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« Reply #45 on: January 05, 2009, 23:22:57 »

Dear DH Smiley

I saw those butteflies in 2006 - it was the year of metamorphosis. You will see !! Smiley You will have achieved so much when you will be happy and at peace and complete just with yourself. When you know that truly you are over mourning and come to live as a spirit in a human body.
This is a gift that your beloved one that parted wanted to give you. In this lifetime!!
You are blessed to have known a life so full of love with your true mate.
If you look carefully you will see that many would give anything to have what you had if even for a brief period of time. Finding true happiness with another is one of the most precious gifts.
You have something to treasure for eternity!!!

Because what is this life compared to eternity?? Smiley what is a few years without her when what you have is forever. When you will come to see this you will be enveloped in Light. 

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« Reply #46 on: January 06, 2009, 22:59:29 »



"A relationship is more of an assignment than a choice. We can walk away from the assignment, but we cannot walk away from the lessons it presents.

We stay with a relationship until a lesson is learned, or we simply learn it another way." ~ today's calendar reading ~


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« Reply #47 on: January 06, 2009, 23:50:12 »

Dear DH

I have seen and experienced some amazing things in nature, but nothing quite that Sacred.
I cannot relate to loosing a life Friend and Lover, so will not speak like I do. Just know I feel strongly that it was her in the midst of the combined energy of all the butterflies. It would feel to me a great healing experience  and a renewal when I have interacted with Nature on her terms and her language. I just stop thinking becuase the feeling is all that exists within the experience.

How fortunate and blessed you were Laura to have experienced them also.

What an excellent thread - sharing intimate experiences within Nature and how they renewed us and let us feel so embraced. I could not walk away from them without feeling I was Universe friendly and cared for. I was fortunate to always have woods and water near me. Old trees, creeks, and a couple lakes, undeveloped land not a park.
Now I have ot drive to them, as I live in a more populated area. I came here to learn to do this from a greater distance, to bring those feelings here.  The Zen of having them come into my home through me wherever I am. I think it brings understanding to the idea of a house and Home.
I am also learning now that learning does not need be dramatic and turmoiled, lessons do not need be a chore of distaste while experiencing it. Zen is living the lesson and not realizing it is one. What I learned was the next motion in my life. Mother Nature does that for Ones Self.
Standing face to face with an Owl once I realized looking for God is a lesson in futility, like looking for your hand. If I am looking for so undeniable existence, it is a sign something is in disharmony. I never thought I could be so close to an Owl, my mind required effort to accept it was in front of me, and the feelings saturating into me.
The word blasphemy came from denying such experiences by refusing to be still when they occur.
Sacred came from feeling them.

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« Reply #48 on: January 07, 2009, 00:13:53 »

Dear DH



"A relationship is more of an assignment than a choice. We can walk away from the assignment, but we cannot walk away from the lessons it presents.

We stay with a relationship until a lesson is learned, or we simply learn it another way." ~ today's calendar reading ~


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I totally agree. From the bottom of my heart. And I had the privilege to experience the truth of what you just said. I wish my ex-spouse would understand the notion of unconditional love because right now I would like to say that to him: thank you for the lessons you allowed me to learn, for without them I would not be what I am, I would have perhaps never strive to see the Light. Thank you, I love you.

Smiley

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« Reply #49 on: January 07, 2009, 00:16:57 »

Dear Darrell,

Dear DH

I have seen and experienced some amazing things in nature, but nothing quite that Sacred.
I cannot relate to loosing a life Friend and Lover, so will not speak like I do. Just know I feel strongly that it was her in the midst of the combined energy of all the butterflies. It would feel to me a great healing experience  and a renewal when I have interacted with Nature on her terms and her language. I just stop thinking becuase the feeling is all that exists within the experience.

How fortunate and blessed you were Laura to have experienced them also.

