Complete, incomplete and seemingly complete contradictions of Adrian

[Talker]

Indeed Ziggurat, Must agree with Talker on this,

I have been told and have witnessed others being told to "Check the love vibe". We all have to do it from time. No biggie, just check it and keep moving on, certainly sky has the spiritual constitution, I understand that you are trying to say however, "keep building up your spiritual storehouse and you will eventually understand", but I am not sure the choice of words reflected that.

Sometimes we all mis communicate. Great Love to the "Z" man and also Sky.

Namaste

Thank you Kadensnga, for so beautifully pointing out, that which I had failed to do. I fully understood what was lovingly intended, and do apologize to Ziggurat for the omission.
Ah elusive perfection, I welcome and await your arrival.
Be Well

[Kadensnga]

You didnt leave anything out Talker. LOL I am laughing at just the thought of you forgetting about a love vibe in any way...lol YOU are the "love maestro"!

Simply supporting your intention that's all, and adding more building blocks with you.

It's not the first time anyone has been reminded to check vibe, and it's all in love with acceptance being a given...

Namaste "love maestro".

[Ziggurat]

I have been profoundly misunderstood, and the crux of my post may have been deliberately ignored.

Some statements, once we attain a certain spiritual constitution, can be understood according to various depths. In other words, as we evolve in our Spiritual journey, we will be able to connect on a psychodimensional level transcending semantics.

Hence, what we may see as a contradiction now, we might not view it as such further down the road.

My Genetic fathers approve of the wording of my previous post. Henceforth, my conscience and Higher conscience stand clear.

In Harmony we Blend.

All the Love.   

[Kadensnga]

It is good that your conscious stands clear.

I am relating the way I understand. Perhaps I too have a long way to go before having the spiritual aptitude to assimilate such things.

I don't think anyone wants you to have a bad conscious... or "deliberately" ignore the point... however there are higher levels of communicating certainly. The highest is to meet a person at their own level of understanding and work from there, and for them to feel the vibration of love and admiration throughout the process, never feeling under par, or less than in the process. It is the meaning of "namaste", in perfect understanding there is no hierarchy... 

You are a great thinker Ziggurat. I appreciate you.  Perhaps we are the voice of your "non genetic father"... lovingly offering assistance in your effort to help sky feel valuable and equipped...

[xxxLOGICxxx]

How about we meet, or at least learn people's first names before we judge their spiritual experiences with such an expertise standpoint? 

Any-who, One thing I've come to realize is that not only can colorful wording of wishful thinking be full of big words, drawn out unnecessary figurative expression & metaphors be unproductive, (which is obvious to most people, commonly called "bullsh*t"), it can also produce different positive & creative trains of thought if utilized with enough mind power, faith, and logic.

Oh and Ziggurat, I understand what you meant, basically telling me to search from "within", but you did not answer a single question which is why I made the thread in the first place. A better understanding is good, but just excepting the reality that Adrian (as does most people) makes big mistakes once in a while is more realistic. 

I was actually hoping for someone to write something along the lines of "Adrian found out plants don't mind being somewhat eaten, but do mind being killed. And they enjoy the picking of their seeds (Fruit). It was sent to us in a bonus newsletter" (as in something i missed)

My own imperfections/reflection on this website have nothing to do with answering the topics at hand. Once you mention my screen name you are no longer addressing the concerns about Adrian's teachings.

[Mina-Laura]

How about we meet, or at least learn people's first names before we judge their spiritual experiences with such an expertise standpoint? 

My first name  given to me by my biological parents is Mina-Laura - people usually call me Laura. So ..nice to meet you  ...er...xxxLOGICxxx  ?!?

Any-who, One thing I've come to realize is that not only can colorful wording of wishful thinking be full of big words, drawn out unnecessary figurative expression & metaphors be unproductive, (which is obvious to most people, commonly called "bullsh*t"), it can also produce different positive & creative trains of thought if utilized with enough mind power, faith, and logic.

