Complete, incomplete and seemingly complete contradictions of Adrian

[xxxLOGICxxx]

Hi everyone, obviously I hold Adrian's opinions on things with high regard or else I wouldn't even be on this site, but there are some contradictions he makes that I would like someone to clear up for me and the others who put trust in Adrian's guidance.

I just read his new newsletter for this week and i quote:
"I juice mostly vegetables of all types. Keep in mind that vegetables contain varying amounts of water. I use organic celery and cucumber to provide a good liquid base, typically juicing a whole cucumber or whole pack of celery, and then will juice tomatoes, spring onions, one or two whole bulbs of garlic, two or three chilli's, beets, carrots, and any other fresh organic vegetables I can obtain. There is no "recipe" - just make it up as you go along. Also there is no waste. Never cut off the leaves - just juice everything. I usually drink a pint of juice at a time, once or twice per day. The nutritional and enzyme content of that pint of juice is absolutely staggering - rocket fuel for the body with all the most profound benefits. I also juice fruits from time to time but keep them to a necessary minimum because fruit generally contains nowhere near the nutrition of vegetables. Juices, particularly citrus juices of oranges etc are acidic which is an adverse environment for the human body. Vegetables alone provide all necessary nutrients including vitamin C."

even more

"The only true food is natural, whole, organic plant based products - nothing else will really do. Eating for nutrition should always come before eating to gratify the senses of taste and smell."

Last time I checked plants were "aspects of ourselves", and we shouldn't harm them because "they have intelligence"

I quote from his vegan diet newsletter:
"In terms of diet I am a strict Vegan. By "strict" I mean that I only eat a strict Vegan diet of "harvestable" foods such as pulses; i.e. peas, beans, grains etc., fruits and fungi such as mushrooms which are also a fruit. I mostly eat fruit, nuts and berries.  I never kill a plant that grows in the ground such as a lettuce for example, which is exactly the same as killing any other form of life as we will see later in this newsletter."

more

"Plain and simple plants are intelligent, have emotions and can think.This then is one reason why I personally choose to respect the right of all plant life to live, grow and evolve in the physical Universe, just as I respect the right of all manifestations of The Source, The First Cause, God, to live, grow and evolve in the physical Universe."


Another very notable contradiction, is that he is clearly against the bible, and even refers to the new testament as basically a ploy for Constantine to gain power over his Roman pagan people. Adrian even says the new testament is mostly made up:

"So whoever wrote down the texts of what would become the original Gospels, probably lost most of the true life and times of Yeshua - the true Jewish name of "Jesus", which was the Greek name assigned to him, right there, and much of Yeshua's true teachings lost in transliteration upon transliteration, misinterpretation, by misinterpretation, deliberate alteration by deliberate alteration. Later it was transliterated to Latin and eventually into medieval English which is where it remains today for effect. All those "thee's, thou's, hath's" etc sound much more convincing than their modern day English equivalents which would not have the same mystery about them. It is all of an immense, extremely clever but equally damaging ploy."

"So from a fundamental perspective, the New Testament became totally corrupted, even it it represented an accurate account of biblical events in the region to start with which is highly doubtful - much of it would have been myth, glorifications of events and anecdote."


I've quoted enough, but one other concern is how he uses so many quotes from the bible, one's I'm sure are in the new testament, to give lessons and such.  What's the point of using material that is unusable to get a point across, are some quotes then valid in there own right? or maybe because so many readers are "bible-obsessed" to the point of which using the bible would be the easiest means of giving them a way to comprehend the lesson at hand? Or are only the Matthew, Mark, Luke and John chapters valid?

What in the world is going on here   I don't mean to sound rude or as if i'm an "Adrian basher" whatsoever, I am just curious and kind of concerned to a certain extent. Obviously no one is perfect, and I have most definitely found Adrian to make little contradictions hear and there, but this weeks newsletter lead me to making this tread to clear some things up. Another contradiction which I won't be quoting (but will on request), is how he says that the energy we need to feel alive and active comes from universal life force energy and we don't feel energized from our diet, and then he goes and says that our diets are crucial to feeling energized because they give us more energy to utilize for things like astral project and etc. in other articles(I know for a fact sugar gives you some kind of energy that wasn't there before you ate it) Maybe foods are boosts and U.L.E. is like complete better state of well being?

