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« on: June 19, 2009, 13:43:04 »

Hello!

Its been about a week since I have posted. I went on a trip to Lake Powell which my friend pretty much had to twist my arm to go. I'm not a huge fan of boating or water sports. But I knew that I needed to get out of my apartment for a few days and that spending some time outdoors would be good for me.
When we were on the lake I never even imagined how beautiful it was down there. We spent most of our time floating in canyons with 1,000 feet red and black cliffs all around us. The scenery was like something out of a dream.
One of the things I thought about while laying there was what I read on disidentifying from all form. How am I supposed to feel about this when there is so much beauty in the world? Where did this beauty come from?... God?  If it does come from God then why go through all the trouble creating this if it doesn't mean anything anyways?
I understand that being human means having a limited understanding but perhaps someone could give me there thoughts on this matter.
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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2009, 15:29:49 »

Hi Nathan, smiley

Nice to see you back in here. Lake Powell in Arizona sounds like a wonderful idea about now. And thank you for the beautiful visuals in describing it.

Lol! I really am not the only one in the forums, just happened to come back inside from mowing in high humidity and am doing it spurts and saw you in here. My yard seems to be growing larger every season. cool


One of the things I thought about while laying there was what I read on disidentifying from all form. How am I supposed to feel about this when there is so much beauty in the world? Where did this beauty come from?... God?  If it does come from God then why go through all the trouble creating this if it doesn't mean anything anyways?
I understand that being human means having a limited understanding but perhaps someone could give me there thoughts on this matter.


I would say by how you just described feeling about it. Taking in the beauty and wonder of it all of the experience.

There is alot said about dis-identifying from all form. Can't say what that means for another so, I'll just jump into the lake with you here and swim around or play water volley ball with you.

The way this makes 'sense' for me is allowing the idea of not attaching myself (remaining detached) to all the 'details' (people, places and things) involved in what I am experiencing so much and while I may feel the wonderful feelings of it, let the wonderful feelings pass through by remaining open to it, unattached. I have to be honest here and say this is an ongoing thing ... it just becomes more familiar as we continue on our way.

Just Being in the full experiencing and sensing of it in the moment and allow it to lead into the next experience to flow in and Be in it too and on and on ... otherwise I can find myself having an I don't want this to ever end thought and set myself up for getting bummed out when the next experience doesn't resemble the one I just had. Or when the experience is over ...

Attaching to things has a tendency to create thoughts of separation in me by making one thing seem different than another and then in trying to keep it separated I begin to say, this is good and this is bad kind of thinking instead of this is an experience I am having and I am InJoying this moment, thank you. Or I am not InJoying this and this is just an experience I am having in this moment, this too shall pass. It's just an experience when you get past all the identifying of these forms.

I begin to 'I' dentify with what I have created... as in ... there is nothing else like this... true in both points or in my honest opinion true in all things, as ~ is ~ LOL!! For some reason that 'thought' strikes me as funny, IT is tickling me in a ... mmm ~

'Lighten Up moment' accept? aka as YES!! or ...

Being attached also carries with it the idea of there being a lack that I won't have another experience of feeling this way in the moment again as in a 'higher' feeling...that one really hit me hard between the eyes in seeing it this way because I was not willing to see it this way for a very long time!! Adolescent children are very helpful in understanding this! rolleyes wink smiley

Being detached or dis-identifying with form is a way of removing the idea of separation which tends to create a sense of pain and suffering by becoming attached to the form. And when the form transforms in its Energy we consider it as a loss by the being removed from it or dis-attachment to it instead of understanding that the Energy form is never lost, just changed in IT's energy form ...

Why do I see it this way? Because I have 'lost' forms I was attached to in my life and going through the pain and suffering led me to find Peace in my life and this is where I am now.

Open to the possibilities by dis-identifying or detaching to life having to be a certain way to have abiding Joy and Peace.

Great to see you in here! Your tan looks great! smiley

Thanks for hangin' out Nathan.

InJoy this day,

Julia smiley
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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2009, 19:33:43 »

Julia-

That makes sense. I read Eckert Tolle's A NEW EARTH which explains it in a similar way. Its not clear however how long there will BE form. Will we always live in houses, have bodies, smell the flowers?