What an excellent thread - sharing intimate experiences within Nature and how they renewed us and let us feel so embraced. I could not walk away from them without feeling I was Universe friendly and cared for. I was fortunate to always have woods and water near me. Old trees, creeks, and a couple lakes, undeveloped land not a park.
Now I have ot drive to them, as I live in a more populated area. I came here to learn to do this from a greater distance, to bring those feelings here.  The Zen of having them come into my home through me wherever I am. I think it brings understanding to the idea of a house and Home.
I am also learning now that learning does not need be dramatic and turmoiled, lessons do not need be a chore of distaste while experiencing it. Zen is living the lesson and not realizing it is one. What I learned was the next motion in my life. Mother Nature does that for Ones Self.
Standing face to face with an Owl once I realized looking for God is a lesson in futility, like looking for your hand. If I am looking for so undeniable existence, it is a sign something is in disharmony. I never thought I could be so close to an Owl, my mind required effort to accept it was in front of me, and the feelings saturating into me.
The word blasphemy came from denying such experiences by refusing to be still when they occur.
Sacred came from feeling them.

Love
Darrell


As we were saying here with Leila and Adrian these guys have their gorgeous moments Wink Right now you have exceeded that. For a split moment I was you experiencing al that you just wrote. Smiley


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« Reply #50 on: January 07, 2009, 10:00:58 »

A couple of my favourite poems:

BELIEVE IN YOURSELF

Set your standards high
You deserve the best.
Try for what you want
And never settle for less.
Believe in yourself
No matter what you choose.
Keep a winning attitude
And you can never lose.
Think about your destination
But don't worry if you stray
Because the most important thing
Is what you've learned along the way.
Take all that you've become
To be all that you can be.
Soar above the clouds
And let your dreams set you free.

by Jillian K. Hunt

and

On Children:

Your children are not your children,
They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself.
They come through you but are not from you,
And though they are with you yet they belong not to you.

You may give them your love but not your thoughts,
For they have their own thoughts.
You may house their bodies but not their souls,
For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow,
which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.
You may strive to be like them, but seek not to make them like you.
For life goes not backward nor tarries with yesterday.

You are the bows from which your chilren
as living arrows are sent forth.
The archer sees the mark upon the path of the infinite, and
He bends you with His might that His arrows may go swift and far
Let your bending in th earcher's hand be for gladness;
For even as He loves the arrow that flies,
So he loves also the bow that is stable.

by Kahlil Gibran


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« Reply #51 on: January 07, 2009, 11:39:53 »

Good Morning Tessa, smiley

Thank you for sharing these wonderful poems. I was given a card with Kahlil Gibran's thoughts on Children when my first daughter was born and it is a wonderful one to tuck within.

Love to you always,

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« Reply #52 on: January 07, 2009, 12:28:19 »

That's what I learned from the Cherokees. 

My wife died in 2007 and I died too (at least the person I was to that point in my life with my identity connected with her).  I felt lost for a long time.  But one day I was sitting under my favorite tree in a wildlife refuge near where I live; and while I was sitting there and feeling dead and sorry for myself, a whole bunch of Monarch butterflies (I'm talking about more than I can count!) descended upon me, many of them just sitting on me and not moving even when I moved.  After being startled I just relaxed and went with it, and suddenly the word welled up in my spirit:  Your life with her was wonderful, but it was leading up to what will happen now, the like the caterpillar blooming into a butterfly.  Resurrection!  I still don't know what that means and sometimes I lapse into self-pity -- but it's only for a short time.  I'm excited about seeing the butterfly rise up -- whatever the hell that means!  But anyway -- again, creation is alive and well and ready to help us.

Blessings, DH
Hello DH,
My condolences with the loss of a dear one. That you find peace with your sorrow. Many emotions arise at times, as I read certain words in posts, books and conversations. Will, as here, act upon those emotions if intense enough.
Be Well

(While not done perfectly, I was touched enough to make the effort.)
(from the Cherokee language)

Kamama adanvdo gaddia astule ehu
Utaluli dodadagohvi

Roughly means:

Butterfly, I am saying is, spirit, lover.
It is not yet time, we will see one another again.
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« Reply #53 on: January 08, 2009, 21:12:05 »

Thanks Talker for the kind words and for your Cherokee quote.  Well done.  It was much appreciated.  Let me tell you that people in America who speak languages other than English ALWAYS appreciate someone who even tries to communicate in their native language.   smiley

Sometimes I feel like an old guy (55), but after "meeting you" here I am humbled to know that you would be about my dad's age if he were still on this plane.  I'm humbled because I know that wisdom can come with years, and from what I've read from your blogs, etc., you have a lot of wisdom.

