Definitions of Meanings, Speaking in Spiritual Language

[juliainkc]

Namaste All ~

I wish to say that alot of the definitons of language would in my honest opinion be best expressed in a Universal Symbolic way.

Oh well, To Dream...

My next definition open for inter pre tation. All are included. Share your Voice here.

JUMP!!

What comes to mind is Duality


Speak or forever hold your Peace (piece) 

[juliainkc]

Definitions are interesting. Just a way to allow others to share their aha's and not so much how a word is defined by mere words.

My intention was to see what the Heart was expressing when one heard the 'word' of ....

So in Silence, duality came up and I had the impression of this;

What is duality? A secret or hidden thought. A hiding something from Oneself. Turning away One's eyes, ears, heart from Love of Ones Whole Self. Running from Love.

Having no duality is having no secret or hidden thoughts. Being open and bare, naked before Oneself. Turning around and facing Love, looking straight into the eyes of Love, listening and sensing Love's Presence. Innocence and the wonder of IT All. Standing in Love's Presence and not running away.

Just sharing with Love ~

[Leila]

Oh, wow, Julia!

A hiding something from Oneself. Turning away One's eyes, ears, heart from Love of Ones Whole Self. Running from Love.

Being open and bare, naked before Oneself. Turning around and facing Love, looking straight into the eyes of Love, listening and sensing Love's Presence. Innocence and the wonder of IT All. Standing in Love's Presence and not running away.

Just sharing with Love ~

Beautiful, wonderful, amazing, superb, marvellous!!!!! LOVE IT!!!

Most touching words ever heard!!!
Thanks, Julia, for this marvel!
Deep admiration,
Leila

[juliainkc]

Namaste Leila,

Speaking of symbols, a quote from my book on Mandela's open for consideration in regards to symbols:


"The entire journey in God is a journey in symbols, in which one is constantly aware of the higher realities within things.

Symbols are vehicles of transmission of Divine realities, which transform us by carrying us to the higher states of being from which they originate."

~ Laleh Bakhtiar, Sufi expressions of the Mystic Quest

[juliainkc]

Idea presented to be considered;

Learn has no thing to do with earn

Hmmm...

[Larry]

I'll give you my answer under one condition.  love,Larry

[Freedom]

Duality is just opposites, no? Heat-cold, love-hate, conscious -subconscious, aware - shadowside....
I dont have an answer     


"Learn has no thing to do with earn"  Hmmm...

Is it that L stands for love , and we don't have to 'earn' love?

Wow, are these trick questions? 

Please answer without any conditions 

Love ~ light   

[Mina-Laura]

Namaste Leila,

Speaking of symbols, a quote from my book on Mandela's open for consideration in regards to symbols:


"The entire journey in God is a journey in symbols, in which one is constantly aware of the higher realities within things.

Symbols are vehicles of transmission of Divine realities, which transform us by carrying us to the higher states of being from which they originate."

~ Laleh Bakhtiar, Sufi expressions of the Mystic Quest

Oh wow Julia!!!  All afternoon I was busy sifting through the symbols to be able to put down that which it come to me in less than a fraction of a second.



love - Laura

[Sethg]

Hi Julia

I'm not one for definitions but when you said "harmlessness" my ears perked up.
Is see this state is a characteristic of a next age human.

Void of harm. Unable to inflict or receive harm. Even to the point of knowing
that the concept of harm in illusory. Can God harm or be harmed?

I have been lucky enough to have spent the last 2 months 
with one of my greatest teachers of how enlightened humans will be like.

His name is Asaya and he is just about 3. We have been living on a beach for the last 2 months.
If you walk out the door you ar on a beach that stretches a few miles each way. Asaya
loves to just take off down the beach. His favorite practice is to just walk into people's houses
sit down and make like he's a member of the family. It makes it tricky because I never know where to find him because he doesn't discriminate. Everyone gets a visit.

He has no idea what harm is. He is in a state of harmlessness. He obviously has no intention to harm nor does he have any notion the possibility of being harmed. We get programmed as we get older that we have to fear one another but I see the way Asaya is as the way we all can be. The Mayans didn't even have a word for door. It was a gateway. Who would want something to keep people out or in.

Why can't we have the trust of Asaya that he can't be harmed because he doesn't even know what harm is.

The practice or concept of not inflicting harm is an easy one to explain or to do. The ability to not BE harmed is the key to "harmless." There is nothing that you could say or do that would harm me because I am one with you and I know that we are creating this experience together. How can there be harm in anything with this understanding.

We are hopefully evolving into a time when we will all be harmless. It reminds me of the quote "The meek shall inherit the earth." It's where, in the state of harmlessness, we will turn the other cheek as it means nothing because we cannot be harmed unless we choose.

When we are all harmless we shall be able to walk into each other's home without feeling fear or causing fear because the idea of harm will be extinct. Asaya is already there.

So Julia I don't know if that's a definition but I just like the word harmless. Right up there with limitless or timeless.

Seth     

[juliainkc]

Hi Seth,

I understand about the definitions thing. I began this post due to the agreeing on how words really can mangle and lose the real meaning which is an unspoken language. So I thought it would be interesting to see what showed up in perspectives to encourage ones to move beyond the set in stone type of thinking.

Funny but I really relate to Asaya and shared his likeness as a child! My mother got to know the neighborhood because of me!

I truly InJoyed reading what you have wonderfully expressed and shared here Seth. It is our true nature to be this way.

As a beloved friend shared in conversation and I agree whole heartedly with him and you in my paraphrase, 'we learn to remember who we are, not to become what we think we are not already'.

