Christianity is yet to be discovered !

[Talker]

Hello to All,
Have gone through the posts in "Our Ultimate Reality" Jan 21,2008 back to April 10,2005. Actually started with the oldest. What a broad spectrum of thoughts. Have bounced over the many rough spots and concepts posted there. Won't be in a linear manner here, but do want to say and express some thoughts.
Currently the world is in a messy condition.
There is still belief that it can be salvaged.
Mankind began awakening to truths.
Religion took over.
New religions and beliefs were being formed.
Mankind was headed in the right "Truth" direction.
Religions commenced taking control of mans beliefs.
Religious dogma starts setting in.
Taste of power over mans mind corrupts those in power.
The true reality of mankind is being "taught" erroneously.
Teachers of reality enter to correct mankinds thinking.
Mankind give the new teachers of true reality a hard time.
Smidgens of truth resurface, but some are still distorted.
New teachers teaching seeming truth enter.
Christianity commences.
Christianity gets distorted.
Distorted Christianity takes over.
New teachers teaching seeming truth reenter.
Christianity splinters into many factions.
True meaning of Christianity fades.
Some begin to realize what real Christianity is about.
Some actually start to live true Christianity.
Nothing wrong with true Christianity, only how its being misapplied.
Forums such as this one, become part of the reawakening process.
Reawakened "True Christ Spirit" will triumph.
The Kingdom of Heaven will exist as an inner and outer manifestation of True Christianity.
Ah yes, rambling on, but I've said it as I see it.
Be Well

[DH]

I would agree with most of what you say here.  I don't think that most of today's Christianity is what Jesus had in mind!

[Adrian]

Hello Talker,

Thanks very much for that - most interesting.

I would say that everything is accepelerating exponentially now, and what took 2000 years to get to this point, will take 2000 days to reach its final conclusion - one way or the other.  There is even an incredibly complex mathematical scenario known as the Auric Time Scale, which also oscillates in synchronisation with the Mayan Long Count Calandar that supports this. If anyone is interested in the 340 pages of equations in support of ATS please let me know.

And DH - today's Christianity is the opposite of what Jesus had in Mind. He came to point people away from deities and a focus on material things, and of course because few, not the least of which were the church, understood what he was teaching, it all went the other way.

Still "time" to reverse all that though.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[DH]

Still "time" to reverse all that though.

Right on!  I work with "church people", many of whom are "recovering Christians" in the sense that they are finally figuring out what Jesus really meant.

[Adrian]

Hello DH,

Right on!  I work with "church people", many of whom are "recovering Christians" in the sense that they are finally figuring out what Jesus really meant.

I believe the workd generally is beginning to wake up to the true menaing of the words of Jesus. I hear from many, including previously devout religious followers such as a Roman Catholic monk in a monastery.

He was struggling to see how the Universe agreed with the Bible. I suggested to him that this approach will always lead to lack of understanding and fulfilment. The only approach is to start with the Universe, and then reconcile the Bible and the words of Jesus with the Universe.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[DH]

The only approach is to start with the Universe, and then reconcile the Bible and the words of Jesus with the Universe.

So true.  That's the approach I've been using.  When open-minded Christians start to look at the message of Jesus, even as it appears in the edited gospels, and then compare it to other spiritual teachers of the past, they are amazed at how much of the same "truth" appears in all of them. 

Thanks for the observations, Adrian.  Grace and peace....

DH

[Adrian]

Hello DH,

The only approach is to start with the Universe, and then reconcile the Bible and the words of Jesus with the Universe.

So true.  That's the approach I've been using.  When open-minded Christians start to look at the message of Jesus, even as it appears in the edited gospels, and then compare it to other spiritual teachers of the past, they are amazed at how much of the same "truth" appears in all of them. 

Thanks for the observations, Adrian.  Grace and peace....

DH

I certainly agree with you. I think the main issue has been that people simply accept the religion of their parents on trust, never thinking, wanting or daring to challenge it, and therefore are subject to its doctrines for most of their lives.