So let me ask you:  How do you handle loss?  How have you overcome the big blows that life sometimes throws at us?  Granted that the blows may be a part of the plan to help us grow -- but that doesn't make the loss any better at the time.  What's your word on this?

Blessings, DH

That's what I learned from the Cherokees. 

My wife died in 2007 and I died too (at least the person I was to that point in my life with my identity connected with her).  I felt lost for a long time.  But one day I was sitting under my favorite tree in a wildlife refuge near where I live; and while I was sitting there and feeling dead and sorry for myself, a whole bunch of Monarch butterflies (I'm talking about more than I can count!) descended upon me, many of them just sitting on me and not moving even when I moved.  After being startled I just relaxed and went with it, and suddenly the word welled up in my spirit:  Your life with her was wonderful, but it was leading up to what will happen now, the like the caterpillar blooming into a butterfly.  Resurrection!  I still don't know what that means and sometimes I lapse into self-pity -- but it's only for a short time.  I'm excited about seeing the butterfly rise up -- whatever the hell that means!  But anyway -- again, creation is alive and well and ready to help us.

Blessings, DH
Hello DH,
My condolences with the loss of a dear one. That you find peace with your sorrow. Many emotions arise at times, as I read certain words in posts, books and conversations. Will, as here, act upon those emotions if intense enough.
Be Well

(While not done perfectly, I was touched enough to make the effort.)
(from the Cherokee language)

Kamama adanvdo gaddia astule ehu
Utaluli dodadagohvi

Roughly means:

Butterfly, I am saying is, spirit, lover.
It is not yet time, we will see one another again.

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« Reply #54 on: January 08, 2009, 21:28:39 »

Dear DH,

Thanks Talker for the kind words and for your Cherokee quote.  Well done.  It was much appreciated.  Let me tell you that people in America who speak languages other than English ALWAYS appreciate someone who even tries to communicate in their native language.   smiley

Sometimes I feel like an old guy (55), but after "meeting you" here I am humbled to know that you would be about my dad's age if he were still on this plane.  I'm humbled because I know that wisdom can come with years, and from what I've read from your blogs, etc., you have a lot of wisdom.

So let me ask you:  How do you handle loss?  How have you overcome the big blows that life sometimes throws at us?  Granted that the blows may be a part of the plan to help us grow -- but that doesn't make the loss any better at the time.  What's your word on this?

Blessings, DH


I can only tell you how I handled my loss, which by no means was never as great as yours, however for me it was huge enough to cause me choking in my breath day and nights until I though I just can't take it anymore!!!...

I died.
I died to that which I was, then God put a new spirit in me, and after I just followed my passion.
If not for my loss I would have never really went on a mighty quest to look for God, for what God is.. or if it is there any at all !!!

And as I went about that quest miracle of miracles: I found myself!!

I shudder what I would have not become if not for that loss.

You are going to laugh but one day in my greatest desperation I opened google, and I typed: "what is God".
I could not believe how many pages popped up and all with these things I never knew about, and I think one of them was Adrian's Smiley I subscribed to about anything, I still have thousands of emails that I was never able to open even.

Anyway DH I know how it feels but trust me "it will get only better with time".
My dad told me this ages ago...and he was absolutely right. Smiley

For now whatever we say it will only help you that much. The real help comes only from within. DH do not be shy to cry your head of, to sob in desperation, crumble to the floor and feel that pain... let it all out, the worse it hurts and the more you explore that hurt the sooner you will get to your 'twilight zone' after which there's only the eternal sunshine.

Here is a song for you: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=BWgzhyAtzN8


All the love for you - Laura }o{
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« Reply #55 on: January 09, 2009, 18:31:58 »

Hello DH,
The death event experience, is quite personal for all involved. Emotions are wide and varied. Sorrow, bitterness, joy, relief, emptiness, anger, bone to pick with God, and guilt, being some of the emotions one can feel.
This may not sound right, but I find there are subtle variances in emotions, depending on 'who passed' on. While I don't look forward to experiencing a wife passing away, am sure the emotions will be different, than those experienced (for instance) with my son's passing. We each grieve in a manner relative to our beliefs and relationship with the one that has passed on. Yes, there may be common threads involved with every one experiencing the event, but with a special uniqueness, with beliefs and relationships manifesting for each. There can even be unwarranted guilt thoughts. Many thoughts surface during those moments. Memories will and do surface leading to tears welling up. The sharp hurt of grief gradually diminishes to hurt, and on into sweet sorrow depending on the many variables.