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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2009, 21:01:42 »

Hi Nathan, smiley

Ah Eckert Tolle. I haven't read this one yet but a friend of mine gave me a copy of it on audio to listen to when the season for resting comes around again in late Fall. He uses references from A Course in Miracles which has been a very helpful tool for me in detoxing from a heavily influenced 'how one should think' background or keeping one from thinking for themselves kind of thing.

It suggests in the beginning intro in the Text to not be concerned with grasping or understanding what you are reading, to just let the thoughts pass through ... a beginning process of letting go and removing the 'runaway' mind that wants to continue to keep things separated and by the process of unlearning this tendency of creating a problem which then creates a need or want to fix it or to find an answer to the created problem kind of thinking ... keeping one in a mind swim.

Julia-

That makes sense. I read Eckert Tolle's A NEW EARTH which explains it in a similar way. Its not clear however how long there will BE form. Will we always live in houses, have bodies, smell the flowers?
Nathan


It isn't clear and I feel this is intentional by a Higher Intelligence because of observing what happens to ones who so deeply buy into the belief of living by time constraints and/or the calendar. This as I see it is what tends to keep us 'stuck' or slaves in time and not so much in the living by being focused in Being here now in the present moment. We can easily get stuck by living in the past (what could have or should have) or constantly thinking about the future (what if's) and not I Am, It Is now. Just another example of choosing to view the world through polarities or a dual mind instead of taking no sides and remaining in the center ...

Anything is possible. I personally think it will be something one can choose to do or not and if one did choose to, it would not be because they need to but just because they feel like doing it. A we can do anything kind of thing. hmmm... sounds like what we are practicing here in this reality now! I do believe with certainty that we will know the moment as we have the ability now and until then, when we choose to know, we can live in houses, have bodies and smell the flowers now...

InJoy this evening Nathan,

Love in Spirit,

Julia smiley
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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2009, 05:17:30 »

Another way of expressing this idea;

"Happiness requires that we give up a worldly orientation---not worldly things, but a worldly attachment to things. We have to surrender all outcomes. We have to live here but appreciate the joke."

'A Year of Daily Wisdom' by Marianne Williamson

Today's calendar reading, I InJoy sharing synchronicity.

InJoy this day All,

Love in Spirit,

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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2009, 14:42:02 »

Julia-

I like that, thank you. I have been meaning to respond to your post before last about people living with time constraints.
I understand that time is only an illusion, but the fact that we are all on a path of progression back to the First Cause makes me think that the illusion of time isn't 100% lifted until we reach perfection. Does that make sense? Its almost as if the illusion of time is necessary as long as there are improvements to be made.

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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2009, 18:45:36 »

Julia-

I like that, thank you. I have been meaning to respond to your post before last about people living with time constraints.
I understand that time is only an illusion, but the fact that we are all on a path of progression back to the First Cause makes me think that the illusion of time isn't 100% lifted until we reach perfection. Does that make sense? Its almost as if the illusion of time is necessary as long as there are improvements to be made.

Nathan
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Beautiful flow of energies here. So we create an illusion to accommodate the drama of experiences desired. Make it in such fashion that one can easily forget 'Home' and now create a 'hell on earth' to fully round out the illusion.
Back to the palette now, need to paint in some new scenes.
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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2009, 20:01:40 »

Talker and All-

Forgive me but I am a little confused. So do we or does God create the illusion of time? I know that we are all one, but it seems that God has more or less provided means for us to improve as intelligences. Also, after we die, is the illusion of time lifted until we enter a physical body again? If that were the case wouldn't it seem as if we had already reached our goal as a perfected intelligence once the illusion of time was lifted? Am I making any sense here? lol

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« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2009, 20:53:57 »

Talker and All-

Forgive me but I am a little confused. So do we or does God create the illusion of time? I know that we are all one, but it seems that God has more or less provided means for us to improve as intelligences. Also, after we die, is the illusion of time lifted until we enter a physical body again? If that were the case wouldn't it seem as if we had already reached our goal as a perfected intelligence once the illusion of time was lifted? Am I making any sense here? lol