Another motive, if not the main one, because it is the stick used by the religions are fear and guilt.  Because people have always feared "death", and in particular what will happen after "death", they go to church, worship a deity and "accept Jesus as their saviour" in the hope of being favoured and "allowed into heaven", without ever knowing what "heaven" is.

Times are changing rapidly however and people are beginning to see the Light, to realise that they are God and that everyone progresses to the inner worlds at the start of the journey of perfection back to Source from Whence we came in the beginning.

It would help if everyone knew who Jesus really was.  It looks, according to all the evidence available so far, that Jesus, or rather Jeshua lived around 300 years before his "official" birth.  We know this because he and his travels and teachings are mentioned in the Nag Hammadi library documents which have been carbon dated to that era, as well as other ancient records of the time.  This would help prove that Jesus was a great Spiritual teacher, but not a person who "died for the sins of mankind" or any other such notion.   The entire birth, death and resurrection sequence has been played out 16 times before Jesus, starting with Horus thousands of years before.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[juliainkc]

Hello Adrian and All,

First, Adrian, thank you for providing a common room to gather with like minded souls. (This Forum). I haven't figured out how to box the paragraphs yet!
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Your last post was affirming the truth for me and I can almost hear the Here! Here! as in agreement. Not that you need it.

The detox I received from 'religion' was in working within nature. What I discovered behind the veil is:

'Death' is a very necessary part of an endlessly alive cycle. It doesn't stop, like the Alpha and Omega. It's just a part of the (r)evolutionary cycle. Like the cycle of a plant. A seed 'dies or sheds off its outer shell (its purpose or turn of containing the life within is served in the moment) to allow the next turn of life already contained within to come forth and produce over and over again. The shell then adds its life back into the soil to continue to 'feed' the life it is constantly producing, it is a self sustaining system of a living energy by itself if we allow it to take its natural course. Nature is a daily reminder of the death-life-death-rebirth cycle.

It's our misunderstanding of its meaning and purpose that causes us to 'fear' it. Knowledge and understanding brings light to this truth.  Trees are an example of this with shedding their finished (death) seasons growth to make room for the new growth coming round again in its natural cycling. Yet, the tree is not dead in winter when its energy is now focused on the roots to assimilate the feeding of the nutrients gained from the last ending cycle, season or death. It's life cycle is coming round again within the same tree. Nature is an example of what the infinite is translating into finite. One is reflecting another. A zooming in and out of a picture on a much larger scale.

The mistranslation of death as I understand it is a fear based thought (a weed) that the church in their unwillingness to concede to the truth, 'plants' to place people into bondage (under their spell). It is a tare amongst the wheat and if allowed to grow will steal the nutrients from the soil inhibiting the true potential of the 'good' seed. The church 'needs or feeds off' people in a vulnerable state (seedling), making slaves of them to build and feed their power and control for corrupt gain, they take over the bed.  Again, the old testament is a picture of what we are capable of creating when we do not realize our true source of power and forget who we are, because if we learn to discern and recognize the difference between a weed and a 'good' plant we can then pull it out from the root.  What a clever way to deceive than to plant the weeds amongst the good seeds and then rob the nutrients that belong to the host plant. They have managed to hide the meanings of the words or switched the signs along the road. They are misusing their power by over taking.

Without the knowledge of our true power source what is then created is a lie, weakness created by fear and manipulation (guilt seems to be a very handy tool, a whip). In history many of the 'common' people relied on those who could read and write to translate information and news for them because they (by devious circumstances created by corrupt leaders (sounds like our present day) were not shared with the opportunity to 'learn the language' Like a 'secret' it was kept from them. Withholding this information disabled or dis empowered them from being able to see for themselves thus removing the possibility of being able to access one's true power source or strengthening nutrition. It's a distraction. Look here, look there, while they bind you up in ropes and lead you away.