I wrote letters to my son:

http://thetalker.org/archives/255/8-a-letter-to-mike/
http://thetalker.org/archives/195/22-oh-that-angel/
http://thetalker.org/archives/196/23-the-angel-of-deaths-visit/

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June 12, 2007
 In a dream, I heard my son Michael speaking to God, here is the way it went: God was weeping and Michael questioned "why do you weep God". In a sad voice, God spoke these words. "You my son Michael, I do envy. You have experienced that which I created for my Creations. You have tasted love, loss, friendship, love of family. You had lived the sunrise and sunset. You have tasted that heat and cold of seasons. You have listened to the sweetness of songbirds. You have experienced the joy and sorrow of life. You have experienced the sweetness of your creation, as I am unable to. I weep that not all of my creation has honored that which I had set for them. You Michael, have accepted my Gifts and experienced fully that which I set out for you. I am pleased that you have. You have done that, which I cannot, for I can only "see it", yet not live it as you have. My Spirit can only weep with joyous anticipation until you come home to me, so that I can also fully feel, that which you had received and experienced while on earth. Hearing those words Michael wept and said "God, I thank you for all that I have experienced, and wish to console and comfort you, wait a while, if you will, and as difficult as it will be, I need to prepare my loved ones for my passing, and I will come home to you. We will share all that I have received while here on earth, we can laugh and happily cry as I tell you all about it. I know that all my family, my loved one and friends will understand." 
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Perfect solution or answers, no, but the sting did diminish to sweet sorrow. Much left out in the telling, regrds Source, but for now, Love.

( one persons thoughts Shown here are words that another wrote, about the hurt involved.)
"Loved Ones Death
When I first get the news that someone I love and care deeply about has died my heart just stops. I completely go into a different state of mind. I am in shock and what usually follows is disbelief and blood pressure skyrockets. I usually do not cry right away because I try sort things out in my head. Its kind of weird in a way because when I do cry its just happens without warning. I could be driving and a stop light and then I think of my loved one and just start crying. It might just be for a few seconds but I am crying. You can try to hold it in but if you really truly love someone that's just not possible.

Everybody has there own method of coming to terms with their loved ones death. There is not a wrong way and how you do it will come naturally. Some people cry instantly some hold it in, while others pretend that it never really happen and get upset when you even talk about it. I sure you have seen hundreds of other ways people deal with their loved ones deaths.

If you have trouble dealing with your loved one's death its some times good to hand out with mutual friends and talked about your loved one or friend. Sometimes being alone is OK but being with others who loved them makes everything a whole lot better. I myself seem to prefer being alone and I am amazed by some of my friends and relatives who seem to handle the death way better than I can.

The thing to remember about death is it going to happen to all of us and how we deal with it changes as time goes on. I know now that I am older I not as scared of dying but one scared about the ones that I will leave behind. I know that we do not know when are time will come but it will come and what we do here in life it just a blink of an eye in terms of how long the universe has been around."

(loss of a parent)
Ten Steps to Grieving the Loss of a Parent

by:  Alexandra Kennedy

The death of a parent is a life-shaking event for which few are prepared. This experience can wound us deeply, leaving lifetime scars. Or it can, if grieved fully, initiate profound, unprecedented change and open our world into new perspectives and choices. The following steps to grieving the loss of a parent (whether recently or in the past) will tap this transformative potential.