Nathan

Golly Nathan, you are going to get even more questions out of what I say here.
We all are, and as I will call us,  "WeGods' are part and parcel of everything. As Jesus had stated, 'I and the Father are one'. So that makes us, almost humorously, WeGods. Once out of the physical, there still lingers that illusion of time while in the astral planes. This applies to what I'll term 'inbound' (heading home) after one dies and leaves the physical world. There will be in every sense of the word some illusion remaining while in that astral level, until 'all illusion' is worked away, IF it was not removed prior to passing over. The degree of (word descriptions does get in the way here) understanding or enlightenment attained WHILE still in the physical, will determine the astral level one will continue from, and there are many. Some what like sandpaper grit, going from a grit of very course, all the way to extra super fine. Same with the astral plains. If there still are some rough spots remaining, one continues to gain understanding or enlightenment, until (in the new illusion) it gets worked or sanded to a finer degree. At which point, to all appearances, we either die again or just awaken at another higher so to speak, and keep doing this, until finally reaching Home.  At this stage, a rest just for the heck of it may take place, or like an adventuress kid, start an outbound (headed back to the physical or other places) new series of experiences.
WeGods, (LOL) write the basic script. It's our adventure, just the way we want to experience it all, with of course,  great interplay with our huge spiritual family group. This huge script writing drama can encompass whole nations.
Now, lets put in some perspective here. If I'm wrong in what I say here, IT IS WHAT I WILL EXPERIENCE UPON PASSING, DUE TO MY BELIEFS, until further illusionary beliefs were corrected, and then up another level, and so on.
Should perhaps put this into 'Rhetorical Rambling or Normal Insanity! ' here in the forum.
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« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2009, 22:36:54 »

Hi Nathan, Talker and All, smiley

Just popping in and adding to this wonderful mix.

Julia-

I like that, thank you. I have been meaning to respond to your post before last about people living with time constraints.
I understand that time is only an illusion, but the fact that we are all on a path of progression back to the First Cause makes me think that the illusion of time isn't 100% lifted until we reach perfection. Does that make sense? Its almost as if the illusion of time is necessary as long as there are improvements to be made.

Nathan

Your thoughts do make sense Nathan. I'm just sharing here. Time has a beginning and an end or we wouldn't say an hour or a day could end or a week, month or a year. This has been helpful for me to view time as being part of an illusion.

That which is eternal was never born. So how can IT have a beginning or an end... anything I can see that is ending or beginning is now recognized as an illusion which is what I mean when I am sharing I am not this body. Ex. Because this body had a beginning yet to end but this is in the mix if my body had a beginning. It's my vehicle of communication here with all other vehicles of communication.

Time is a useful tool for experiencing ourself within our experiences here as is our bodies for experiencing in this beginning and ending 'world'.

It is interesting to see the different points of view on the Astrals...I am recalling in this moment reading back in the Bible days of where Jesus went in between the crucifixion and the resurrection (Atonement) of his body and it said he descended into what was called Hades (not hell) where the Spirits of the physically 'dead' were waiting to be released back into the Presence of the Eternal One. And he set them free to be Present. It also said that after his resurection that ones who did not believe  (know yet) were sent to Hades and from there on those who did believe (know) went straight into the Eternal Presence. The Astral plains have a similar vibe for me in this way. Honestly, my vibe is more based on a Direct In as in 'returning' into my Eternal Presence of no beginnings, no barriers, no more illusions. Just InJoying the Pure Being of Being once removed from the illusions.

Just tossing one idea into the mix. I shared this here to say that this is allowing for me the idea that we no longer have to keep going through these levels of experiences to 'get there' and are able to step fully into our unlimited eternal self by the undoing of the idea of the illusion being real. We are free to continue to experience fully in our Eternal Being the wonders of All that Is... A Direct Connection ...

We get 'glimpses' of this sensing here. Time allowing us to have more glimpses in this illusion or 'reality'... and then...

I know not all believe this way and my view is so what? LOL! Doesn't take away from the InJoyment of another's point of view being considered and open to the sharing. This ain't the gospel folks!! cheesy cool wink

Love to you All,

InJoy the experience of this night,

Sweet dreams,

Julia smiley
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« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2009, 12:08:13 »

Hi Everyone,

I'm being brought back into a thought I shared earlier in this thread...a speaking out loud to myself moment and multiplying on this idea here...editing


It is interesting to see the different points of view on the Astrals...I am recalling in this moment reading back in the Bible days of where Jesus went in between the crucifixion and the resurrection (Atonement) of his body, mind, soul and spirit, and it said he descended into what was called Hades (not hell) where the Spirits of the physically 'dead' were waiting to be released back into the Presence of the Eternal One. And he set all of 'them' free to be Present. (He changed his mind). No longer them but all of oneself united, and the end of the illusion of separation also known as death. Because death is only real in an illusion which has a beginning and an end...

