Does time exist only in a physical dimension?

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

Of course this scientist is entitled to his opinion, but I am with the 99% of quantum physicists who would not share it, including three I particularly respect - Albert Einstein, David Bohm and more recently Fred Alan Wolf.

Most scientists are empiricists who work with the Newtonian model of the Universe which is several hundred years old now and belongs in the same realms of the "Flat Earth Society".

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[melody]

Hello Melody,

Of course this scientist is entitled to his opinion, but I am with the 99% of quantum physicists who would not share it, including three I particularly respect - Albert Einstein, David Bohm and more recently Fred Alan Wolf.

Most scientists are empiricists who work with the Newtonian model of the Universe which is several hundred years old now and belongs in the same realms of the "Flat Earth Society".

Kind regards,

Adrian.

Hello Adrian,

Fred Alan Wolf’s interpretation of Quantum Physics does not represent 99% of scientists in this field. As a matter of fact ‘His theories about the interrelation of consciousness and quantum physics have been described in a Newsweek editorial as "on the fringes of mainstream science."... He is sometimes criticized for blending verifiable scientific evidence for quantum phenomena with unfalsifiable metaphysical connections, often without differentiating between the two‘ (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Alan_Wolf)

The Quantum Physics scientists no longer deal with the Newtonian Physics. Investigating the complexity of time previously not understood, and not even previewed by Einstein, attests to this.

I also have great respect for Einstein and Bohn, but the investigation in this field is not standing still. Some of Einstein’s’ postulates, as a matter of fact, have already been questioned.

The idea that time does not exist for quanta apparently originated because one cannot go back - backtrack the quanta experiments to double check them, as is done with other experiments. But it is now postulated, on the bases of new research in this field, that some other phenomenon not yet understood might be involved, and that the conclusion that time does not exist might have been premature.

The man I talked to said that almost any scientists has his favorite ways of interpreting ideas and his experiments, and has his own pet believes, but the great scientists keep their private believes under control and aim for the objectivity and the objectivity of experiments. He admitted that he himself has some private pet postulates, but he consciously keeps them at bay and keeps an open mind to all the new information he comes across. He said though there is a group of scientists who only propagate their own pet believes, and this is not a good science, not at all objective.

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

To be fair I did say that I broadly agree with 99% of quantum physicists including Fred Alan Wolf. I did not say that 99% of quantum physicists therefore agree with Fred Alan Wolf - that is somewhat convoluted logic

Fred Alan Wolf is not always well liked by the quantum physics community due to his comic book approach as "Dr. Quantum", but I respect him for that because he is bringing these important subjects into the realms of many more people. I also agree with his position of quantum physics viz a viz The Law of Attraction which is unambiguously correct.

Beyond that it is absolutely pointless talking about "time" as if it is a principle because it is not. Time is an experience not a principle. Humans have attempted to make it into a principle by creating clocks and calendars and other arbitrary means of relating to a chain of events, but at the final analysis, as Einstein said, it is "relative".

Time does not exist for quanta because time does not exist at all. Quanta, in the form of Energy ultimately respond to one influence only - Mind, and the action of the Mind occurs within the Mental Planes, far away from the physical Universe of matter. But once a Thought Form is created, it will eventually manifest into the temporal physical Universe, where it becomes subject to the experience of time.

The thing with almost all scientists is that they are starting from the standpoint of the physical Universe being reality, and then endeavouring to make all their theories work around that, using scientific and other human concepts. They will never succeed if they continue to pursue that approach because not only is time an illusion, the physical world around them, and the basis for their postulations are an illusion as well.

The physical world is very similar to The Matrix in the movies of the same name, except for the fact their is no computer generating it, in all other respects it is uncannily similar.  Those scientists are living in the matrix believing it to be real.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[melody]

Hello Adrian,

This is a quote you made in another thread in this forum

Hello Melody,

Just as things can take time to manifest at the vibration of the physical world they also take time to dissipate. They also dissipate after the manner they were made and subject to the Earth environment.

The Quanta manifest physically instantaneously. It is claimed that time does not exists. It was even claimed before in these forums that even in the physical world time is only an illusion held together by our minds.

The artifacts that were discovered intact after millenia and not held together with a human mind would indicate that time is not an illusion, but it actually exists... 

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

The artifacts that were discovered intact after millenia and not held together with a human mind would indicate that time is not an illusion, but it actually exists... 