Acknowledge the importance and power of this event. The death of a parent shakes the very foundation of our lives. It is natural, though often uncomfortable, to feel raw and vulnerable, alone, out of control. Rather than resisting the powerful forces activated in grief, learn strategies for moving through it, stage by stage, day by day.
Take time each day to honor your grief. Set up a sanctuary in your home or in nature, a protected place where you can open fully to your grief for ten to twenty minutes every day. Using the sanctuary, gradually you will find a rhythm of entering the grief for a period each day, then letting it go and attending to daily tasks.
Address any unfinished business with your parent. It is very common for unresolved feelings toward your parent to surface after his or her death. The grieving period is an important time to heal these old wounds and begin to say good-bye.
Participate in creating new family patterns. The family system is often thrown into chaos and upheaval after a parent's death. Old patterns don't work with the same predictable results. The family may thrash around for months, seeking a new balance with one another. This is a brief window of opportunity, when the family is opened up to change before a new system is established. You can either be thrown into this new system or consciously participate in creating new patterns that are healthy for you.
Explore the direction and quality of your life. The death of a parent often initiates a period of painful questioning: Where am I going in my life? What do I really value? What are my beliefs? Does my life really matter? This questioning is a critical part of the grieving process. Out of it will come new perspectives, directions and choices.
Don't pressure yourself to "get back to normal". Many expect that grief will be over in a few weeks or months. Grief has its own rhythm, nature and timing that resist our attempts to control it. For some, though certainly not all, there is a marked shift around the first anniversary of your parent's death. However, as the years pass, the grief may well up from time to time. Each time it surfaces, see it as an opportunity for more healing.
Learn to parent yourself. Give yourself nurturance, love, protection and encouragement. Clarify the expectations you had of your parent that he or she never could fulfill. In seeing the relationship for what it was rather than what you wanted it to be, you can grieve what your parent didn't give you and begin to appreciate what he or she did give you.
Let your friends know what you want and need from them. Offer them some suggestions of ways that they can help and support you-- perhaps bringing you a meal, doing some errands, giving you a back rub, taking a walk with you, checking in on you regularly. Assert that your need to withdraw. Let him or her know about anything that he or she is doing that is not supportive. Encourage your friends to educate themselves about grief so that they will know what to expect. Remind them that grief takes a long time to heal.
Each year acknowledge the anniversary of your parent's death. Take time to reflect and do something special to commemorate that date. Be gentle with yourself, as this is a vulnerable time in which many may feel depressed or emotional.
Celebrate the changes and new perspectives. These will begin to manifest in your life as you move out of the dark middle phase of grief. When you feel ready, act on new ideas, inspirations and insights.
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« Reply #56 on: January 09, 2009, 22:06:47 »

Hello Laura and Talker,

Wow, thanks for the replies. They both touched me deeply.

I believe there is no such thing as a "worse loss".  The death of a relationship is life changing and difficult whether it's the literal death of a spouse or son or the permanent break up with a significant other.  They all cause deep grief with the sense of loss, but, yes, also personal growth and the new power that comes with it.

Talker, thanks for sharing the material about Mike (he passed about a month before my wife).  smiley  I could relate to a lot of your honest feelings with tears but also with the hope we all have to be reunited in what we call "the future".  The dream about Mike comforting God was awesome and really made me stop and think.  But I think it expresses truth.  Our Higher Self does indeed await our unique package of experience to enrich all of us.

Laura, thanks for the encouragement.   smiley  I agree that death and resurrection are what it's all about (hence the butterflies mentioned in earlier posts).  I can already see how my children (all grown) and I are new creations in a positive sense, despite the sadness and loneliness we all still feel with the loss.  Over the holidays we got together and were talking about how time does heal, but it seems like right now it's still stuck on the day she left us.  Patience, patience, I guess.  Thanks for the song, too.  It really hit home, and, sorry, but Toni Braxton makes me melt anyway!   wink

grace and peace, DH
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« Reply #57 on: January 25, 2009, 12:40:30 »

Hello Everyone,

Today, I desire to dedicate this thought to All and especially our beloved brother Louis. smiley


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« Reply #58 on: February 08, 2009, 09:38:43 »

Here is a very short yet thought provoking article that showed up today;

Sending Loving thoughts your way all,

To our never~ending story,

InJoy your freedom With Love,

Julia


http://www.guyfinley.com/Key_Lessons/Expanded_Lessons/Further_Understanding/3425/?src=KL&lyid=43111700
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« Reply #59 on: February 09, 2009, 12:06:48 »

Good Afternoon Everyone,

Where there is Light,
There is Love,
Where there is Love,
There is Light

I AM the Light
that only knows Love,
Love that shines only in Light.

Allow Light
Allow Love
Allow I

I AM TRUTH



Last night I had this come to mind and knew I should share it.
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