will have to ponder on that one. I saw the video and found it intriguing, though it is still hard to imagine those dimensions.

It is also intriguing that this theory comes from a musician rather than a physicist. I wander whether the Universe is a huge work of art rather than any "scientific" system?

Let us know what you get out of the book.

[melody]

Instead of "limiting time" to "physical worlds" alone -- in order to account for the difference between the physical and non-physical, or to account for the existence of "time" itself -- perhaps we should be seeking to better understand "relativity" -- and all of its implications -- in order to better understand both "time" and "reality."

 

Speaking of the theory of relativity, did you know that it was not Albert Einstein who first came up with the theory, or even with the equation E = mc²?

5 years before Einstein published his paper with this famous formula, another great scientist has published his findings about “special relativity” (as the theory of relativity was called at the time) and has given to the world the same formula. It does not matter that the formula was inverted and came in the form m = E / c2, since it is the same formula. And it does not matter that this scientist spoke of radiation and fluid, rather than energy and matter, since we all know that radiation is energy and fluid is matter.

This scientist was one of the greatest thinkers of his time, and it simply is not possible that Einstein did not know about him or read his papers.

So who was the scientist who really came up with this formula? He was a Frenchman, and his name was Henri Poincaré.

You can read more about the history of Special Relativity in Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_special_relativity

And here’s more about Henri Poincaré
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Poincare

I wander what it is about us, human beings, that we want to give the entire credit for the invention of the theory of relativity to just one person – Einstein - who took an existing formula and used another lexicon to describe and define it.

[Werp Weg Alles]

Hello Melody,

Doesn't Our Ultimate Reality say that humans are a multidimensional being?  And that only our consciousness is focused on this world of 3 dimensions that we falsely believe to be our reality, when in actuality, our inner astral and mental bodies are existing on the mental and astral plains simultaneously, when we astral project, we therefore only project out consciousness to our astral body and realize what its doing instead of focusing on the illusion that is "separateness," and our five physical senses.

From history here,(kind of, mixed with speculation) time was created as a way to get humans as a whole, or society if you will, to be more productive. Before there was, "time" it was more I'll work to get what I need, and to feed my family...etc. and when I get tired, I'll stop(at this time of course there was still "years" and "days" and passing of time that way.  However then someone got the idea of measuring days and "hours" and etc. as to say to the society, hey you need to work 8 hours every day. So that we can push you to do more and more and so that we can control you better.

Also, if you like to look into, "third world" countries, where people still use the barter system, its interesting to note that most people there don't work on schedules or certain shifts, they work to get what needs to be done, done.  So that their needs and their families are taken care of.  And then they stop.

In my opinion, time is only another illusion, yes it has to exist to a point, but if you've read Adrian's explanation in Our  Ultimate Reality, where after "death" you stay in the Astral only until such a "time" that your soul is ready to reincarnate on earth once again.  This process can take "eons" in relation to earth time, but once in the astral, its only a matter of planning what karma needs to be rectified in the next life, and how much "time" you want to rest in the astral.

Hope this helped, maybe. It rambles a bit.( I tend to do that quite often, haha)

All the best

Werp

[melody]

Hello Melody,

... time was created as a way to get humans as a whole, or society if you will, to be more productive. Before there was, "time" it was more I'll work to get what I need, and to feed my family...etc. and when I get tired, I'll stop(at this time of course there was still "years" and "days" and passing of time that way.  However then someone got the idea of measuring days and "hours" and etc. as to say to the society, hey you need to work 8 hours every day. So that we can push you to do more and more and so that we can control you better. ...

Hello Werp,

Humans did not invent time in the physical plane, God did. Humans only invented the system that measures time.

Everything that exists in the physical plane operates within a time dimension:

-   Earth and other planets circumnavigating around the Sun.
-   Moon rotating around Earth.
-   Earth rotating around its own axes.
-   The seasons fallowing each other.
-   The starred skis changing gradually above one's head.
-   The vegetation renewing itself with the seasons and producing crops.
-   Etc.

People were conscious of time even before the states and organizations sprang into power. The sun-clocks have existed for several millennial, well before the advent of our modern society and an 8 hour working day.

