dis astral project is hard

[Goonie]

because of wat baki and wavepsychic said i hav been tryin to lern this astral project but it is too difficult to pull off. i always keep fallin asleep or just end up daydreaming.

also, is baki righ? is it true that u can use the astral planes to effect physical reality? I was thinkin of creating a super astral gym where I can gain super strength. will this manifest physically.

any tips on this astral thing will be appreciated pleez, thank u..

[Forrest Dean]

Hi Goonie,

Actually the astral or inter realms constantly affects physical reality.  Physical reality is a reflection of the inter realms.  Everything that exists within our physical experiential reality originated from Source Mind until eventually manifesting into our physical reality.  Everything that exists and will exist in the physical already exists within the Universal Mind.  All exists now.  Everything that manifests into our physical experiential reality starts out as an idea, a dream, an imagination, a thought form, which all exists in the nonphysical.

As far as astral projection is concerned I definitely recommend not giving up.  Three very important methods for achieving a successful projection experience is practice, patience, and perseverance.  The most important method above anything else to having successful projections, as well as other latent abilities, is raising your vibration through spiritual development which includes maintaining a focus on the ever present moment of Now while always keeping a positive attitude no matter what situation, whether perceived as negative or positive, manifests into your reality by focusing on peace, joy, happiness, and Unconditional Love.  There are 2 other very important methods for spiritual development and having effective projection experiences, and this is transcending the Ego and beliefs.  Beliefs will definitely affect the type of projection you will experience.  The ability to abandon any and all beliefs is critical to having extremely blissful, exciting, and wonderful projection experiences.  Beliefs act as filters and can limit the projection experience.

[evilpsychic]

Very well said Kai.

Don't give up just keep on trying until you do it.

[xxxLOGICxxx]

I personally hate astral projecting, i suggest first truly know why you want to astral project. then go about it if you really want to.

one definite way to do it is to -------------


the next time you are genuinely tired/very fatigued/sleepy,

watch tv. (preferably something interesting but not too stimulating. For example an episode of something you somewhat like, but have already seen)

don't focus on it but just "watch it". You should be so tired that astral projecting, the internet, and most other things don't really matter, you are simply

very tired and looking at what's on tv

Key Points:

you will reach a state of "i'm watching tv and I am so tired i will keep my eyes open still watching"

you will daydream about thoughts you have, and then regain a consciousness of whats on tv somewhat

then you become so relaxed your body just falls asleep. you will be somewhat wrapped into your thoughts (dreams) but you're brain will still remember

the fact that you wanted to stay awake, so you will feel or maybe even hear violent "vibrations/buzzings". Then from there you are supose to

try to remain calm. However do to the factors at hand during your situation, you will know whats best to do(if you get frightened you will just wake up like

nothing even happened, unfortunately you'll still remember).

[evilpsychic]

To LOGIC

That is a really good idea. I will have to try that. I hope you've done this before. I have a little bit of a problem with people passing off ideas as something that really works.

Goonie I have something to add. I used Affirmations to get the buzzing/vibrations. I couldn't Astral Project but I got close. When you are very tired say to yourself "I now travel out of body".

Get a video with a guy in it that has the chest you want and watch that when you are very tired.

Peace

[Praveen]

On this forums sister forum, (astralpulse) I found a link to this amazing series of videos about OBE's and
Astral Projection. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgJOMqIhvHM&feature=PlayList&p=E3E88DE0B45599E3&index=0

I really like it and he has a lot of good information and ideas on having OBE's I think you should definitely take a
look at it, he has some great methods and lots of good advice, it made sense to me.

One thing he says is that trying to astral project at night is one of the worst things to do. Apparently its much
easier around 4AM or in the morning. Also when you get vibrations he says don't try to project, but instead relax
through the vibrations till it becomes calm again and then you will be able to project.

[xxxLOGICxxx]

To LOGIC

That is a really good idea. I will have to try that. I hope you've done this before. I have a little bit of a problem with people passing off ideas as something that really works.

