Christ an “Initiate”?

[Talker]

Hello Talker,

Almost shudder to think how it might be when I get old  (LOL) if I'm already slowing down.

You will only get old if you think you will

Our bodies are totally rebuilt every few years - that is a medical fact - but the body is rebuilt in accordance with the image we hold of our body in our Mind.

If you follow the advice of society and the stereotypical "signs of aging", then your Subconscious Mind will be only too happy to oblige.

Decide what age you want to be and let your Subconscious Mind know.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

Hi Adrian,
Am still chuckling with my above, age comment, as my Subconscious Mind has held me in good stead beyond the fourscore mark. No intent to mislead any with my age related comment.

That which you state is right on the mark Adrian.

Body activity at threescore is what I'm currently holding with and serves my purpose well.  Thought my profile had included my age, so I checked it out, NA, so I just left it at that. Life is so interesting.

[melody]

I personally have little doubt that Mary was an Essene initiate, who took Jesus to the Essene community for his early training and initiations in readiness for his public teachings as an Essene and of course incarnation of a high Initiate Master.

Hello Adrian,

Here is the Translation of the Nag Nammadi Library

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhlalpha.html

I personally do not see much connection in these texts to the biblical texts of the New Testament.

I use to know a Gnostic group and went to their presentations. Though they claimed to be the first “true” Christians, Chris was not in the forefront of their teachings. I was present a couple of times during their incantations when many spirits were called upon. I have no idea who those spirits were, but one thing is sure, that had nothing to do with Jesus or his teachings.

Just because some groups contemporary to Jesus must have recognized his statue and were open to listen and even absorb to some extend his teachings, does not imply that they were the first true Christians, or that Jesus was their product or their master.

This is what Wikipedia sais about Essens

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essenes

I also found this quotation quite curious: “Since the 19th century attempts have been made to connect early Christianity and Pythagoreanism with the Essenes”. There is in essence an organized movement to make Jesus less than what he is.

I looked through quite a few websites on Essenes but have not found any hard core evidence that Mary and Jesus were their inicitate. The writing about Jesus and Essenes are highly speculative. Also, Mary had 4 other sons. None are known as of any importance, and the same goes for all the Essenes or Gnostic initiates of all the times. How was a mediocre group able to produce such a gem as Jesus?

There is no evidence that either Mary or Jesus were Essenes’ initiates - beyond a hearsay - thought there are many theories and suppositions that they were, and what many people choose to believe. It would not be not very wise, in my humble opinion, to form a firm opinion beyond on this matter on the bases of the scanty material available.

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

I personally have little doubt that Mary was an Essene initiate, who took Jesus to the Essene community for his early training and initiations in readiness for his public teachings as an Essene and of course incarnation of a high Initiate Master.

Hello Adrian,

Here is the Translation of the Nag Nammadi Library

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhlalpha.html

I personally do not see much connection in these texts to the biblical texts of the New Testament.

I use to know a Gnostic group and went to their presentations. Though they claimed to be the first “true” Christians, Chris was not in the forefront of their teachings. I was present a couple of times during their incantations when many spirits were called upon. I have no idea who those spirits were, but one thing is sure, that had nothing to do with Jesus or his teachings.

Just because some groups contemporary to Jesus must have recognized his statue and were open to listen and even absorb to some extend his teachings, does not imply that they were the first true Christians, or that Jesus was their product or their master.

This is what Wikipedia sais about Essens

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essenes

I also found this quotation quite curious: “Since the 19th century attempts have been made to connect early Christianity and Pythagoreanism with the Essenes”. There is in essence an organized movement to make Jesus less than what he is.

I looked through quite a few websites on Essenes but have not found any hard core evidence that Mary and Jesus were their inicitate. The writing about Jesus and Essenes are highly speculative. Also, Mary had 4 other sons. None are known as of any importance, and the same goes for all the Essenes or Gnostic initiates of all the times. How was a mediocre group able to produce such a gem as Jesus?