Not really because "Millennia" is a human construct. One of the turning points for humanity downwards was the invention of the measurement and adherence to linear time.

What is known as "time" is actually experienced not measured - or should not be measured anyway. It is adherence to a linear concept of time that prevents people from living and manifesting in the Now.

I am sure everyone would agree that if you are doing something enjoyable "time" flies by and is experienced in moments, but when doing something boring it seems to "last forever".

To the extent that it exists at all that is how it would be experienced.

Time-Space is also a function of gravity, and the reason why one of the likely outcomes of the Galactic Alignment is the stripping away of time-space.

The Mayans predict this and Nostradamus even prophesied it.

As I mentioned before - in the Astral the people there have no concept of "time".

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[Baki Hanma]

Ok the most confusing part of time and space is that it doesn't exist. So what would you call the amount of space between now and what we call tomorrow? I know it is the Eternal Now that is always present, but what would be know as the space and distance between events?

[Adrian]

Hello Baki Hanma,

Ok the most confusing part of time and space is that it doesn't exist. So what would you call the amount of space between now and what we call tomorrow? I know it is the Eternal Now that is always present, but what would be know as the space and distance between events?

Space and time does exist - at the moment - on Earth.

It is how it is experienced that matters. Humans have made space-time a rigid framework by introducing a system of time as measured by calendars, clocks etc, instead of simply experiencing time in its native state.

However - it is our task to raise our consciousness beyond Earth to the Eternal Now where all manifestations on Earth originate.

I never wear a watch.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[Baki Hanma]

Many have said that time doesn't really exist and I learned this awhile ago. Actually I remember asking you something about seeing into the future and you told me that it was impossible cause the the future doesn't exist - neather does time.

You dont wear a watch?! Wow, your too much . You mean you know when you have to be at places just by knowing?

[Adrian]

Hello Baki Hamna,

Many have said that time doesn't really exist and I learned this awhile ago. Actually I remember asking you something about seeing into the future and you told me that it was impossible cause the the future doesn't exist - neather does time.

You dont wear a watch?! Wow, your too much . You mean you know when you have to be at places just by knowing?

Time does not exist, but it subjectively experienced within the space-time continuum.

The "future" definitely does not exist. What humans call "the past" is like an echo or Energy signature that represents an event - this is what remote viewers are sensing.

I rarely have to "be at places" because even if I do I rarely place myself in a situation that binds me to time. But in the event that I do need to be somewhere at a specific time, then I program my computer to let me know just beforehand. The important thing is though that I do not become actively involved with time.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[Sethg]

Adrian

Your into a tough one here. The hardest concept to articulate as humans need that "show me" and a concept like time being an illusion is a tough one.

Funny I was reading the newspaper and there was a quote by a Dane named Peter Hoeg whoever he is and he said:

"Time is not a law of nature. It is a plan. When you look at it with awareness, or start to touch it, then it starts to disintegrate."

Without a point of reference like A or B then time doesn't exist. Of course on earth we have made it this important component of living because we have been stuck in the concept of birth and death being A to B.

With awareness that we are eternal then time disintegrates. Another factor of time on earth is that we are under the illusion that there is night and day. This is because of our perspective or frame of reference. From a wider perspective the sun neither dawns or sets.

And Baki tomorrow is also an illusion of time. There is no tomorrow. There is only now.

Time being an illusion is a very hard concept to explain when it has to satisfy the logical human mind.

As you say it is merely experienced and then only when we use reference points like tomorrow or the future or the past or even as I say birth and death. each one of us will interpret time from their own reference points. So that in itself tells me that it is not real and subjective.

Funny how we love to believe what "scientists" say and even funnier that they are arriving at the same conclusions as so called new age enlightened humans.

Seth

[Questioner]

In theory, I can imagine that "time" does not exist, that there is only an "eternal now" by which the human mind must split into past, present and future in order to process the input of experiential stimuli.

However, you have lost me on this thread with, on the one hand, acknowledging that only the "eternal now" exists, and yet on the other hand, you say that the "future" does NOT exist YET. This does not work, logically, and it is not the limitation of the human mind that prevents us from understanding such a claim.

In order for the "eternal now" to be the only reality, then the future MUST already exist as a part of the eternal now. In this case, "eternal" means just that: "eternal"--which includes all that has yet to occur.