Oh and Ziggurat, I understand what you meant, basically telling me to search from "within", but you did not answer a single question which is why I made the thread in the first place. A better understanding is good, but just excepting the reality that Adrian (as does most people) makes big mistakes once in a while is more realistic. 

I was actually hoping for someone to write something along the lines of "Adrian found out plants don't mind being somewhat eaten, but do mind being killed. And they enjoy the picking of their seeds (Fruit). It was sent to us in a bonus newsletter" (as in something i missed)

My own imperfections/reflection on this website have nothing to do with answering the topics at hand. Once you mention my screen name you are no longer addressing the concerns about Adrian's teachings.
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Adrian doesn't kill plants. He eats roots - those have the potentiality of life in them, but not yet awaken to life (very much like seeds...like the DNA..the code on which the Life Force Energy builds life), he doesn't even eat leafy parts because he doesn't want to hurt plants.

I understand about your concerns I guess everybody has those at some point. Facts and arguments are not as important (there is no absolute way of looking at the truth) - however what really counts is the attitude one has towards it.

I suppose we don't entertain debates and arguments, we (and Adrian) offers a blueprint for understanding life..reality. If it suits your intelect then it will reach a cord in your soul.

The imperfections observed without are the imperfections within.

Have a great day.

[Mina-Laura]

"xxxLOGICxxx", you, sir, lack the spiritual constitution enabling you to fathom the Quintessence of Adrian's logic.

Only after you delve into your inner world and embrace the Quintessence, you will be able to sense the Spiritual Power flowing within Adrian, and endeavor a better understanding of his words.

I have been profoundly misunderstood, and the crux of my post may have been deliberately ignored.

Some statements, once we attain a certain spiritual constitution, can be understood according to various depths. In other words, as we evolve in our Spiritual journey, we will be able to connect on a psychodimensional level transcending semantics.

Hence, what we may see as a contradiction now, we might not view it as such further down the road.

My Genetic fathers approve of the wording of my previous post. Henceforth, my conscience and Higher conscience stand clear.

In Harmony we Blend.

All the Love.  

Dear Ziggy,

I have a lot of respect for your power of understanding. Yes the truth and wisdom stands out in what you said, however very much like myself when you let your good intentions out, the 'delivery' of the material may create pain in the unprepared.

My recent lessons as a mother and my past lessons as a daughter to my mother helped me understand that most of the time is not about who is right and who is wrong and how correct something is - but rather what wave it creates in the fabric of the universe.
Hence all the truth and righteousness is worthless if the delivery of such ones causes pain in others. We are all at different stages on the path, and it is in our duty to 'observe' and predict the emotional response our actions might cause.

"The road paved with good intentions, but tactless delivery might not end up where we might think it will." The end goal is what is good for All.

The crux of your post was well understood and its value acknowledged.
A great part of the humanity soul is not yet prepared to get it in at the core, patience is required in such instances. Understanding and compassion.

When logic fails unconditional love bridges the lack. I can see the love in you. It is activated now!

Namaste to your Genetic fathers.

[juliainkc]

I understand about your concerns I guess everybody has those at some point. Facts and arguments are not as important (there is no absolute way of looking at the truth) - however what really counts is the attitude one has towards it.

I suppose we don't entertain debates and arguments, we (and Adrian) offers a blueprint for understanding life..reality. If it suits your intelect then it will reach a cord in your soul.

The imperfections observed without are the imperfections within.

Have a great day.

Namaste Laura, Indeed, attitude it is.

Love you in Harmony Sister,

Julia

[xxxLOGICxxx]

How about we meet, or at least learn people's first names before we judge their spiritual experiences with such an expertise standpoint? 

My first name  given to me by my biological parents is Mina-Laura - people usually call me Laura. So ..nice to meet you  ...er...xxxLOGICxxx  ?!?

