Conciousness shift in animals after death

[rudiger650]

Welp MY beagle can be pretty damn greedy, and when he gets mad he gets pretty vicious. Sadly we used to hit him because he barked so much and we didnt know what else to do (we even tried a high pitched collar the beeped whenever he barked, but he just kept barking and shaking his head, and the beeping just added to the noise!). Maybe that has something to do with the viciousness (we've since figured out some nonviolent alternatives). But he still barks and growls and stuff, i think because he knows it works.

On the flip side my dog actually hugs, well okay i do most of the hugging, but  he puts his head under my chin.

You gotta wonder though, is it unconditional love, or is it a method of survival for them? Dogs have been bred, and survived, and rather unnaturally selected (by humans) for different purposes depending on the region, but the CUTE ones were selected for their cuteness, and the CUTEST ones were the ones that got picked and fed and taken care of, and given the right to breed with another CUTE animal that won that right.
They know there cuteness gets them fed, just like a wolf knows killing something will get tHem fed.

So really if we're on the same evolutionary path then animals are still grappling with a very heavy survival instinct. Whereas we've sort of got a bit of that mixed in with the brainwashing commercialism.

You know I've completley forgotten what my point was,
Keith

[Lovebostons]

OH HECK. there we go again....humans thinking we are so terrific, so evolved, know everything....bla. bla, bla...

From what I have experienced in my lifetime animals are far more evolved than we are....and they are innocent.  How many of us  can say that?  I'm not worried at all about whether or not animals are in the afterlife...they are more worthy than we are...so if we are there...they are there.  As for the apes...they got lazy and didn't evolve?  They are apes, we are humans...we evolve within our own species.  Apes are now learning sign language....evolving?  Who knows.  How do we explain the humans born mentally retarded?  Did they not evolve to our satisfaction because they got lazy too?  I think learning "unconditional love" for all is our lesson and most animals already got that right....some are still "evolving" just like us.

[rudiger650]

I dont think animals love unconditionally as any sort of generalization. And I think animals can be full of fear just like we can be.

I see nothing humanistic about the way Adrian explains the heirarchy. He never said humans were the best being in the universe. What we (every partical of conscious life) have in common as entities is our potential to evolve.

Are humans higher evolved than animals? The question to add to that would be..."to what end?" But it doesnt really matter because we should all be taking care of eachother without fear. Something that can be hard to do.