It also said that after his resurrection that the ones who did not believe (know yet or undecided in the mind) were sent to Hades (not hell) and from there on those who did believe (know, decided to change the mind) went straight into the Eternal Presence. The Astral plains have a similar vibe for me in this way. Honestly, my vibe is more based on a Direct In as in 'returning' into Eternal Presence of no beginnings, no barriers, no more illusions. Just InJoying Pure Being of Being One Being once I remove my perspective from the separation idea of illusions. Change my mind from keeping the illusion alive as in my being separate from Source, which we can see is not possible. That which is eternal is not born. He was revealing this to all. We cannot be separate from our Eternal Being and this was realized in the experience of 'death' to his illusion.

Just tossing one idea into the mix. I shared this here to say that this is allowing for me the idea that we no longer have to keep going through these levels of experiences to 'get there' or be here now and are able to step fully into our unlimited eternal self by the undoing of the idea of the illusion being real. We are free to continue to experience fully in our Eternal Being the wonders of All that Is... A Direct Connection ...


What my intention here in sharing this is relating to having all our experiences in our mind and projecting it outwardly. Knowing or not knowing yet. Knowing is One Minded, not knowing is separating ourself out into many many 'others'. Believing more in the multitude of projections of being separate from ourself, of the mind to remain 'outside' the realization that no thing or as Atici shared not a thing is separate from us or is separating us from ourself except our mind.

The Astrals for me, are a place 'set up' in my mind to go when my mind still 'needs' to work on my decision to know (make up my mind), and I can choose to remain in the ongoing experience to not know. When I decide in the moment to know, IT becomes clear...

I can in a sense 'die' before dying...

What I shared about the in between of where Jesus went is viewed from my seeing, a metaphor of Hades being the center of the earth.  Where our Mind is. In us the center of our earth is our Inner Sanctuary, our Mind. The earth is our vessel or temple which contains the Holy of Holies, The Presence of 'GOD' in us...

Just musing out loud to myself here...

InJoy this day all,

Love in Spirit,

Julia
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« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2009, 10:07:11 »

I am blessed to receive wonderful newsletters that have synchronistic messages contained within, Adrian's is no exception. This one is from Take Me to the Truth, and I am sharing an article in which a contributing author expresses so well what it means by 'I am not my body.' The message of what forgiveness means outside of what collective consciousness has deeply ingrained and twisted...

I really do understand that we like things in quick and easy to chew, bite size pieces, yet when Spirit is flowing, it has no concept of time, truly, ITs message is timeless in delivery ~

So, I offer this to all and for those who 'feel' so inclined, take what speaks to you and leave the rest.

May it bless the hearers.

Love in Spirit,

Julia



 Linda Jean McNabb's new book One Again is based on her own story about a different kind of forgiveness...
 
Forgiveness Releases the Suffering of the Past and Opens a Door to a Life You Will Love
by Linda Jean McNabb

Have you ever felt like you were living the same day over and over? Have you ever felt like you were in the same dead end relationship with the same person, (except with a different name and face) over and over? Have you ever felt like you were going from one dead end job to another? If you can say yes to some or all of these questions, then you are like most people on this planet. I was also living this life, for decades. It nearly did me in. I used drugs, sex, and rock'n'roll to escape from the drudgery, pain, and bleakness of it all. Until I couldn't anymore. Until I reached a cross-roads of, change or die.

Oh yes, I tried everything, all the formulas, all the exercises, all the recipes for success. None of them worked to give me permanent and lasting change in my life. Even if things temporarily improved outwardly, it would always fall apart, leaving me back at square one, feeling alone, angry, and hopeless. I observed that my life-long patterns of lack, guilt, shame, and depression (many times suicidal) kept surfacing and nothing I did out in the world changed that. It felt like I'd been banging my head against a wall for twenty years, with the bleeding and bruising on the inside.
 
At the age of forty-four and after what felt like the millionth failed attempt at a life, career and relationship, I got down on my knees and cried out to God that if there was a way to experience Heaven on Earth, I needed to know because I wasn't willing to go on as I had. I hadn't come here to live a mediocre life of struggle and pain. I came here to, at the very least, be happy. To simply be happy, that is all I'd ever wanted since I was a small girl.
 