There is no evidence that either Mary or Jesus were Essenes’ initiates - beyond a hearsay - thought there are many theories and suppositions that they were, and what many people choose to believe. It would not be not very wise, in my humble opinion, to form a firm opinion beyond on this matter on the bases of the scanty material available.

I agree that Nag Hammadi in and of itself does not actually "prove" anything except for the fact that the canon of the Bible was very selective, based upon the ambitions of Constantine for control through the instrument of the "new religion" that became the basis of the Roman Catholic church.

The point is, we cannot take a fraction of something in isolation and call it the entire truth, especially when it was so biased.  I am sure there are many ancient texts yet to turn up, including possibly the original text of the canon of the bible which would be interesting.

Gnosticism generally has become greatly misunderstood and mis-attributed. Gnosis is the science of Spiritual mysteries and truth, which was later appropriated by parts of the early Christian mystic movement.

True Gnosis is a major aspect of my own life and service.

That Wikipedia page about the Essenes is not that complete in my view. Wikipedia of course is put together by Internet users, any of whom can not onoy create their own pages, but also modify any other page, and there are no tests as to validity of the information or qualifications of the author to write on that subject.

I have seen many different sources of information on the Essenes and early life of Jeshua being a subject that interests me. In fact the original manuscript to my book, which was then 750 pages, contained a chapter entitles "The Legacy of Christianity" which I later thought better of. I wish people to learn for themselves by being presented with the facts, rather than by disproving the basis of their existing beliefs.

The fact is though, Jesus, even though he was and is a high Initiate and a Master, was still incarnated into a physical body in the usual way, as opposed for example being an Avatar or a walk-in.  This meant that the same conditions applied to Jesus as the rest of us including knowedge of previous lives and exactly who we are - this is so this knowledge does not influence us and compromise our freewill to learn by experience.

Jesus therefore required guidance in his early years within a group who could prepare him for his later mission by teaching him the basics of Mind control etc, and most importantly without being influenced by the outside world. There were very few groups that could provide that, and of the three that potentially could in the area, it was almost certainly the Essenes. Also it was the practice of that group to send an aspirant out at the age of 12 or so to put into practice what they had learned as part of their training. Of course ultimately Jesus knowledge and teachings came directly from his and our Father.

Regarding Mary - parents do not simply "lose" their son like that. Mary was chosen to give birth to Jesus and then introduce him to the Essenes of which she was also a part.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[melody]

True Gnosis is a major aspect of my own life and service.

Hello Adrian,

Do you actually belong to a Gnostic group? Or to some other organization that is concerned with Gnoses? Or do you have (had) a Gnostic teacher?

How would you define "True Gnoses"?

[melody]

The whole ... "resurrection" was a myth contrived by the Romans

Hello Adrian,

Could you please explain what you mean by that comments. As you must well know, each of the disciple's account in the New Testament ends with describing the Jesus' resurrection. Several verses (as Mathew 16-21, 17-9, 17-22) state that Jesus predicted his own death and his rising from dead = his resurrection. Are you saying that all those verses were later added by the Catholic church?

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

Hello Adrian,

Do you actually belong to a Gnostic group? Or to some other organization that is concerned with Gnoses? Or do you have (had) a Gnostic teacher?

How would you define "True Gnoses"?

No - I neither belong to a Gnostic or any other group. I personally believe that being members of any sort of group with a fixed doctrine is not the best idea because you immediately find yourself conforming to their group doctrines - religion of course is a very obvious example, but also extends to "orders" and groups of all kinds.

I have never had a teacher of any kind relating to my services.

"Gnosis" is concerned with the truth, and more specifically Spiritual truths which in and of themselves encompass a multitude of aspects, which in turn are included in my book.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[melody]

I neither belong to a Gnostic or any other group. I personally believe that being members of any sort of group with a fixed doctrine is not the best idea because you immediately find yourself conforming to their group doctrines - religion of course is a very obvious example, but also extends to "orders" and groups of all kinds.

