Can materialistic belief overpower supernatural forces?

[JohnClay]

from chapter 46:
".....children having been indoctrinated from an early age to use the five physical senses to the exclusion of their inner senses are often told to stop "imagining things", and eventually lose contact with the greater reality of the Astral worlds and of all the wonderful beings residing there."

In "The Holographic Universe", Michael Talbot said something similar (well at least in one of his recorded seminars - I haven't read the book) - he used to be about to see things in the sky - until he was told that they weren't there.

I get the feeling that magic and the supernatural works a lot better if there aren't any materialists around who only believe in the physical universe.

Perhaps their belief in physical reality isn't letting the influence of higher planes of reality through.

I haven't read much on the subject of magic and the supernatural... I wonder if anyone knows of books/sites which relate to these thoughts.

[JohnClay]

Related stuff from "The Holographic Universe"

155-56
"...Don Juan and Castaneda are in the desert at night searching for a spirit when they come upon a creature that looks like a calf but has the ears of a wolf and the beak of a bird. It is curled up and screaming as if in the throes of an agonizing death.
At first Castaneda is terrified, but after telling himself that what he is seeing can't possibly be real, his vision changes and he sees that the dying spirit is actually a fallen tree branch trembling in the wind. Castaneda proudly points out the thing's true identity, but as usual the old Yaqui shaman rebukes him. He tells Castaneda that the branch was a dying spirit while it was alive with power, but that it had tranformed into a tree branch when Castaneda doubted its existence. However he stresses that both realities were equally real."

[Adrian]

Hello John,

Related stuff from "The Holographic Universe"

155-56
"...Don Juan and Castaneda are in the desert at night searching for a spirit when they come upon a creature that looks like a calf but has the ears of a wolf and the beak of a bird. It is curled up and screaming as if in the throes of an agonizing death.
At first Castaneda is terrified, but after telling himself that what he is seeing can't possibly be real, his vision changes and he sees that the dying spirit is actually a fallen tree branch trembling in the wind. Castaneda proudly points out the thing's true identity, but as usual the old Yaqui shaman rebukes him. He tells Castaneda that the branch was a dying spirit while it was alive with power, but that it had transformed into a tree branch when Castaneda doubted its existence. However he stresses that both realities were equally real."

This is absolutely true - we see what we believe. Conversely, we are completely unrestricted Beings, having the full power of The Source within us - but that Power can only be realised if we believe it exists and is available in the first place.

Most people are so indoctrinated by the physical world, there is a deep seated belief that "things" can only be accomplished by physical force or intervention.  Similarly, and in accordance with the example above, if we doubt what we see, then it is not "real" to us. In this case if the person could not believe what he saw was an unfamiliar Being, then it would not be - he believed it was a tree branch and so it was.

This is why the "material world" that most people believe is reality, is in fact an illusion - although a very persistent one.

Infants have no such restrictions - they see the world as it truly is, and can therefore see fairies and other fairy tale Beings, and can interact with them. A child has no limitations and in theory of course could use the Law of Attraction effortlessly - they do not because they have not been taught what it is. Instead children are taught about the material world. From a very early age children are given tactile toys to encourage use of the physical senses, and later toys that mimic the material world, being taught that these are reality. Also, sadly, children are taught to "stop imagining things" which is just about the worst instruction a parent can ever give to a child.

There should be no need for "schools" because every fact and information that exists, has ever existed and ever will exist, as well as all the power to achieve anything, exists within - all a child or we need to do is to realise it.

We are Magical Beings - or should be - years of "civilisation" has changed all of that - for now anyway.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[L Lawliet]

At first Castaneda is terrified, but after telling himself that what he is seeing can't possibly be real, his vision changes and he sees that the dying spirit is actually a fallen tree branch trembling in the wind.

This is absolutely true - we see what we believe. Conversely, we are completely unrestricted Beings, having the full power of The Source within us - but that Power can only be realised if we believe it exists and is available in the first place.

Similarly, and in accordance with the example above, if we doubt what we see, then it is not "real" to us. In this case if the person could not believe what he saw was an unfamiliar Being, then it would not be - he believed it was a tree branch and so it was.

So your saying that I can get rid of something, or someone, just by convincing myself then believing that it doesn't exist? If I was to think as hard as I can that Gorge Bush never existed, and believed in that beyond possible doubt. What would happen? Would he simply fade away? Become something else? If I were t to convinced myself that the computer I am typing on doesn't exist and never did and this is all a dream or figment of my imagination. Then will the pc vanish? Will all of my post cease to exist for they never were in the first place?

This all doesn't make sense nor adds up . I understand this will happen on an astral level, so I've read. However the material world is just far too material. Buildings, cars, streets, cloths, plates, books, etc - were all man made creations from the materials already present on Earth from the start. Saying one dematerialize any material item is almost like saying one can dematerialize the planet itself!!

there is a deep seated belief that "things" can only be accomplished by physical force or intervention.

Well that seems correct because the creature didn't vanish so to speak, it merely became something else; tree branch..

[Adrian]

Hello,

This all doesn't make sense nor adds up . I understand this will happen on an astral level, so I've read. However the material world is just far too material. Buildings, cars, streets, cloths, plates, books, etc - were all man made creations from the materials already present on Earth from the start. Saying one dematerialize any material item is almost like saying one can dematerialize the planet itself!!

This does apply on an Astral level, or any level including Earth. There is only one "material" in the Universe and that is Energy, and only one fundamental Principle - Mind.

The same Universal Principles apply throughout the entire Universe, but due to the low vibration and high density of matter, and the effects of "space" and "time", it simply takes "longer" on Earth and requires more effort and focus.

The planet cannot dematerialise because that is a Thought Form of Source, God, not of humans.

Kind regards,

Adrian.