This dying on the cross for the sins of the world causes a lot of confusion. Jesus said he came to set the captives free and he did it by taking away the stolen goods (our power source) ( removing the bondage) from the corrupt leaders and putting it back where it belonged, in each one according to his faith could now receive their rightful portion back. He came to tend the garden and separate the weeds from the 'good' plants.  The 'leaders' saw him as a threat (weed killer) to their control and power (food) so they assassinated him. He however showed us it was impossible to die. And he popped right back up in the natural cycling of evolution. He reminded us that I am as you are and vice versa. Depending on a plants characteristics, there are those cannot kill by cutting off its top. It has roots that can grow for miles beneath the surface and cutting the top off only increases its potential to increase.

What I have found in my searching and studying for the meaning behind the translations is: the word 'sin' was introduced in King James time when the Bible was being translated into more modern terms. The English language doesn't always have a 'word' or expression to match the ancient terminology or meaning so they used a word that the people could relate to in their 'modern' times. I have heard that it was taken from an archery game played during that time called 'Sinning'. The idea being that if you missed the mark or center (X) you sinned. You won the game and rewards if you hit the mark spot on, and all the treasure was yours for the taking. Much like how a key is made to fit a specific lock in order to be let in and access what is contained within.

'Death' as I searched for the meaning behind the meaning is revealed to me by observing nature's cycles and what kept showing up was  metamorphosis. It is like a constant purifying process in the life cycle to lighten one's load if you will making it easier to rise, not an end of anything. It sheds the dung (what is not useful) to to allow the real sustenance to feed the life of the entity. It's like a filter and a doorway, not a shut door. A caterpillar is a butterfly that creates a caterpillar and so on.

So, and this is only my way of keeping things simple for myself, I read; Jesus died on the cross for the sins of the world as; Jesus metamorphosed (lives as an example of the eternal cycle that is alive and well in all of us and everything). He laid on the door to emphasize its importance that we are and always have been eternally alive and free.  He ripped off the covering (veil) or opened the seed.......

I know I write long thoughts. I appreciate your allowing my liquid language that seems to flow in the speaking of these things.

Be well,

Julia

[Adrian]

Hello Julia,

It is my greatest pleasure to provide this forum - especially when I see posts such as yours although of course every post is of value.

The Roman Catholic church beefed up their doctrines about "death" at around the same time they removed the truth of reincarnation as taught in the various books of the original cannon of the Bible.

The reason is that fear of death, and what happens after death is a main instrument of control over the populous. Keep in Mind that the Roman Catholic church had just one purpose - to maintain control over their empire as their military control was fading.

So the issues of whether their congregation goes to "heaven" or "hell", under the conditions they set out, became central to their doctrines.

I have truly lost count of the number of Roman Catholics that have emailed me either offering to "save me" or "send me to purgatory for all eternity".  I just thank them politely for their concern and leave it at that - their awakening will come when they are ready.

The iconic crucifiction is an absolute myth.  It is amusing that the church uses the symbol of a cross with a circle around the intersection without even knowing what it means.

The cross represents the cross of the vernal equinox - it comes from thousands of years before - and the circle represents the Sun - "the light of the world" etc, and  of course the "Sun" dies on the "cross" of the vernal equinox each winter, and then "rises" or is "resurrected" again.

Of course, at the winter solistice the Sun "dies" at its lowest peak of the cycle on 21 December, and then on 25 December the Sun starts to rise again, and so the "Sun" is "born" on 25 December.

The bright star in the East is Sirius, and the three stars of the belt of Orion that "follow" Sirius have always been known as "The Three Kings".   The Virgin Mary refers to the constellation of Virgo, also known in ancient times as "the basket of bread" which translates to "Bet le hem"

These are very complex subjects that I will write about once day, but suffice it to say that everything revolves around the age old battle between the dark and the Light - the same battle that is happening today as we approach 2012.

Suffice it also to say that the entire Jesus story is based around the same myths that have been doing the rounds in the region for 3000 years by that time, starting with Horus in Ancient Egypt - Jesus being the 17th in succession, immediately following the Roman god Mithra.  Constantine needed to maintian the same basic theme in order to secure the support of the populous for the "new religion", although Constantine himself remained a Mithraic pagan.