Since our life on Earth, in this physical dimension is a process, and the spiritual journey through the many higher dimension is also a process, which presupposes not an instantaneity but some type of a progression, and therefore some type of points of before and after – the Soul was this before, and became that after – the inquiry about a time dimension pops up quite naturally. (At least for me.   )

[Werp Weg Alles]

Hello Melody,

Very true about the sun calender, and we all know about the counts the Mayans had.  And like everything, time exists to us, therefore it is all part of the source, but I don't think it was necessarily his(its just easier to refer to that way, I know the source has no gender etc.....) purpose for us to turn astrology into a way to monitor time, I mean, "time" could have developed in MANY other ways.  We just chose the earth circling the sun, the moon circling the earth etc.(there are numerous other constants in the Universe or even on earth that could have been used for this purpose.) 

And of course your right, the souls path is a progression, but we as humans are all multidimensional beings, continuously existing at an infinite level of vibrations throughout the astral and mental spheres of life, all we need to to connect with these spheres(where our astral and mental bodies are always present) is project our point of consciousness by raising the vibrations thereof.  Therefore, once we get past the five physical senses and the physical body, for good, I don't think we'll have to experience time as such just as we'll know that we either need to prepare for another reincarnation where we can balance more karma, or we can spend some "time," in the astral before moving on to the mental planes and later the cosmic and celestial spheres of life. 

Werp

P.S. I'm also pretty sure we're never going to reach an agreement on this particular subject haha, but I still find it interesting to hear all the new points you bring up.

[Werp Weg Alles]

Hello,

Just thought of another quick thing to add here.  The eternal now.  In the universe beyond our physical one, everything exists in the eternal now.  Which is why everything that has, does or will exist on earth, already exists in the astral.  No time, only NOW!

Cheers,

Werp

[melody]

In the universe beyond our physical one, everything exists in the eternal now. 

Hello Werp,

If everything already exists in the eternal now beyond the physical, this presupposes that once one gets beyond the physical one will already be everything one can ever be in the eternal now, and therefore there is no path of the spiritual progression necessary after leaving the physical, because one will already be perfect. 

[Werp Weg Alles]

Aw, but everything the universe has created, IS perfect. You and I are already perfect, per-se.  And, we are already multi-dimensional beings, constantly "living" in the physical, astral, mental, cosmic, and celestial spheres of life.  When we evolve to higher places, the only thing thats truly evolving is the point of view of our consciousness.  We are already perfect, and we are already everything we can be.  When we evolve therefore, we only move the point of consciousness, I think.  Hopefully when Adrian comes on again we can hear his view too....haha.

Werp

[melody]

I recently had a very interesting conversation with a man who is getting a PH.D. in Quantum Mechanics shortly. Time is not his direct topic, but he reads a lot on this subject and goes to many scientific conferences. At one of them, a top notch researcher in Quantum Time had clearly stated that nobody knows about time and it would be a great fallacy to claim that time does not exist as far as Quantum reality is concerned. They are discovering that the concept of Time is much more complex than ever imagined, and are seeing more and more of its complexities.

The man I talked to laughed when I suggested that Quantum physics proves that there is Law of Attraction because researchers influence the outcome of the experiment with their mind. He said that only people who do not understand the complexity of the Quantum Physics research can state something like that. With all my respect to those who teach and propagate LOA, his exact advise to me was:” Don’t read it, don’t buy it, its all crap.”

He said that researchers investigate one or two Quanta at a time, and it is “a very fragile phenomenon.” Mathematical models are used to investigate this, and although statistically and according to those models one quanta is at many places at the same time, but when one actually measure where exactly it is, or ”when you ask it where it is”, it is always at one spot.

The same goes for parallel realities. He said those concepts were based on constructed mathematical models. Just because a mathematical model of such a situation could be conceive and logically formulated, does not mean that parallel realities actually exist.

As for Quantum teleportation, he personally knows the scientist who coined this term, and who is now very sorry that this is how he called the phenomenon he studied, because of how laymen have misappropriated it, interpreting it in ways that have absolutely nothing to do with his experiments. His experiments were done with two photons. Wave characteristics were teleported into another photon, whereas the original energy dissipated and could not be teleported.