My childhood was riddled with traumatic, life changing events. At the crux of my angst was a gang-rape at the age of thirteen, which was never reported, followed by the death of my younger brother. I'd begun substance abuse by age twelve, which led to an adulthood of alcoholism, promiscuity, poverty, homelessness, and even a small stint into prostitution. At age twenty-nine I was first introduced to the world of spiritual teachings through Shirley MacLaine's movie Out on a Limb, and began the long climb out of the hole I was in. Eventually my addictions fell away, one by-one. But still there was darkness from my past that lived and breathed inside of me. It had been there so long, it felt normal. I really didn't know life without that inner darkness, but hoped there was something else. I felt like I'd been fighting against it my whole life. Fortunately there was always a part of me that would never let me give-up.
We've been crying out and yearning for unity our entire lives.

The only thing that will ever satisfy us is the magnificence of unity.

The night I went to bed after asking to be shown a way to Heaven on Earth at age forty-four, I went to sleep and then, "awoke" into a state of total oneness. The next morning I was guided to begin writing and to move to Southern California. I didn't want to give up everything and start over again, like I had so many times already. I was told by my inner voice that if I did this, when I came out the other side of it, I'd never want for anything ever again. So I did.

Fast-forward to about two years ago when a book by bestselling author, Gary Renard, The Disappearance of the Universe, was placed into my hands. It spoke of a different kind of forgiveness. I also stumbled across and read his second book, Your Immortal Reality, which taught accelerated forgiveness techniques. I began practicing this different kind of forgiveness. I began to feel different. Out of that I was inspired and guided to write a book of my life and began forgiving the past. During this process I observed that as I transformed the relationship within me, the most tumultuous relationships of my life also transformed, automatically. The darkness within me, which had been unconsciously ruling my life left. I literally felt it leave as I awakened spiritually. And this was just the beginning.

It was the daily practice of forgiveness and an understanding of the teachings behind the practice that made it work for real and permanent change in my life. And this is not the old fashioned kind of forgiveness where you say, "You are wrong, but I'll forgive you anyhow." That is not true forgiveness. True forgiveness teaches that we are innocent immortal spirit, and therefore can't be damaged or destroyed. And if we are innocent immortal spirit, then so is everyone else. It also means that we are not this body. I was finally liberated from my suffering and the darkness of the past by realizing this and deciding to no longer be defined by what had happened to my body.

We cannot actually be separate from each other and God, but we can imagine we are. This world, including our bodies, is an illusion of that imagining. Forgiveness is not condoning the damaging behavior of others. We forgive for our own sake, to release us from the false thought of separation, from which we all suffer, through various forms. Forgiveness works for the big things as well as the little things. Anything that disturbs our peace in the slightest way is a symbol of the imagined separation and warrants forgiveness that is if unity and inner peace is your goal. Any degree of separation is still separation.

We spend our lives judging what is right, what is wrong, what is good, what is bad, and then act accordingly. Our peace is constantly disturbed by the belief that we are a body that has problems and needs things. True forgiveness releases us from the false thoughts of separation. We have the divided mind that thinks it is separate from everything, and we have the unified mind that knows we are all one. It looks like we have millions of choices each moment, but really only have two, the divided mind or unified mind. When we choose to be in the divided mind we suffer endlessly. When we choose to be in the unified mind we see that because we are not bodies, we need nothing and there are no problems. When we come from this high place of unity, we end our suffering and the needs and problems take care of themselves easily and effortlessly, through wisdom.
 
While it is true that in ultimate reality there is nothing to forgive because it is perfect unity, within this illusion it works to awaken us from this dream. If the divided mind is like an onion, layers of false thoughts of separation, we will eventually undo or peel away all the layers until there is nothing standing between us and our total awareness of our perfect unity. And much like we awaken from a dream we have while sleeping in our beds at night, and see that we have never left the safety of our rooms, we will eventually awaken from this dream and see that we've never actually left the safety of unity's perfect love.
 
As we end our own suffering and awaken to what we truly are, we become living examples of truth and from that we become catalysts, changing everything in its path. I'm now living a life that I previously thought was impossible. Where I once built my life on the uncertainty of the unstable sand dunes of this illusion, which easily crumbled away, I now build my life upon the solid rock of perfect peace and unified mind. I look at life and say, "This is not a problem," and proceed from there. From that place there is no suffering, regardless of what is happening in the world. From that place I act only from a place of high wisdom, or not at all. If I can end my own suffering and live a life I love, then so can others.
 