[Mina-Laura]

Dear Logic,


As we create our own reality - the above mentioned title (Complete, incomplete, seemingly complete contradictions - and all related) are a reflection of inner changing and findings. So, we are poised to observe in others in-completion that is in us. This is a good thing as it is a step towards finding your unique voice - as long as the stance doesn't fall into judgement.

As you find within answers to your questionings your being evolves. Now how you look at such questioning? by trying to find your own answers or by trying to prove in-congruences in others?

Ultimately as Adrian said "take what rings true to you".

For myself the value of food for Self comes second after the value for all life on Earth.  As long as we live here in this dimension we can never be free of eating by not harming others - whatever life they make take. 
The idea is to minimise this, however the value stands in your attitude and respect towards life in general.

About Bible: Adrian's efforts is geared towards those for whom biblical words were filtered through biased clergy. I personally find the Bible very illuminating, especially after learning esoteric teachings and the ciphers, Kabbalah for instance brings everything in a total different picture. Bible was never meant to be taken literally. Every story is a code to human physche, soul and portal to Spirit - if read with proper understanding.  For Yeshus, Christ and related we discussed this subject in another post.
http://www.ourultimatereality.com/forums/who-is-jesus-of-nazareth-t1067.0.html

[xxxLOGICxxx]

That doesn't answer either concern even though I am happy someone at least attempted to clear things up, and I do thank you for that. You always have genuinely good and useful input

"As long as we live here in this dimension we can never be free of eating by not harming others - whatever life they make take." Adrian said he ate things of the earth that are provided from the source, that don't harm other beings such as plants because we don't need to and we must respect all forms of life. Now he says we must eat mostly plants and he does also.

the link you just posted even contradicts yourself Mina-Laura

"The real Jesus spent 30 years preparing with the Essenes, a mystical Jewish group, before commencing his "ministry". The New Testament is corrupt beyond redemption - we only know Jesus in that context through the inner meaning of his teachings and through his earlier years as recorded in Aramaic. The Dead Sea Scrolls provide an exceptional insight in to the Essenes."

why would you even want to acknowledge a tool of corruption (deceit) if we are all here for spiritual progression? You could say then it has "hidden meanings". You could say anything in existence (a bowl of soup or a cartoon show) has "hidden meanings" if you had the imagination and faith in it to believe in them.

One more major concern I would like someone to clear up for me (which is probably easiest for someone to explain to me), Adrian stated that the higher self needs certain experiences to spiritually grow. I understand that. Then he says that the higher self will send another incarnation out if you don't do or accomplish these experiences. Well from what I read is that the higher self has lots incarnations throughout time and in the now for each one. That is contradictory because if time doesn't exist how can the higher self send another incarnation "after" me?

On top of all that if the higher self can't tell the future (which Adrian said if it could it would be biased), that means it can't comprehend much because there is always an incarnation given a certain point in time, which is another contradiction.

[Mina-Laura]

Dear Logic,

There is no such thing as contradiction See the thing is that when we employ the logical brain we cannot possibly grasp the spiritual significance.

I would think that The New Testament is rather incomplete, and I believe that`s what Adrian tried to convey. Truth is that without esoteric knowledge the whole Bible is nothing more than stories that with changing times can only make that much sense.

About Higher Self and incarnations: Time exists only in this dimension - at the point where Highere Self resides there's no such thing as time. Today, 2000 years ago, and many years in the future for us is all happening at the same time.
From our level we cannot possibly perceive the sophisticated mechanism of 'above' or in spiritual world. Even the few that made it were at loss for words when trying to explain to humans living in physical realm.
You can imagine a very complicated computer that calculates infinite possibilities, chooses the most optimal ones so the Universe keeps its balance all at the same time.

About eating. In my opinion is best to eat as to minimise the impact we have on environment. Imagine as you were to grow and provide your own food sort of thing. The vegetarians and vegans I know ans spoke with become so only because it appealed to their Higher Self and way of being. Arguing from physical point of view won't get you very far. Is a thing of the soul (at least in my case).

[Kadensnga]

Brother and Sister,

May I share the words of the Prophet, with your kind permission and unconditional love?