Now, that said, the missing element to the claim that all that exists is the "eternal now" is the necessary inclusion of multiverse reality. The future does indeed exist, but only one such future will be experienced by each human mind on earth. All of the other possible "futures" are also manifest, but only in other parallel worlds. 

So, if you want to have an "eternal now" you must, by the nature of it being "eternal", include a "future"; and without parallel worlds within a much greater multiverse, such a claim just won't work.

Finally, one other problem with the "eternal now" in the context of "time not existing" is that the very notion of "NOW" precludes a "point in time."

Perhaps what we have here is simply a semantic problem, BUT--if we can't figure out a way to talk about "it" (whatever the "it" is that is the current victim of such semantic problems) then in all truth, we don't know what we are talking about! 

IMO, we need a serious language overhaul that will enable us to discuss metaphysics properly. Until we do, we are just trying to describe highly subjective visionary insights in a language that is currently limited to, and used within, a strictly objective reality.

But...these things are just my opine!

[juliainkc]

Hello Questioner,

I appreciate you for sharing!! Very interesting, valid and excellent point of view.

Namaste,

Julia

[zensunni7]

Imagine - if you will - the infamous " Moment " we have all heard so much about and desire to ' stay in '.
This moment, so infinitesimal, so obscure to our comprehension. The word I just typed - is gone to the past, before I finished typing it, the future ones are in my consciousness flowing with no apparent respect for times demands, and the actual moment, still slips beyond finding.
In meditation as deeply as I am able to meditate, at best I can find the moment in the space between the in and out breath, yet even then, observing takes me from times dimensions.
Perhaps time is best resolved not so much in - but as us.

WithIN Love
Darrell

[Ew1g]

 "Time does not exist". It means that our relatives and loved ones are already in the Astral Worlds, aren't they?. Interesting...

[Sethg]

In theory, I can imagine that "time" does not exist, that there is only an "eternal now" by which the human mind must split into past, present and future in order to process the input of experiential stimuli.

However, you have lost me on this thread with, on the one hand, acknowledging that only the "eternal now" exists, and yet on the other hand, you say that the "future" does NOT exist YET. This does not work, logically, and it is not the limitation of the human mind that prevents us from understanding such a claim.

In order for the "eternal now" to be the only reality, then the future MUST already exist as a part of the eternal now. In this case, "eternal" means just that: "eternal"--which includes all that has yet to occur.

Now, that said, the missing element to the claim that all that exists is the "eternal now" is the necessary inclusion of multiverse reality. The future does indeed exist, but only one such future will be experienced by each human mind on earth. All of the other possible "futures" are also manifest, but only in other parallel worlds. 

So, if you want to have an "eternal now" you must, by the nature of it being "eternal", include a "future"; and without parallel worlds within a much greater multiverse, such a claim just won't work.

Finally, one other problem with the "eternal now" in the context of "time not existing" is that the very notion of "NOW" precludes a "point in time."

Perhaps what we have here is simply a semantic problem, BUT--if we can't figure out a way to talk about "it" (whatever the "it" is that is the current victim of such semantic problems) then in all truth, we don't know what we are talking about! 

IMO, we need a serious language overhaul that will enable us to discuss metaphysics properly. Until we do, we are just trying to describe highly subjective visionary insights in a language that is currently limited to, and used within, a strictly objective reality.

But...these things are just my opine!

A a sage opinion it is questioner.

I have said many times that our words do not communicate with integrity. Too much room for misunderstanding. Many of these concepts cannot be expressed in words. The spoken word will phase out as we evolve.

The "now" as you say can can be described as a point in "time" I look at as an experience not a specific point. There ya go more words.

Seems to me that the concept of time being an illusion is that time is not a universal "law" for lack of a better word. Therefore anything that cant be replicated throughout all things is an illusion. Or anything that calls for a subjective judgment is an illusion. It is like all other judgment. who is the judge. It changes with every perspective therefore it is not a constant or "law of the universe"

It doesn't mean it doesn't exist for humans because we have created it to exist in our duality consciousness of up-down, start-finish, beginning-end. It has been a main aspect of life on earth. In a bigger reality there is no end point or beginning point. There is only a circle. That is why with us living on earth this concept of time is very difficult to explain away.

Once we get past the fact that we are eternal and is the universe then trying to make sense of this in words is hmmm

That's why I said to Adrian that he took on a tough one with this concept.

Your comment was extremely "logical" as you say. Maybe logic doesn't work for this one.

Seth