I have never had a teacher of any kind relating to my services.

Hello Adrian,

You obviously do not consider it essential, and have not personally been "initiated" by any group into life mysteries. In like manner, Jesus did not have to be an initiate of anybody, including Essenes, to get access to Universal truth.

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

Hello Adrian,

You obviously do not consider it essential, and have not personally been "initiated" by any group into life mysteries. In like manner, Jesus did not have to be an initiate of anybody, including Essenes, to get access to Universal truth.

Initiation, at least true Initiation has nothing to do with Earthly groups of people who offer "initiation" into the group based upon standards they impose.

True Initiation is between and individual and the Universe bases upon actual progress in the quest for perfection.  You can read my article about Initiation here: http://www.ourultimatereality.com/the-mystery-of-initiation.html

Jesus was a high Initiate because of Who he is and What he has achieved during his own evolution.

His time with the Essenes was nothing to do with true Initiation as such, but rather a preparation for his mission later in life. How much of Jesus teachings came from the Essenes and how much was inspired is not known of course.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[melody]

The bible states that Jesus was “a priest after the order of Melchizedek”. This was the highest priesthood designation in the House of David since Jesus was David’s descendent. Jesus could not have been an ordained priest in the Jewish temple because he did not belong to the house of Levite and would not qualify for the Levitical priesthood.

“Priest after the order of Melchizedek” is a traditional Jewish concept, which had nothing to do with Essenes. The believes of the Essenes, though they might have undegone some changed, took root in pagan tradition, as did the old Egyptian and Druid believes. Jesus always spoke against pagans. So it is highly doubtful he had any association with the Essenes. And there exists no evidence that he did.

Here is more about the biblical claim as to Jesus being “a priest after the order of Melchizedek”.

http://www.claudemariottini.com/blog/2007/04/jesus-high-priest-after-order-of.html

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

The bible states that Jesus was “a priest after the order of Melchizedek”. This was the highest priesthood designation in the House of David since Jesus was David’s descendent. Jesus could not have been an ordained priest in the Jewish temple because he did not belong to the house of Levite and would not qualify for the Levitical priesthood.

“Priest after the order of Melchizedek” is a traditional Jewish concept, which had nothing to do with Essenes. The believes of the Essenes, though they might have undegone some changed, took root in pagan tradition, as did the old Egyptian and Druid believes. Jesus always spoke against pagans. So it is highly doubtful he had any association with the Essenes. And there exists no evidence that he did.

Here is more about the biblical claim as to Jesus being “a priest after the order of Melchizedek”.

http://www.claudemariottini.com/blog/2007/04/jesus-high-priest-after-order-of.html

The Order of Melchizedek is not a physical order operating within the physical world. It is a Brotherhood of Light based far within the inner realms at a much higher vibration, and Lord Melchizedek is the advanced Being who is responsible for that exalted Order.

All members of the Order of Melchizedek are Initiates of that Order, residing both within the inner realms of vibration and also incarnated on Earth, especially at this time as we approach the transition.  Initiates of the Order of Melchizedek are here on Earth to raise the consciousness of humanity just as Jesus, who was already a member of the Order of Melchizedek when he incarnated on Earth. All Initiates are still incarnated on Earth as mortal humans, unless they are an Avatar, and who still therefore require basic training in living in the physical world as well as preparation for their mission, in Jesus case by the Essenes.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[melody]

All members of the Order of Melchizedek are Initiates of that Order,... incarnated on Earth, especially at this time as we approach the transition. Initiates of the Order of Melchizedek are here on Earth to raise the consciousness of humanity just as Jesus,...

Hello Adrian,

Could you please tell us how do you know this? How do you know that there are right now Initiates of the Order of Melchizedek to raise the consciousness on Earth?

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

All members of the Order of Melchizedek are Initiates of that Order,... incarnated on Earth, especially at this time as we approach the transition. Initiates of the Order of Melchizedek are here on Earth to raise the consciousness of humanity just as Jesus,...

