Conciousness shift in animals after death

[TheAlphaOmega]

I just read a chapter in "Our Ultimate Reality" in which Adrian addresses the issue of what happens to animals once they die. My whole life I've grown up with dogs, and it's completely obvious to me that they all have unique personalities, that they clearly comprehend much of what we say to them, and that they are not creatures without souls. Creatures like insects have always appeared to be less of soulfull creatures and more like necissary parts to keep the natural earth running smoothly. Not to say that insects don't have souls, but I suppose if that is the case then it would further push the question that I am about to address. For most OBE and NDE experiencers when one experiences one or the other they often realize a shift in their conciousness. They are often able to easily understand and comprehend questions that even the greatest philosophers have spent their lives searching the answer for. It was also addressed in Adrians book that as spirits evolve through the different levels their concious understanding of things makes us in the physical world look like single celled organisms. I'm wondering if animals experience this same shift. Do dogs for example go through a life review process in which they understand their actions, and those actions done to them, and comprehend the thought process of their friends and masters? When they visit us, as Adrian says they do, do they do it because they miss us and want to see how our life is going, or is it because they miss us rubbing their bellies? If they do have a progressive shift in conciousness... is it possible to have say, an OBE, in which you visit your dead pet and find yourself having a conversation with a more concious soul then your dog was in life? Any views on this idea, and perhaps stories of first hand experience, would be nice. Thanks!

[Adrian]

Hello TheAlphaOmega,

Thank you very much for raising this very important issue.

Animals absolutely have Souls, being an aspect of the same intelligent conscious Energy as we all are. In fact even plants and minerals have Souls.

In the case of animals, the closer they are to human beings while in physical incarnation, the more "individual" they become, this is especially true when the animal is cared for with Unconditional Love. Being close to human beings strengthens the Energy of Energy, Astral and Spiritual bidies of the animal, as  they assimilate the power of the emotions directed towards them. In retrun the Love of a higher animal for a human is always totally unconditional, and that puts them ahead of humans in that respect.

There have been numerous cases in seances where animals, in particular cats and dogs that have passed over "appear" to their previous human carers, either by making characteristic noises or even by materialisation.

Cats and dogs frequently visit their previous human companisons after passing on and even stay around, quite simply because it is the natural thing for them to do. After passing there is very often a reunion by humans with their previous pets; this can occur during "timecales" equivalent to thousands of years in Earth terms.

In Spiritual evolutionary terms, cats and dogs are just beneath humans. #

Other animals, notaboy those who have no human contact, become members of the "group" Soul of their species upon passing on, and contribute to the overall group Spiritual evolution of the species.

Most people are surprised to learn that members of the ape family, notwithstanding the fact that we share the same distant relatives, are fairly low down in the evolutionary scale, because at some time during their evolution they became lazy and ceased to evolve in the way they had the potential to do.

Thanks again.

Best regards,

Adrian.

[patapouf]

This is interesting. I was wondering if an animal's soul will go, through the process of reincarnation (if they do), in another species?

Most people are surprised to learn that members of the ape family, notwithstanding the fact that we share the same distant relatives, are fairly low down in the evolutionary scale, because at some time during their evolution they became lazy and ceased to evolve in the way they had the potential to do.

Adrian.

Indeed, this is surprising! The major problem that animals may have is that they do not possess, it seems, any ''spiritual guidelines'' to help them evolve....

Take care,

[James S]

Hi Patapouf

Indeed, this is surprising! The major problem that animals may have is that they do not possess, it seems, any ''spiritual guidelines'' to help them evolve....

I would not consider this to be the case. As Adrian pointed out, A soul residing in an animal is the same as a soul residing in a human.

Consider the perspective that we are all pieces of the same intelligent sentient living energy (what some call God), coming into physical universe, to learn and evolve by experience life in all the different ways it can be experienced.  

We think of these pieces of the whole as our soul. All souls, all those pieces of the whole, are on a journey of learning and experiencing, and as we do so, we evolve into ever more advanced forms.
Consider this then to be the basic spiritual guideline that all souls have - as you learn, you progress. Aside from that, when not under the constraints of the physical universe, all souls have unlimited access to the sum of all knowledge contained by the whole. I'd say that would be a pretty good source of guidance.