Goonie I have something to add. I used Affirmations to get the buzzing/vibrations. I couldn't Astral Project but I got close. When you are very tired say to yourself "I now travel out of body".

Get a video with a guy in it that has the chest you want and watch that when you are very tired.

Peace

I've done it before not on purpose lol, but because i realized going to sleep with the tv on takes my mind off of bad thoughts, or important thoughts that

may excite my consciousness (what i will do tomorrow, or reminiscing on exciting experiences that happened during the day).

Every time i was about to astral project, or did.  You have to genuinely be tired though for the method to work. The way it worked was I was so tired

and relaxed that my body realized i wanted to sleep, so it did, but my mind "knew" i wanted relaxation and tv. You become so relaxed due to already being

tired that your mind "splits" from your "sleeping" body to still exist as "not sleeping". before it does completely you'll feel like someone "plugged you in"

somewhere, as in a crazy buzzing in your ears and violent raw energy in your body. You'll also notice you can no longer talk or move your body and

hear only your own "voice" in your head(for a short time) until you can and you have "woken up", which in fact won't feel like waking up but just being

back in reality-moving your limbs and such. When you regain normal consciousness you can just pass it off as a meaningless experience if it wasn't a good

one and try again if you want.

[xxxLOGICxxx]

On this forums sister forum, (astralpulse) I found a link to this amazing series of videos about OBE's and
Astral Projection. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgJOMqIhvHM&feature=PlayList&p=E3E88DE0B45599E3&index=0

I really like it and he has a lot of good information and ideas on having OBE's I think you should definitely take a
look at it, he has some great methods and lots of good advice, it made sense to me.

One thing he says is that trying to astral project at night is one of the worst things to do. Apparently its much
easier around 4AM or in the morning. Also when you get vibrations he says don't try to project, but instead relax
through the vibrations till it becomes calm again and then you will be able to project.

That's ironic.  It's usually happened to me at like 2 - 6 in the morning.

[evilpsychic]

Dear Logic,

I tried that last night and it was like 5 o clock in the morning. It didn't work. Being very tied isn't comfortable for me. But I have a video that has my ideal image in it so I'll try it again tonight.

Also when you get vibrations he says don't try to project, but instead relax
through the vibrations till it becomes calm again and then you will be able to project.

When I get the Vibrations I tried to project & my body got tensed. So that is a problem for me.

[Xbalanque]

Many years ago I read about a Zen master who said that it is true that one can alter this reality. He also said that one can do all sorts of miracles if one seeks to master these techniques.

And yet he said that none of these things can compare with enlightenment and that they were in fact all a huge waste of time and effort. He also said that enlightenment is not beyond your reach anymore than these things.

There have been times when I dabbled in channeling (with some very interesting effects) and other things, only to recall this Zen master and what he said, then stopped.

And I now know for certain that he was right. Dabbling in these things or even mastering these things is no more important than mastering a dream. To be sure it's interesting, but ultimately a huge waste of effort when you realize that it's all make-believe anyway.

 

because of wat baki and wavepsychic said i hav been tryin to lern this astral project but it is too difficult to pull off. i always keep fallin asleep or just end up daydreaming.

also, is baki righ? is it true that u can use the astral planes to effect physical reality? I was thinkin of creating a super astral gym where I can gain super strength. will this manifest physically.

any tips on this astral thing will be appreciated pleez, thank u..

[evilpsychic]

Dear Xbal,

Perhaps I'll need these Miricals before I can see the importance of Enlightenment. How would this Zen Master know that these things are possible if he couldn't do them first. Do not be so hasty to end your journey of individuality. Enlightenment is inevitable. You're wisdom is wasted on me for I can not return to the Source while the desire of wearing my ideal body is within me. The Source shall just have to wait for me for I am not yet ready.