That wasn't in reference to you or anyone's screen name or actual name. I was just implying maybe getting to know someone off the internet before you judge them (even though judging isn't very nice and usually inaccurate). Like how Ziggurat wrote I lack "spiritual constitution".

Oh and Adrian actually put this in a recent newsletter.

"I use organic celery and cucumber to provide a good liquid base, typically juicing a whole cucumber or whole pack of celery, and then will juice tomatoes, spring onions, one or two whole bulbs of garlic, two or three chilli's, beets, carrots, and any other fresh organic vegetables I can obtain. There is no "recipe" - just make it up as you go along. Also there is no waste. Never cut off the leaves - just juice everything."

So he actually does eat plants alive -leafy parts included.

[Mina-Laura]

Dear LogicX


Ziggy was not judging you. He simply made a statement (failing to second guess it shall be interpreted as judgement).


About Adrian's diet. I guess I missed that so mea culpa - in a past Forum post he discussed with Louis and I about hurting plants. Although most of the stuff on your list are fruits with exceptions of onions and celery (gosh I wonder what is left there to eat? I suppose Louis had the right idea to become an air eater or something like that).

Regardless... I fail to see your point so please help me. What is at stake here? What is important to you - regarding food choices, in other words what is the sensitive spot? - I might have missed your preferences so I don't know. Are you a Fruitarian?

[xxxLOGICxxx]

Well first of all to think someone is lacking something is to judge them to a certain extent by judging whatever they appear to lack.  Anywho, i answered what you wrote, but I erased it as soon as I realized I'm just rewriting my first post. Just use my first post for reference.

What is important to me is doing the right thing.  I'm basically raw vegan (some nuts I eat are roasted, like pistachios) because I realized how bad it is to eat meats physically and spiritually.  Well if it is spiritually wrong to eat vegetables then I won't eat those either  So what is at stake is spiritual progression plain and simple. And yes, i realize we all live our own paths and technically there is no right or wrong, i get it. But I would like to take the highest vibrating route because I'm not "allergic" to anything and enjoy bettering myself spiritually.

[Kailaurius]

Hello Everyone ,

Wow!  I must really be busy these days.  I didn't even know this thread existed until today, hehe.  Somehow I seem to miss the really interesting threads.  I just wanted to say that I enjoyed reading through the replies.  Many wonderful responses here.  I cannot find anything more appropriate to say at the moment that hasn't already been mentioned here.

I would like to take the highest vibrating route because I'm not "allergic" to anything and enjoy bettering myself spiritually.

The only thing I would like to mention at this point is that as far as taking the highest vibrating route for myself personally is continually maintaining my focus on peace, joy, happiness, and Unconditional Love towards all life.  I realize that it is easier said than done, and that there is a lot more involved that stems from that.  One method I have been exercising for over 5 years now that has helped me greatly to maintain that focus is controlling the ego.  I can't say enough about the benefits that result from subjugating the ego.  For myself the 2 most important steps on this wonderful journey while in this physical realm has been controlling the ego and mastering all beliefs and belief systems.

One of the wonderful things about our journey through life is that there is no race to any "finish" line.  This is a work at your own pace life experience.  It feels really nice to know that it doesn't matter how long it takes.  Each and everyone of us will reach our ultimate goal without exception.  It doesn't even matter if you evolve through this great transition or not.  One way or another each and every one of us will evolve.  Unless a person chose not too, which would be silly, hehe.  That would be exactly like a person wanting to stay in kindergarten for the rest of their life.    Our life of course within this physical realm is just the beginning.  So much much more to experience after graduating from Earth.  So what do I do?  I just go with the flow and service as many individuals (not just humans) as I want or choose to.