That is not to say that a great Master called Yeshua did not exist - because he must have done - no Roman could have faked the inner meaning of the Bible, but it does look as if Jesus lived around 300 BCE.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[juliainkc]

Hello Adrian,

I was away teaching a class to a group of 9-11 year children today. Enlightening to say the least. TV and conditioning has had a very huge impact on children. I cut off the cable service over a year ago when I noticed my children 26 - 2 yrs., sitting in a trance like state and not hearing me at all. Their glazed expressions said it all. So far no one has missed it.

Thank you so much for sharing your insights!! I do remember reading about these things you are speaking of here and I am fully aware that I have plenty of room for growing and learning in my understanding. I continue to look forward to sharing in this experience with you and everyone here. I use Jesus and the Bible as an example a lot because while I have read many things I am not studied in them all and leave it to the ones who have a view of what I have yet to know and understand. I will tuck your gems of knowledge within.

Be well,
Julia

[DH]

The iconic crucifiction is an absolute myth.  It is amusing that the church uses the symbol of a cross with a circle around the intersection without even knowing what it means.

Hi Adrian,

I agree.  It's amusing to me that rabid fundamentalists don't know the pagan origins of much of their belief system!  But regardless of whether or not the crucification was historical fact, the idea that Jesus gave his life for others is a powerful metaphor for self-giving love which I believe to be at the heart of Divine Love.

And Julia,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.  This is a good forum to do that.

Blessings,  DH

[Adrian]

Hello Julia,

Hello Adrian,

I was away teaching a class to a group of 9-11 year children today. Enlightening to say the least. TV and conditioning has had a very huge impact on children. I cut off the cable service over a year ago when I noticed my children 26 - 2 yrs., sitting in a trance like state and not hearing me at all. Their glazed expressions said it all. So far no one has missed it.

I agree that it is both disturbing and dangerous. The powers of darkness who are seeking to take control before the transition, own the media completely including all TV, newspapers etc. The only thing they do not own is the Internet - a resource which must be protected at all costs.

Many programs, including childrens TV programs contain subliminal messages.

They also use a form of mass hypnosis. For example the so called "war on terror".

The war on terror was created out of the 9/11 false flag event by these dark forces to later justify "the war on terror" and the "homeland security act" - both instruments of control.  FEMA has almost unlimited executive powers to do anything if martial law is invoked including taking people from their families and placing them in labour camps thousands of miles, They can confiscate property and possessions as well as summarily imprison and execute - these facilities are already in place, and have been filmed.

The next objective is to have everyone injected with an RFID chip - again this is well in progress.

But the way this worls is that the general public must want these things to happen in the belief that they are being protected in some way from some fictious "terrorism" that they invented. So if you watch the news, which I suggest no one should do, the trigger word terror is used countless times by Bush and his accomplices as well as many others such as the presidential candidates.

They keep talking about "the war in Iraq". Of course there is a "war in Iraq" - the US, UK and their allies invaded Iraq and the people there are fighting for their own country and to repl the uninvited invaders who in reality want to control the oil supplies as wel as establish a base in the region.

Of course Iran is the latest target - equally as unjustified but much more dangerous.  No matter how much the neutral, United Nations investigators report that Iran is not making nuclear weapons, Bush keeps suggesting they are "hiding something" to start placing doubts in the mind of people as with Iraq.

As a matter of principle - what gives the US and its allies, not to mention places like Pakistan and China develop and deploy nuclear weapons, while denying the right of other countries to do the same?  In practical terms if Iran developed and used a nuclear weapon, the US would wipe Iran off the face of the Earth with a massive counter-strike. What would be the point in that from Iran's perspective?

This is how they will get people to virtually plead to be chipped and controlled - especially after any next false flag event.