Further support that I have of the idea that an animal can and will incarnate as another species is my Beagle. The way she acts - the way she never shows she is sorry for anything she does, the way she completely ignores us if we tell her to get off the sofa, and the way she scratches at the blanket we have covering the sofa so she can curl around into a little nest, I'm certain she was a cat in her last life!

Also, my sister-in-law's husband used to own a dog that was a notorious cat killer. Any cat that was foolish enough to get into their yard never made it out alive. The dog died about 8 months ago, and about 5 months ago they bought a kitten. This kitten is completely freaking them out because it has ALL the same manerisms as the dog used to have. It even plays fetch! We're now sure that the dog came back as a cat as a way of repaying karmic debt.

Blessings,
James.

[patapouf]

I would not consider this to be the case. As Adrian pointed out, A soul residing in an animal is the same as a soul residing in a human.

Consider the perspective that we are all pieces of the same intelligent sentient living energy (what some call God), coming into physical universe, to learn and evolve by experience life in all the different ways it can be experienced.  

Yeah, I also think in the same way but I didn't hear many things on this issue (only the Buddhist's perspective) so I wasn't sure if it other explanations might be possible.

Also, my sister-in-law's husband used to own a dog that was a notorious cat killer. Any cat that was foolish enough to get into their yard never made it out alive. The dog died about 8 months ago, and about 5 months ago they bought a kitten. This kitten is completely freaking them out because it has ALL the same manerisms as the dog used to have. It even plays fetch! We're now sure that the dog came back as a cat as a way of repaying karmic debt.

This is funny but a really interesting story also. If you give some of the objects that the previous dog had to the cat; do it react in a certain manner or the cat is completely indifferent to it? We plan also to have a little baby cat in our house. We had two perrots and a dog before; perrots are really nice animals to have (if the ''screaming'' doesn't bother you too much of course!).

Take care,

[James S]

Hi Patapouf,

Does the cat react in a similar manner? Yes, that's the really amazing thing - it does! That's what got us thinking.

I know what you mean about the parrots. We also have two. Very cute, and really intelligent, but you're right - they can be noisy!


James.

[TheAlphaOmega]

I really appreciate all your replies, it's interesting to see what each of your perspectives on the matter are.  Forgive me if I sound unsatisfied, but I'm quite discontent with the responses.  Adrian, though your view is very thought provocing and respected, it is very similar to the text within your book, not quite addressing the issue of conciousness.  I did see that you suggested "spiritually, animals are just on a lower level than humans".  Does this mean that an animal will gain a higher level of conciousness about their existence once they die, but it's still not the same level as a human during physical life?  Would mans best friend understand things such as basic science, to gain a basic understanding of their universe around them during life, but still never reach the intellectual level of humans during a man or womans physical life?

[Adrian]

Hello TheAlphaOmega,

I really appreciate all your replies, it's interesting to see what each of your perspectives on the matter are.  Forgive me if I sound unsatisfied, but I'm quite discontent with the responses.  Adrian, though your view is very thought provocing and respected, it is very similar to the text within your book, not quite addressing the issue of conciousness.  I did see that you suggested "spiritually, animals are just on a lower level than humans".  Does this mean that an animal will gain a higher level of conciousness about their existence once they die, but it's still not the same level as a human during physical life?  Would mans best friend understand things such as basic science, to gain a basic understanding of their universe around them during life, but still never reach the intellectual level of humans during a man or womans physical life?

I can full understand your position believe me.

The fact is that while we know that "higher" animals survive passing as individual Souls, and that they visit physical humans just as human Souls visit physical humans, what is not altogether clear from information received is the evolutionary path of animals.

First of all I don't like to talk about "higher" or "lower" because relative to The Source we are all equal; we are all aspects of the same Divine Energy.

That said, and I haven't discussed this in my book because I just don't know for sure, there is alot of evidence to suggest that all life is on the same evolutionary path. In a totally perfect, loving, equal Universe we would actually expect this to be the case.

So if this is the case dogs and cats will soon gain sufficient human characteristics to develop a human energy signature and incarnate as a human being. And likewise "lower" forms of life evolve to become dogs and cats and so on right back to single celled organisms. Buddhists believe in "transmigration" which also includes humans incarnating as animals. I personally do not believe this to be the case because the Universe is in a constant state of evolution and never goes backwards.

Having said all of that there is no real question that humans can also incarnate directly as humans for the first time. Such humans would of course have many lives ahead of them as humans.