I would also like to make a comment about our Inner Self sending multiple personalities throughout the Universe across many timelines as it relates to the physical linear perception of time for the purpose of gaining the necessary experience to achieve perfection.  It can be very challenging for us to understand the workings of the Universe.  That is why metaphors have to be used.  Metaphors are the most effective method for helping us understand.  What helps myself personally to understand the no concept of a past or future or just time in general is to realize that everything throughout the Universe is a waveform of energy containing infinite potentials all existing at once, forming and reforming to whatever we choose.  I like to visualize myself as a sphere of light at the center of a huge bubble of energy sending out countless probes of light to various parts of the bubble that I feel would give me the experience I need.  That's why I chose the avatar I currently use on this forum.    When the probes return if I feel I haven't gained enough experience I will continue sending more probes/personalities to other areas until I feel I am ready to move on.  I realize this may not be the best example of how our progression works, but again, it helps me understand a little better about the concept of multiple incarnations within a timeless state of existence.

I'm not sure if that answered any of your questions you had, but I figured I would give it a shot, hehe.  As far as the seemingly contradictory statements by Adrian, I don't have anything to add on that other than I just take whatever information that I feel to be true within me and adopt it as my own.  I know I said earlier in this post I didn't have anything to add that hasn't already been mentioned.  For some reason when I start writing, I can't seem to stop. 

[Mina-Laura]

Dear Logic,


My understanding is that what you observe in the outer world is purely a reflection of inner world. In the Universe everything exists - we as humans have this mechanism that filters stuff and we tune into reception of that which resonates to our being.
That mechanism is called RAS (http://www.make-your-goals-happen.com/reticular-activating-system.html).

So ..again.. my question doesn't require an answer (to myself) but was meant to provoke a self seeking within yourself.

I believe I used to be at some point in your state of seeking a "perfect guide" ... master... to show the way (of right and wrong),

... then you get tuned into finding imperfections that alert you to draw your conclusions in terms if that person is adequate to show you the way or not?!? ...
If that was the case we would not have free will. "the Matrix cannot tell you who you are" - you have to find that out for yourself.
In my own experience I realised that masters... enlightened people and such only point the way. It is us who need to do the inner work to become those points of self-sustainiung Light. We each may have a different ..uptakes on what that is - how else the Source can experience all there is?!?

Perhaps reading this might help? http://www.ourultimatereality.com/newsletters/300809.pdf

As you can see Adrian is always making references to such pointers. As there's no objective reality, in the end is what you make it to be, what you make yourself to be. I have to admit there's a bit of thrill at the thought of walking alone alas that we must do.

I see Kay is posting at the same time - just when I wanted to add that indeed the path of true spirituality is one of compassion.



243. Today I will judge nothing that occurs.

I will be honest with myself today. I will not think that I already know what must remain beyond my present grasp. I will not think I understand the whole from bits of my perception, which are all that I can see. Today I recognize that this is so. And so I am relieved of judgments that I cannot make. Thus do I free myself and what I look upon, to be in peace as God created us.
~ from today's course in Miracles



To end this, after your last post I got what you were looking for.. see, very much like Ziggy appearances would have indicated that you were judging...Complete, incomplete and seemingly complete contradictions of Adrian - which is simply not true..right??

[juliainkc]

Good Day Everyone,

Wow Laura!! Awesome and Heartfelt expression. Namaste my Beloved Sister. I AM ONE with you on this idea.

Kai, LOL!! Understand the Flowing of Spirit expression. Namaste my Beloved Brother.

In all honesty, until we really understand the why we are doing what we are doing as in from which perspective ~ outside looking in or InSide looking out well we will create according to which 'side' we are building from.

Choose the side that is Eternal and Immoveable while everything is moving all around us. We don't lose our SELF in the mix.

InLightenment is a very, very Intimate experience. And once experienced to a deeper 'degree', IT makes so much more sense to LET GO and LET (BE LED) by whatever you call your Highest SOURCE of LIFE Energy LIVE you by BEING YOU ...

Which one of you would I leave out? hmmm ...

Love to All,

Julia

[Larry]

Nothing you eat, think or do will bring you closer to Source. All discourse is mental master bation.     Larry