On a side not I was practicing the AP methods in the video Prav posted. I felt the Vibrations a few times but still I didn't project. I turned over on my side and half awoke. I felt a crushing energy on my skull and all I could think was "This would be the perfect time to project my ideal image" but I still look the same. My mind must not have been sharp enough.

[Xbalanque]

Good points - and I have to say that I am not completely saying that what you're doing is a waste of time. For one, a person needs to be convinced that enlightenment even exists in the first place and these types of things (AP, etc) can help with that.

What this Zen master said always stuck with me - and in some way I knew it was true but my reasoning mind wasn't completely convinced. Ultimately, I think it's worth hearing even if it's not believed yet.

Dear Xbal,

Perhaps I'll need these Miricals before I can see the importance of Enlightenment. How would this Zen Master know that these things are possible if he couldn't do them first. Do not be so hasty to end your journey of individuality. Enlightenment is inevitable. You're wisdom is wasted on me for I can not return to the Source while the desire of wearing my ideal body is within me. The Source shall just have to wait for me for I am not yet ready.

On a side not I was practicing the AP methods in the video Prav posted. I felt the Vibrations a few times but still I didn't project. I turned over on my side and half awoke. I felt a crushing energy on my skull and all I could think was "This would be the perfect time to project my ideal image" but I still look the same. My mind must not have been sharp enough.

[evilpsychic]

I am sure Enlightenment is the best thing ever but please understand it is also the last thing we shall ever do so in the mean time I want to enjoy the journey of Enlightenment. Besides it is not a destination that one can achieve through shortcuts.

Thank you nonetheless for reminding us how great Enlightenment is. We always have something to look forward to then.

In Peace & Love

Louis

[Mina-Laura]

Dear Louis, and All,

Reading briefly through this discussion I had to pause at the word "Enlightenment". After all this time and still am not certain what it really means.. lol...

So... started reading about it  - in mild state of indifference and curious about the ruckus about it.

What is Enlightenment anyway?

So I found a few definitions - we have to keep in mind that for each and every one of us the world and states, and ideas etc.. is what we make of it therefore for everybody can be something different.

The definitions which are very wise and so on are here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightenment_(concept)

However this one phrase struck me:

There are some thinkers such as U. G. Krishnamurti, who refute any existence of the very concept of enlightenment (despite being considered enlightened by his followers).

I believe Adrian tels the same story in his own unique way... and ... there really are times when sun is shining, flowers emanate that blissful scent, everything is fresh and green and people just enjoy life... and at times as such honestly .. is just the bliss of being the creation. That is a moment. And as such are all moments. To me that is enlightenment.
Like Julia is telling all the time "just be!". ..
Louis you enjoy the journey? to me that is enlightenment. The moment you stop and look at others and judge and feel judged enlightenment enters in a shadow.



love

[xxxLOGICxxx]

Dear Logic,

I tried that last night and it was like 5 o clock in the morning. It didn't work. Being very tied isn't comfortable for me. But I have a video that has my ideal image in it so I'll try it again tonight.

Also when you get vibrations he says don't try to project, but instead relax
through the vibrations till it becomes calm again and then you will be able to project.

When I get the Vibrations I tried to project & my body got tensed. So that is a problem for me.

me personally i didn't go to sleep looking to project or anything, i just accepted a peaceful tiredness oblivious to what time it was (i looked at the clock a little whiles before i laid down)and remained conscious as i went to sleep (as paradoxical as it sounds). I wasn't completely worn out, just tired like when you get that feeling, "i'm kinda tired, i think i'm going to go to sleep or take a nice nap" not "man i'm exhausted, time to hit the hay". You know you'll fall asleep any second but you keep looking anyways. 

I suggest you just try your own way to astral project, because the given circumstances and directions may be overly stimulating (remembering what to do and then remembering the results), and the factors that your brain may work differently than my own & our settings may be different (You might have a large tv, etc). I suggest to you to just stop doubting it will happen and try subtle ways to make it happen by experimenting different methods.