Thank you so much for sharing your insights!! I do remember reading about these things you are speaking of here and I am fully aware that I have plenty of room for growing and learning in my understanding. I continue to look forward to sharing in this experience with you and everyone here. I use Jesus and the Bible as an example a lot because while I have read many things I am not studied in them all and leave it to the ones who have a view of what I have yet to know and understand. I will tuck your gems of knowledge within.

Be well,
Julia

It is my pleasure I assure you.

I too use the Bible extensively for two main reasons.  The first is the fact that the Bible, once the inner meanings have been revealed as Jesus taught them, the Gospels in particular contain very powerful teachings.

The other reason is that over 1 billion people already relate to Jesus, the Bible and God, so this is the best and quickest means of approaching them.

My position is that God exists, Jesus existed and the Bible is real - all I must do is to put everything in its proper context which is what I am doing.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[juliainkc]

Hello Adrian,

Will you explain to me how to put the boxes around the quotes?

Before I go further, I would like to say thank you to DH for your warm welcome and yes I agree, love is the foundation of who we are. I appreciate you!

I have never been much of a TV watcher even as a child. I always preferred playing and actively doing something especially outside.

What was interesting about this class. My intention (without being obvious) was introducing a spiritual concept through the use of practical application. Art. I am an artist and a designer and by nature a teacher. I brought in a picture of a mandala and explained that we would be exploring the possibilities of what they were able to create while looking only at the picture not at the paper. I introduced that this is about using your imagination. They were 'trying' as in afraid to let go! They weren't doing. I looked at what they were drawing (how they were seeing) and the size of their drawings were (and this was sadly true of most of them) 2X2 inches if not smaller!! Wow! Words came out like: mine looks; weird, ugly, etc.,  I can't.... In response I asked them a question, "According to what and who said?" For a brief moment I saw the wheels turning.

My purpose is to encourage them to know theirs by seeing them self as center (a current photo of themselves will be placed in the center of their mandala) and then by gathering and searching for images and words (feelings) describe how they see themselves being in health, relationships, dreams, etc., (from this current photo), these images and words will then be pasted around the outward spiral. A journal has been provided to allow them to observe what shows up from this creation. Red pencil is a question, blue pencil is an 'answer', yellow highlighter for something that 'really speaks' to them, an AHA!. I'm using terms with them as in game, discovery, imagination, etc.

I realized from this evidence that I have to meet them at the door and when they feel safe (no one is going to slap their hand) then I can lead them into their own discoveries. I'm learning to speak in their current language. I'm following my intuition as this opportunity 'showed up' when I asked for my purpose and calling. I'm going to introduce a game of drawing while blindfolded next and walk backwards.

My brother is the technological and scientifically minded one and he explained to me that the reason why people go into a trance state while watching TV is because they are in a trance due to the frequency being sent out at 6 gHz which is the same as a low trance vibration.   While we were discussing this my daughter who works with home furnishings stated that as of next year, it will be mandatory to purchase a flat screen HDTV if people want to be able to watch tv. Her company has already put in a huge order. Hmm...We are indeed being forced aren't we?!

Yes, I have been aware of the the war goings on as well as the chip for awhile (my dog who adopted me was found to have one implanted in his ear). Also the fiber optics which are in the flat screen tv amongst other things to be used for control by monitoring. I wasn't aware that the Internet is still 'safe'. I would like to know more about how to protect this interest. My brother would not agree regarding the safety of the Internet as he has been saying for years that we are being forced to use a computer system created by a monopoly. (The computer giants are becoming bedfellows). He says they are dumbing people down by controlling what they can and cannot do with their computers and he believes the new dumbed down versions are installed with mechanisms to monitor what you are doing. Again, I am very interested in learning how to protect our privacy.

Funny but my view of abundance has changed dramatically over this past year. What I thought was what I wanted kept showing up backwards and after much soul searching I laughed at the obvious. I have always said I liked traveling light. What is happening seems to affirm this. I am experiencing peace and joy while retrieving the bread crumbs of my true desires and I Am on a path that I recognize as familiar. I am being led off the main road and I am much more sure footed on my path.