It is through the forgiveness of life's greatest difficulties, that we are given the opportunity for our greatest spiritual awakenings and life.
 
Footnote: To learn more about Linda and true forgiveness, to view scheduled appearances, or to book an appearance please visit her website at, www.lindamcnabb.com Her book, 'One Again: A True Story of a Different Kind of Forgiveness,' is about her incredible journey to forgiveness and is now available on her website.
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« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2009, 10:44:17 »

Yes...this is shorter than the one before. rolleyes But it doesn't take away its emphasis on its Divinely timeless message...

Another way of saying we are IN this world and not 'Of' this world...

Passing it around the table ~

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 July 03, 2009
Confusion of Levels
 
 
             You don't give up what in the world is considered common sense when you become a student of A Course in Miracles. You don't throw out what a lifetime of living in the world has taught you about it. The laws of the world hold for the world; the laws of God hold for God. (As the Bible puts it, "Render under Caesar what belongs to Caesar; render unto God what belongs to God").

Trying to cross those laws over into each other is what the Course calls "confusion of levels", meaning you are confusing the mutually exclusive levels of your mind: God and the personal mind. For example, some students think that since your mind is One in God that you are supposed to change the social and political structure of the world-level of your mind to reflect this Oneness. This is not only unnecessary, since the world is an effect of your mind and changing it is meaningless, but also impossible. Diverse form cannot be One; that is why the world and God are mutually exclusive.

            In the world, trust in others must be developed and justified over time, but every now and then I run across a student who interprets the passages in the Course about "trusting your brother" to mean that they should automatically trust everyone they meet. Those passages were very specific to Helen Schucman and Bill Thetford, who were in a reciprocal Holy relationship. The Holy Spirit was with them in their relationship and knew what was in each of their minds. It knew where and when they could trust each other.

The lesson in this for the rest of us is that we can trust the Holy Spirit in our relationships with others, not that we should automatically trust everyone we meet. You are justified in trusting Truth and Its guidance, but trusting in illusions is foolish. Your trust belongs to the God level of your mind, not to the personal mind and what it perceives.
           
           When the Course points out the thought systems of your seemingly split mind, it is simply stating how they work so that you can sort them out from each other and make a real choice between them. It is not saying that you should try to make the personal mind like God. For example, the Course points out that the personal mind is possessive; it's all about ownership for the personal mind.

Some students think that the Course is telling them to give up their possessions. This is confusing the levels of their mind because in the world (form) possession is necessary for survival. Even at the barest minimum you possess a body. Possession means nothing to the Holy Spirit, however, because Its awareness of What It is (and therefore has) is increased by Its extending It, or giving It, since It is Boundless, Formless Being. The laws of Boundless Being cannot be applied to limited form.

The awareness that you are truly Boundless Being, however, will lead you to not be attached to possessions in the world in the recognition that they are temporary because they serve you only in time. Changing which level of your mind with which you perceive the world will change how you see the world but it will not make the world more God-like.

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« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2009, 16:36:52 »

I love what is called in music or singing, rondelets, such as 'Row Row Your Boat' everyone chimes in at a certain point allowing the song to be sung in an ongoing harmonious fashion...

So, I am in expressing this idea, rondeleting this thought which seems to harmonize with the idea being presented in this wonderful post begun by Nathan. Namaste Nathan!! Happy Freedom experience is my well greetings for you and all ~

http://www.ourultimatereality.com/forums/relationships-and-spirituality-t844.0.html;msg10049#msg10049

My adding to the 'pot luck' dinner we are all sharing together in.

Love you All ~

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« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2009, 14:21:39 »

I felt this would be the appropriate place to post this...

In Light of yesterday's sharing of excerpts from John Randolph Price's book on The Angel of Discernment.

When we detach from appearances, we are able to refocus and get to the heart of the matter of whatever we think is 'ailing' us or alienating (separating) us from that 'Something' we know is here and yet still seems so out of reach.