Thank you Seth for sharing your valuable Insights,

One In Spirit,

Julia

[juliainkc]

Ollie Ollie Oxen Free Free Free,

In my dict word defining (pict) ionary (imagery) this means, bar none ~

Let's play ~ what is your unique photo expression defining 'death, to die ...'? as ... in your ese?

[Freedom]

Dear Julia

why do you confuse me so much? 

Are we talking about an Oxen called Ollie , who is now free? Well, good for him 1 

'unique photo expression' of death, to die, as in your ese?'

Did Ollie die, just as he became free? Maybe he became free cos he died.

I just hope that Ollie the Oxen is happy now!

That is the best answer I can come up with...

Here is the story of Ollie the Oxen. After years of toil, he was set free by his master.. but he didnt know what to do, or how to get food, and the villagers said:  "Lo! There goes a free Ox, we will let him get on with his free life"   , but the poor Ox didnt know how to be free, so he wandered around, got lost, got hungry , and died of confusion and hunger.  And then... he was free in death, cos death is an illusion. Now , Ollie is happy, and he rejoiced in being free.

Is that playing ~  Hope so, cos I am sure confused by some of your writings, but they make me smile and laugh!     a lot 


Love 

[Talker]

Ah, what memories are triggered with the reading here.
We had no idea about the 'what and why' of this game, or how we even knew to play it. Quite the varied history behind it though.

Has been seventy years or so, since this game was last played by me. There we were, gathered, out on the street, an hour or so most everyday at early dusk. We'd horse around, talk loudly on nothing, with lots of chiding, until one would shout out 'I'm it'. Off the we went to hide.

Get this picture: A dozen of us kids playing, all but one in hiding. That one is "It" and stands near the Can, protecting it. One kid runs out of hiding but is tagged before he can kick the Can -- then one kid  runs as quietly as she can, sneaks up behind the kid who's "It", kicks the Can and screams out, "All ye, all ye, outs in free!"
The ones who were still hiding -- behind garbage cans, under bushes and porches -- knew that the game was over when the call went out,  "Ollie Ollie oxen free!"
All the children who are "outs" -- still in hiding -- are free to come out of their hiding places. Sometimes, children would shout out this "freedom call" because it was suppertime and they needed to go home and eat.

[juliainkc]

Hello Freedom, Talker and Everyone,

Freedom, pardon me for not saying this was from a game we played here as children.

Talker, thank you so much for the wonderful explanation you gave to Freedom and everyone here. What a great recall on the memory!

I too remember playing this game before dusk as all children ran home after hearing their names called to come in for dinner.

This thread was started to allow anyone to come in and share from their slant of this picture of life what came to mind when hearing the different words mentioned here. All are welcomed to join in and we do see ones asking these questions woven throughout this forum in various threads.

What meaning comes to mind when the word death or dying is heard? What does it mean to you is what I was asking.

For me, it means surrender like the seed containing life within contained in an exterior shell. The shell opens (surrenders) to the Life process.

Or a doorway or veil that one stands on one side of before going through it. How one experiences it is individual.

While I have yet to have the final experience of what death is known as here, I have been allowed as all to experience it in different ways and once viewed it as something to be feared.

Like surrendering to the relationships that have lived their purpose and not clinging to them in fear that there will be no more relationships and so on ... I have had to face my fears too.

I have lost loved ones in this life and where do they go? I cannot answer that for another. For myself when I have experienced this, I have felt deep peace in my own Inner Being of the assurance that they have transformed their energy back into me and I expand more now having another 'piece' of me in place within. I expand with them and have a deeper understanding of this thing we call life and that it does not ever end really.

In observing this one called Jesus or Yehshua, this is what I gained in acceptance of his life experience as was shown to me, not in reading books so much but by going through my life experiences.

All I can do is share my view.

So, I ask again to all here, what is your view of death and dying?

Love to All,

Julia

[Freedom]

Wow! Thanks so much Julia and Talker for telling me about this game of Ollie Oxen, lol, I thought we had to make up a story about an Ox, hahaha!!!! I am laughing with me/us, not at me/us,  , so funny, I am always confused about everything!

Did you guys like my little story? Haha!!!

OK, then, so this is an american game? I have never heard of it before. It cant be english or aussie, or I would know it for sure. Does anyone know where the expression came from? It's quite fascinating and Talker, I loved your description of the game, I could feel like I was going back in time and actually being there !

Death and dying... I have an uncle in england that passed on recently. We heard how his funeral was joyous and they all talked and laughed about his life and the funny things he said and did.  In one way , I thought that was lovely, but in another way, I thought that they think he is gone. Of course he isnt really gone. He was probably having a ball at his funeral party!

I have a beloved aunt that may possibly pass on soon, hopefully later. She is about 83 and not well, just had a minor stroke. I send her blessings all the time.

I suffered more when my beloved cat died than my mother or sister's passings, cos I just felt my cat was more helpless  , I still cry just thinking of her, but my other cat is part of her and that cheers me up.

I know we are all just players on the stage, as Shakespear told us, and I keep reminding myself of this every single hour of every day.

Laura said how our higher selves love us more than we can imagine and that makes me feel more positive all the time.

I think I may want to be immortal, but... our souls are... so do we need to keep the body? Probably not... or can we go to the next dimension as a shift of time/space?

I am reading David Willcock at the moment...

http://www.ourultimatereality.com/forums/shift-of-the-ages-t926.0.html

online, from Melody's thread, originally,   it is fascinating beyond belief. Like Adrian said, same stuff as him, just harder to read. But I am plowing thru it , a chapter a day.

Thanks for the Ollie Oxen , Julia and Talker. That made my day!


Love