....An old man, a keeper of an inn, said, "Prophet, Speak to us of Eating and Drinking."

And he said:

Would that you could live on the fragerance of the earth, and like an air plant be sustained by the light.

But since you must kill to eat, and rob the young of its mother's milk to quench your thirst, let it then be an act of worship,

And let your board stand an altar on which the pure and the innocent of forest and plain are sacrificed for that which is purer and still more innocent in many.

When you kill a beast say to him in your heart,

"By the same power that slays you, I to am slain; and I too shall be consumed. For the law that delivered you into my hand shall deliver me into a mightier hand.

Your blood and my blood is naught but the sap that feeds the tree of heaven."

And when you crush an apple with your teeth, say to it in your heart,

"Your seeds shall live in my body,

And the buds of your tomorrow shall blossom in my heart,

And your fragrance shall be my breath,

And together we shall rejoice through all the seasons."

And in the autumn, when you gather the grapes of your vineyard for the winepress, say in you heart,

"I too am a vineyard, and my fruit shall be gathered for the winepress,

And like new wine I shall be kept in eternal vessels."

And in winter, when you draw the wine, let there be in your heart a song for each cup;

And let there be in the song a remembrance for the autumn days, and for the vineyard, and for the winepress.

Great Love to all,
Kadensnga

[xxxLOGICxxx]

"I would think that The New Testament is rather incomplete, and I believe that`s what Adrian tried to convey. Truth is that without esoteric knowledge the whole Bible is nothing more than stories that with changing times can only make that much sense."
That's a decent explanation.

"There is no such thing as contradiction See the thing is that when we employ the logical brain we cannot possibly grasp the spiritual significance."
I don't agree at all, spirituality is completely logical and harmonious.

I understand your views on human diet because at the end of the day no one is exactly the same. But all in all that doesn't really have much to do with Adrian's change of beliefs. Especially since he always "knows beyond reasonable doubt"

"About Higher Self and incarnations: Time exists only in this dimension - at the point where Highere Self resides there's no such thing as time. Today, 2000 years ago, and many years in the future for us is all happening at the same time.
From our level we cannot possibly perceive the sophisticated mechanism of 'above' or in spiritual world. Even the few that made it were at loss for words when trying to explain to humans living in physical realm.
You can imagine a very complicated computer that calculates infinite possibilities, chooses the most optimal ones so the Universe keeps its balance all at the same time. "

Well none of that matters. Adrian said that the higher self cannot tell the future, but exists in it already. But for some reason sends channels out after we "die" to regain the experiences that we missed. If time doesn't exist for them they should know what to send out because it already happened. Which is a huge contradiction you didn't answer and simply said we can't understand. How do you know we can't understand? Adrian wrote Our Ultimate Reality, a book which is full of things most people would regard as "we cannot understand". If everyone thought that way there would be no understanding of anything.

[Kadensnga]

Dear xxxLOGICxxx

I am sure that Adrian's beliefs and perspectives change in and out of form just as any of us. He is simply sharing his perspective from the vantage point of wherever he is at a givin time in his thinking.

We must not forget that things aren't solid "this includes belief systems" we must allow life to be fluent, and change in and out of form as it pleases, observing with unconditional love, not expecting a fact to be "solid".

There is a difference between knowledge and knowing, you must look into your place of "knowing" to know what is right for you, and expect that it will change from time to time.

Understanding your connection to the supreme being means that life is not about rules... only "experiencing" ones self.

This goes for Adrian as well, and allowed with unconditional love from all that is.

Great love to my friend. You have fascinating knowledge of nutrition.

John

 

[juliainkc]

Dear xxxLogicxxx,

Wow my friend, you remind me of Thomas in the New Testament whom Jesus said, has no guile in him! You are genuine and open in your questions and expressions and I thank you for this Truly.

In observing your questions, I see you are going through the discernment process or the sifting and sorting. Darrell and I shared with Melody in one of the demons post on this idea of after following others ideas of what GOD is, we came to a place of finding by going through the process, that we did not believe in this way at all and we wept. First, for the idea that we had been 'wasting' our 'time and in a sense were back at square one. A kind of going around in circles momentary experience.