I use a lot of metaphors regarding the Bible and Jesus and this life as we know it because as you stated most people have been exposed to these things in some way.

I sense in the people who are drawn to me that they are wanting to talk about these things (they are searching) by the questions they ask me yet, because they believe they are 'unlearned' with the language and don't 'know how' to begin they hold back.  I look in their eyes and see it. So, to allow them to open up I am able to relate to them in an non threatening way with a language that everyone can speak which for me was given through Nature's analogies. Everyone can relate to nature in their own way. It works!

Thank you Adrian, I support you in what you are doing.

Be well,

Julia

[Adrian]

Hello Julia,

To put quotes in boxes you do this but with square brackets [] instead of {} - I can't show you with square brackets otherwise it would produce a quotes box instead.

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Your methods of teaching are very enlightened! I wish all schools would teach these things, and in particular creative visualisation, concentration, deep physical relaxation and also meditation.

It is a fact, that as aspects of the Source to Whom we are connected as a channel of expression and experience, we have access to every bit of knowledge in the Universe in all planes in all eternity.  If children were taught how to access this information, by the age of 3, schools would not be necessary at all.  Most of the great scientists of the past freely admit they got their knowledge and inventions from "higher sources", and even devised methods by which to connect to those Sources.

Of course the Bible, and some of those who write Spiritual growth books are already highly connected to Source - this is the true meaning of inspiration or inspired writing, which is always totally correct, coming as it does, literally from the Source.

With great respect from your brother, the frequence of the trance state is the low alpha to theta - about 2 Hz to 6Hz.  I think TV tends to mesmorize due to other factors - it is not healthy though. Flourescent light tubes can have the same effect.

All of humanity is being dumbed down right now in readiness for the next phase of their plan - you only need to look at the focus of TV adverts to see that - it is all about vanity and materialism.  They will not prevail ultimately.

True abundance is not about money, it is about freedom, happiness, joy, passion and fulfilment at all levels, and of course Unconditional Love.

Thank you again for your excellent contributions and kind words.

Best regards,

Adrian.

[juliainkc]

Good Morning Adrian,

Thank  you for your assistance with the box quotes. 

[]Your methods of teaching are very enlightened! I wish all schools would teach these things, and in particular creative visualisation, concentration, deep physical relaxation and also meditation.[]

"To appeal to God is to appeal to the action of universal love. Love never fails to come when we call to it, but it will always seem to fail us when our bidding is self-centered." - My calendar greeting this morning.

Thank you for your encouraging support!! Throughout this past year, I kept 'running into' a friend who child is in the same grade and school as my grand daughter. We were able to 'finally' (right time) visit on the Saturday before this class after running into one another yet again, at the market. I said, there's a reason why we keep meeting. She teaches yoga and meditation. She has expressed a strong desire to work with me in creating these 'extra' curricular' classes. Synchronicity. The others are coming in the perfect time-space-sequence. Excited does not express how I feel. I have however decided that it will be offered within the schools yet maintaining ourselves outside the 'system' to avoid any state or government involvement.

[]With great respect from your brother, the frequence of the trance state is the low alpha to theta - about 2 Hz to 6Hz.  I think TV tends to mesmorize due to other factors - it is not healthy though. Flourescent light tubes can have the same effect.[]

What a wonderful way to correct one! I appreciate the fact that you have acknowledged that the error was mine! 

Again, I am opened to refining my 'knowledge' about these things and will tuck these things within.

[]True abundance is not about money, it is about freedom, happiness, joy, passion and fulfilment at all levels, and of course Unconditional Love.[]

 

"One doesn't have to be holy and healed to experience divine guidance. In fact, such guidance often comes as a result of pain and problems... When things are coasting along smoothly, we don't need guidance. The sudden flashes of intuition and dreams we have in our darkest hours, however, are capable of renewing our lives, changing our course, and mending a broken spirit." - Joan Borysenko

"To conquer (transform) fear is the beginning of wisdom.: - Bertrand Russell

As always, I appreciate you, Adrian.

Be well,

Julia