As you can see this is not an easy subject due to lack of evidence.

We can however be certain that all animals survive "death" and the "higher" animals remain loyal to humans, visit humans and will be reunited with humans upon passing, that be the desire of all concerned.

Best regards,

Adrian.

[patapouf]

What is also very surprising (a little bit off-topic....) is to hear stories of domestic animals saving the lives of other people. There was a particular case where an old man had some kind of attack that left him paralized on the floor of his house; he was all alone with his dog. Many will immediately think that he saved this person by barking for help but no, he did something even more spectacular. Since the old man was not able to drink or eat because he was stuck on the floor, the dog took a piece of clothe and was dipping it in the toilet to give it back to the person. The dog did that for i don't know how long but long enough that when someone went in the house, the old man was still alive. I can not tell if this story is 100% true (I hope I had a link to share....) but it is a nice story anyway.

Humans have the great potential of doing so many good and beautiful things but sadly, they can also do the opposite; create much more misery than animals may create to themselves. We don't have to search very far for examples.... Just take a newspaper....

Take care,

[Adrian]

Greetings patapouf,

What is also very surprising (a little bit off-topic....) is to hear stories of domestic animals saving the lives of other people. There was a particular case where an old man had some kind of attack that left him paralized on the floor of his house; he was all alone with his dog. Many will immediately think that he saved this person by barking for help but no, he did something even more spectacular. Since the old man was not able to drink or eat because he was stuck on the floor, the dog took a piece of clothe and was dipping it in the toilet to give it back to the person. The dog did that for i don't know how long but long enough that when someone went in the house, the old man was still alive. I can not tell if this story is 100% true (I hope I had a link to share....) but it is a nice story anyway.

Humans have the great potential of doing so many good and beautiful things but sadly, they can also do the opposite; create much more misery than animals may create to themselves. We don't have to search very far for examples.... Just take a newspaper....

Take care,

Animals, particularly dogs and cats are still very much connected to the inner spheres, not having been affected by all of the typical human traits of materialism etc..  They therefore act out of Unconditional Love.

Best regards,

Adrian.

[patapouf]

Humans have an incredible cultural diversity of ''communication'' with each other (ex: different languages, signs, etc.). I was wondering if it is possible for humans to somehow communicate or understand an animal (something like ''Dr Doolittle'') or it is just some Hollywood fiction. I never heard someone say that he can communicate with animals (maybe a really limited dialogue of ''hi'' ''how are you'' with a perrot....)?

Take care,

[Mark]

There is a gorilla in an American zoo that can use sign language to communicate (I think) approx 1000 concepts/words to humans.

So, isn't this a case of the gorilla acting as dr.dolittle ?

[patapouf]

Yeah I heard about that case of how they sucessfully incorporated the sign language with a gorilla. Dr Doolittle is just an Hollywood comedy of a guy who suddently realize that he can understand every animals (some kind of gift). Of course it is only fiction but I was wondering if there are any people who claim that they can do so. I don't really need an answer for that; I was just curious on the topic. Thanks for your reply anyway,

Take care,

[jonmou]

I have heard of psychics who claim they can communicate with animals.  As far as the validity who knows.  Its the kind of deal that you see on TV with anyone who claims to be psychic, take is with a grain of salt.  But I mean really it can't be that hard to communicate with an animal that wants either food or attention.  

[Adrian]

Hello everyone,

I have heard of psychics who claim they can communicate with animals.  As far as the validity who knows.  Its the kind of deal that you see on TV with anyone who claims to be psychic, take is with a grain of salt.  But I mean really it can't be that hard to communicate with an animal that wants either food or attention.  

In the Astral it is possible to communicate directly with animals, and certainly cats and dogs. People in the Astral, the "afterlife" have pets just as people do in the physical world and they "talk" with each other.

People in the material world seem to automatically assume that just because animals are not equipped with the same speech equipment as humans they must be inferior in some way or incapable of communication. In fact in the Astral, as all communication is by the Mind and not subject to physical restrictions, animals and humans talk to each other just fine.

As I discuss in my book, with examples, even plants can communicate at their level, and are perfectly capable of knowing what is happening around them.

Humans generally are so centered on material things and in particular believing themselves to be so superior, that they would never believe this.

Best regards,

Adrian.