So, before the forums goes nuts in yelling crucify her! It's alright folks, been there and done that! And yet I still live! Wow. . . allow me to share what is flowing here.

You are being astute in your perceptive sensings and what this does, is show you that we are not to follow anyone. Only Divine leading which is in everyone. We came into this reality with IT 'firmly' Intact. This is our Higher Self which communes with 'GOD' or Source and IT is Eternal as is Source.

I can only share what was shown to me because I asked to have the Eyes, Ears, Heart and Mind of God at age 19, and that my vessel (body) would be the vehicle to express the Love of GOD with my words in this world to all I would meet. That was my deepest genuine and heartfelt 'prayer' when I experienced the Presence of GOD in my little itty remote home in the Hawaiian Islands. I found out several years later after this experience, that the housing area I lived in was built over a Heiau, a Holy place. How funny!!

Discernment allows one to see the inconsistencies in another aspect and it is for ones benefit to say, that's not what I am 'hearing' or 'seeing'. And something will show up in your outer world to reflect whether or not you are 'hearing' correctly. You are growing in your understanding of experiencing the REAL GOD ~ not God. Truth. This is for all of us including our Beloved Friend Adrian whom is also going through a sifting and sorting process. We share the same experiences that lead all of us to Home or GOD.

As I have shared in here many times, the Bible nor Jesus cannot be left out of the equation. I went into it because noone had issues with the other Spiritual paths except the Christians that is (whom had issues with all but theirs I noticed), and I wanted to find out why what this book and this man said caused such a 'negative' response in so many when it seemed he was the Ideal example of Unconditional Love and was 'killed' for IT.

I agree with Laura that the Bible can only be understood in its true message via Spirit or esoteric understanding. We see very clearly when we take something literally and how this can create an imbalance in ones thinking or ways of living. Such as making the Bible metaphysical yet (and it is the yet's or but's that create a separtion in its meanings), we give exception to the idea of the physical as in choosing what to eat or wear or how to present oneself in this world. How we present ourself is not the same thing as Being Present. The body only clothes the Divine. It is a carrier of our divinity. Made from clay. Had a birth date and . . .tba~

I have shared before that there is a 'psuedo spirituality' we can and do in moments follow and it is deeply deceiving. That is what this experience is for, to be able to discern this. How do I know this? As I shared above, I followed a false teaching for many years and when I was shown this, it literally rocked my world down to my core. It woke me up. I was stripped naked of everything I could attach myself to physically to be shown what I share as a result of my having had this experience. I had a 'Job' (in the Bible) experience that has lasted for just over 10 years and is in the ending stages now. And I left behind, mother, brother, father, friends, lovers, my children in title, my career, anything I could physically associate myself with as identifying whom I truly AM.

I was rejected by these ones because I did not look anything like myself to them that 'they' had pictured me as. The darkest and deepest night of this ones soul. I was in the earth after dying before resurrecting experience.

We think that 'ego' is not very smart, I say be wise and know that it is far smarter than we give credit to. And the only way to keep oneself from being deceived is to Invite or Ask for Divine Counsel.

I am not bashing Adrian if one thinks that is what I am saying. I have openly expressed here in the forums, my progress through the process.

It comes down to a personal relationship, relating with One's GOD. And that is why Paul shared that man is without excuse (ignorance is not an exception) because we all carry Divine GOD within and it is up to us to wake up to our Direct Connection. Not to incur fear. Fear is not what is felt in The Presence. Love is felt and Peace in knowing that we are all Divinely Guided, Guarded and Protected. The only thing that keeps 'any one' from this is pride and arrogance.

I refuse to acknowledge that I have been in error or that I may be 'wrong'. We associate so deeply our 'need's needing to be met in another and this is what GOD desires to remove so that we can tap into the Eternal Stream and be freewilled beings whom have no need of another. We can freely choose to be with another based completely on the sheer Joy of experiencing the relationship. Free to Be ourself with another Self who is Free to Be.

It is not through what I or Adrian or any other speaks to you. It is what is given for you to know through communing, having a One on One with your 'Heavenly' Parent whom Loves you beyond this worlds ways of expressing love. And it does not ask you to do anything but receive and InJoy this Love. You will know you have tapped into it by the depths of Peace you have in the very depths of your being. Truth.