"But the LORD told Samuel, "Don't look at his appearance or how tall he is, because I have rejected him. God does not see as humans see. Humans look at outward appearances, but the LORD looks into the heart." 1 Samuel 16:7

This is taken from the story of David becoming the King of a Nation. Samuel was looking at his elder brother who was by all appearances, all that. And GOD said, I have other plans for this one and King is not it. So, David being the youngest was sent out to tend to the sheep so as not to be seen by Samuel. Sounds kinda like a masculine version of Cinderella or Snow White. Obviously nothing is hidden that will not be revealed. David became King.

So, what does this have to do with dis-identifying from all form?

Man or Humans are so focused on appearances or effects. Ideas leave not their source means, ideas are the thoughts or effects which are revealing the source or cause of the effects. GOD dwells, inhabits the Causal realm. This does not mean that God does not see the effects, the effects are meaningless to GOD because of the universal karmic principle set up in this third dimensional plane. We cannot change the curriculum. It is what it is. Beyond this third dimensional plane is the Eternal abode of GOD and this is what I share to focus on because this is what was shared with me and it has taken me quite awhile to wrap my understanding around this. However, it does begin to make alot more sense and is very freeing.

It releases anger and frustration and turns it around into being willing to share this with all participating in this illusive three d world. A saying, Pssst!! This isn't the real world, it's here in the midst of it.

When we see 'others' acting like they believe in all this, all this does now is show one that one is still asleep and forgetting whom they are in GOD's eyes. Truth. So, this allows for compassion (not in feeling sorry for another which reinforces their current state) but in understanding where they are at and seeing them for whom they truly are before they see it themself. This compassion flows into tolerance of all and of course is caused by LOVE.

This results in experiencing a Peace that is undefinable. Tolerance goes very far in living in Peace and Love.

I have shared about the issue of vegans, vegetarians and meat eaters before. What I am truly saying is this;

There are those in this reality whom believe if you are overweight, you cannot possibly be in the Will of God. Truth. They separate those who are not slender and consider them you know, while not outwardly expressed, it sdoes show up (is revealed) as in you must change yourself to be acceptable or desirable. Just view the effects of this world by observing all the ads for losing weight through a fad diet, pills or surgery. The same can be said about those who smoke, drink, drug, sex, and eat meat, work too much, etc. It is called obsessing over things.

So now we have quite a bit of separation going on here. And in order to find relief and acceptance one does a mind swim to justify their postion. Has anyone here ever entertained the idea of 'thank god I don't have that problem! I can't imagine doing that?' People who overeat are unhealthy, and to justify one's worth the overeater says, people who smoke are unhealthy and to justify one's worth the smoker says people who drink are unhealthy all the way around until we reach the vegans who say, people who eat meat are unhealty. . .

Different ways of saying or thinking it yet all together in Unity, All are saying the same thing. And this is how this chick's quirky mind works. As I have shared, where does it all end? The illusion that is. The illusion is going to end my friends. It has to by Principle. We cannot change the curriculum, we can take as much time to get this as we 'need'. Just depends on how fast you want to get it.

So, once seeing through this and now relaxing into the arms of an Eternal GOD of ALL who has never seen us as unworthy or separate from It Self there is nothing to forgive. There is not a thing barriering or blocking the LOVE we come from, just a false belief. And belief can  be changed.

I read years ago that their is a block of resistance between the conscious, subconscious and superconscious mind. And the article stated that it is very very difficult to unblock it. Well, being a pollyanna, I turned to GOD, or Holy Spirit and asked to be assisted in unblocking these barriers. And all the unblocking has taken this one awhile because I get easily distracted in moments. ADHD perhaps? But consistent focus on the Causal realm will undo the blocks as was shared in yesterday's articles.

Check your Belief system and stay in there and do maintenance by regular checking in with your Holy Friend.

The world now becomes an amusement park if you will. And you get to experience it in JOY and PEACE and LOVE because you have Spiritual understanding that is United with Unconditional Love. You honestly cannot have Unconditional Love without Spiritual Understanding.

May our eyes be opened to this TRUTH and may this bless the hearers and set us all Free, retracing our steps to THE ONE whom we all come from. Seeing through the illusion now we can see the TRUTH that we are all ideas (effects) of Source (Cause).

Ideas leave not their Source.

Which one would you leave out? Like a parent having to choose between their children, who lives, who doesn't? In the truest sense of the idea, not this world's idea. . .

Love in Divine Spirit,

InJoy this day All,

Julia


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