Hello Adrian,

Could you please tell us how do you know this? How do you know that there are right now Initiates of the Order of Melchizedek to raise the consciousness on Earth?

That particular question is very relevant and reasonable but suffice it to say I just know.

I know that might seem evasive, and I sincerely apologise for that - it is not intended to be I assure you, and trust that you will respect that.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[juliainkc]

Hello Adrian, Melody and Talker, And All ~

Just swapping some pearls, as one of my Beloved Ones expressed; do not ask me to cite my Source...

Essene - An ancient term of the sect of Judaism which birthed, raised and then followed the Master - Yeshua (Essene Jesus). Noted for their vegetarianism, communal living and healing art practices."

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Yes. Before he began to apply his mind only experiencing to including his heart, his generator or power source. His Life Knowing only Life ..., His Life Force Eternal Energy. Does food apply here? If so, which food?/ Does Earthly fleshly food apply to God Being? Just asking for clarification of which Being we are refering to here? Eternal, Untouched by Dust Being or the One that Identifies itself with labels such as Vegan, Vegetarian or Omnivore or Something more... Truly said in soft glowing Voice of Wonder as in what is this? Show me. I am open to you now.

Emanating Love as we already do, we just forget we are emanating IT. An Ascended Master (As Above) is here to Re -Mind ( change ones mind) of who One be? Or choosing to be in ego identification.

That's what one decides to Be by freewill. You all one in agreement with yourself have made your choice. So what's the option in this? How about not choosing which is defining a symbol of image or identity. A separation.

An Ascended Master is here to Mind your Minding of I Am. Is food ever an issue? Like a child I say what's food? This tastes good whatever IT is. Thank you. Unity brings Peace. Essenes? Jesus? Which attained Peace in this story?

 That's All. What this means to each separate ego identity and what it will take to recognize and Come Together as One, well...

Theory and Application are equals for experience. Balance aka Harmony. Can you feel IT NOW? 

Once on path, all separate thoughts begin to collect, become One. After the 40 days in the wilderness experience.  One really focuses on One thing.

To want One thing. The Peace of God, Tao, the I Am that I Am...

Will you open mindedly consider the All; any of All possibilities; that what was rejected (expelled, vomited by...fill in your own blanks)...in considering; the very Essenes Sterile Environment, he, as Yeshua denounced (to them) by thinking for himself that IT was ALLOWED (Free to spend One's Portion of One's Inheritance anyway One Likes) In Love recalling an Happy Ever After... leading to Happily Ever Ongoing) sitting and eating with the; UNCLEAN; the sinners, lepers, tax collectors and prostitutes.....h mm...? An Everything Goes, Un-(without ANY)conditional expectation being expressed here. Do I measure up to this? ... Yes and All are my equals. I would have no thing less.


Adrian, I am asking for clarity to understand where you see yourself standing on these statements;

 Do you or do you Not accept all? As One is in this moment? Vegan or Not Vegan. This is a reoccuring subject here in this forum with you my Beloved Brother.

I agree that Nag Hammadi in and of itself does not actually "prove" anything except for the fact that the canon of the Bible was very selective, based upon the ambitions of Constantine for control through the instrument of the "new religion" that became the basis of the Roman Catholic church.

Would this be based on One's interpretation?

Just asking.

The point is, we cannot take a fraction of something in isolation and call it the entire truth, especially when it was so biased.  I am sure there are many ancient texts yet to turn up, including possibly the original text of the canon of the bible which would be interesting

Just in case anyone is wondering, No. I am not 'challenging' Adrian. I am truly asking for clarification. Just like all of you being my reflection, Adrian is also my reflection. Namaste Adrian.

This all leads me to this...

Jesus being “a priest after the order of Melchizedek”.

Hmm....that has a familiar 'sound/ring' to it!?!



Yes, Julia  IS.

Alloved.