This is what is flowing through for you xxxLogicxxx. May you be given ears to hear, eyes to see behind the meaning being shared here and Be Divinely set free of this illusion and now walk in it in your GOD given Power. You already know what to do. Trust IT.

InJoy this day my Beloved friend,

Love in Divine Spirit,

Julia

[zensunni7]

Contradictions take place in the mind of the observer.

[Skyalmian]

Quote: "Well none of that matters. Adrian said that the higher self cannot tell the future, but exists in it already. But for some reason sends channels out after we "die" to regain the experiences that we missed. If time doesn't exist for them they should know what to send out because it already happened. Which is a huge contradiction you didn't answer and simply said we can't understand. How do you know we can't understand? Adrian wrote Our Ultimate Reality, a book which is full of things most people would regard as "we cannot understand". If everyone thought that way there would be no understanding of anything."

This bugged the crap out of me as well. Yet another something that "cannot be understood". Linear time as it is has always bothered me when made to stand beside timelessness and multiple timelines. I gave up in trying to understand the explanations on it, but then later came across Montalk's E-Mail Q&A:

» My understanding is, all “Time” (the Past, Present and Future) is happening “Simultaneously” on different “Frequencies.” That’s why time travel is possible. To go to the Past or the Future, one must simply enter that particular frequency. Is this true or false?

Linear time is an illusion in the sense that all alternate pasts and probable futures along with parallel presents exist simultaneously. It’s just a big, complicated, set of possibilities frozen in a single eternal moment.

However, there is still a kind of “time” that separates one freewill choice from the one that comes after, that separates your less wise self from your wiser self after having learned new lessons. It’s just that those lessons and choices don’t necessarily have to follow the stream of linear time from past to future. They can span different timelines, different lives, go forward and backward in time, alter the past, change the future, shift in the present, etc…

Think of time like a large library of DVDs. All those movies exist simultaneously. But only as mere possibilities. Maybe some friends of yours have rented a few an are playing them right now, while the rest sit on the shelf. But it’s you and your DVD player that creates a sequence of what is played for you. And you can play them in any order, rewind them, pause them, etc… though while watching them, time within the movie moves forward. Is the time in a movie real? No, the beginning, middle, and end are simultaneous, unless you’re a character in the movie then it’s real.

Same with us… here in these physical bodies, which themselves are chained to the illusion of linear time, we see time as linear. But outside the physical body, outside this bubble, what was once a real and unstoppable motion of time may be seen as having been an illusion all along.

Illusions are real to things equally illusory. Therefore reality is illusion to those above the illusion, but real to those within the illusion. Linear time is real to us, but imaginary to us when we’re no longer our limited little selves down here.

»What do you mean when you say time is not linear?

By linear time I mean the perception that we move from the past into the future in a straight line, like dominoes knocking over dominoes, one after the other, on and on and on. So there’s a sequence that moves in one direction. Future becomes present, present becomes past. We think we can’t change the past or visit it. Time flows at a constant rate. That’s linear time. Linear because it’s like a line from past to future.

Non-linear time is like this. Imagine if you could slow down time. Or time travel to the past. Or position yourself above the line and view the past, present, and future simultaneously. And not only that, but it isn’t just one line, but a whole web of lines interconnected and branching, with different pasts leading to different presents and different futures. Where the past can be changed. Where there are different alternate presents. You can choose which alternate present (which alternate timeline) to enter into, you can see them all simultaneously, and the future and past are not any more different to you than, say, the left end and right end of a table which both exist simultaneously and whichever end you look at is the end you see.

I’ll make an analogy. In a novel, a book, the story usually flows from past to future. The characters in the book progress along a set sequence of events, along what to them seems like linear time. But you, the reader, can hold the whole book in your hand, containing the past and the future simultaneously. You can flip forward, flip to earlier pages, and the characters don’t even know you’re doing it. Now if you were the author, you could change the story too, change it earlier and modify the story from that point on into the the story’s future. You are living the story via non-linear time, whereas the characters are living it in linear time. When you change their past, their “memory” changes and they don’t realize their story has been altered. But you do, because you’re outside of their story.

So we humans live according to linear time. There are aliens and higher nonphysical beings who live according to non-linear time. They can time travel, make little changes to our history and view our future (well, our possible futures, not necessarily the one we will surely take, since we still have freewill and the future is therefore open). So with the book analogy, it’s more like a choose-your-own-adventure book, where you can flip through it and see the alternate endings but don’t know which one a particular reader will take. But for the reader following along with the story, they’ll follow it according to the linear time that moves forward in the story, whereas when you just flip through the book willy nilly the story moves more with non-linear time for you since you’re viewing all possibilities in any order and at any speed of your choosing.

This may help.

[juliainkc]

Beloved Darrell and Sky and All,

Contradictions take place in the mind of the observer.

Indeed. Contra ~ in ~ dications ~ are equal to; 'suggesting (not inforcing) the necessity of an intervention ~ mmm

Outside of observing is I AM. I AM and SO IT IS . . . anyone else see themself in this statement?

Sky and All,

Forgive in advance for using 'controversial' text, the Bible says;

Man has but one life to live and then comes the judgement. That really bugged me back in the day. Truly. I was like, That is so UNFAIR!!! Who the hell has enough 'time' to get IT!!! Really, just letting you all into the progression of this one's way of in her Father's face expressing. And HE let me! How's that!!

Much like a parent of adolescent's, ah yes, well, I've been an adolescent child you have yet to be ME!! LOL!! Just my sense of musing or humor! Tough job being me Parent says!! Talk about 'You don't understand me at all!!' Hmmm anyone else ever felt or thought this way?

So, just musing here. Let's say we've all been around since mmmm, forever and decide to color it in a physical picture to give to our Parent. How we decide to express our LOVE and the sibling next to you get's the idea to say, that is so not IT. My picture is IT. And on we go ... And all the while Parent is looking at IT's children saying which one would I choose? Are you like your sister? brother? umm... no... so, what's your point?

Reincarnation!! Nice idea really. Perhaps IT is saying the physical picture is the final manifestation of how you see your position and I AM loving all my children and will make this clear to you all when you've all washed up from playing outside and sit you lovely bottoms down in your given seats and ahem!!

Shall we proceed with dinner?

Yes.

That's my my answer to the 'roll' call at dinner . . .

Just food for thought rambling in my way of musing ...

There is something for all at the dinner table. Take what speaks to you and leave the rest. ( Take what you like and hey, whomever doesn't like your way of eating, wellllll .... more for you  yes?)

Love you All,

In Divine Spirit extending in grace (unearned favor, you've already got IT),

Julia

[xxxLOGICxxx]

Skyalmian that was some delicious food for thought. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TDSLaDZHLo&fmt=18 is the first thing that came to mind as reading what you wrote

[Ziggurat]

"xxxLOGICxxx", you, sir, lack the spiritual constitution enabling you to fathom the Quintessence of Adrian's logic.

Only after you delve into your inner world and embrace the Quintessence, you will be able to sense the Spiritual Power flowing within Adrian, and endeavor a better understanding of his words.

[Talker]

"xxxLOGICxxx", you, sir, lack the spiritual constitution enabling you to fathom the Quintessence of Adrian's logic.

Only after you delve into your inner world and embrace the Quintessence, you will be able to sense the Spiritual Power flowing within Adrian, and endeavor a better understanding of his words.

Hello Ziggurat, and All,
Going to nip the tonal quality in the bud here. Please folks, try to put a bit of a 'smile' into judgements made. No intent to censor what is being stated in any post, but please try to avoid what may appear as a personal affront toward another.
Disagree from a point of love and understanding.
Often I have needed to reword a post, that would have started wars. My desire is to share and communicate, but I endeavor to do so gracefully and with love, and it just won't happen, when one is dodging verbal bullets.
Be Well.

[Kadensnga]

Indeed Ziggurat, Must agree with Talker on this,

I have been told and have witnessed others being told to "Check the love vibe". We all have to do it from time. No biggie, just check it and keep moving on, certainly sky has the spiritual constitution, I understand that you are trying to say however, "keep building up your spiritual storehouse and you will eventually understand", but I am not sure the choice of words reflected that.

Sometimes we all mis communicate. Great Love to the "Z" man and also Sky.

Namaste