Black Holes?

[wavepsychic]

Hi Master Adrian!

I definitely do not believe black holes are collapsed stars. Galaxies can be seen to be created around them which indicates to me that there is considerable Energy, probably related to "dark matter" which acts as the source material for this creative process.  It doesn't seem to me at least likely that a star collapses and then a galaxy forms around it.

New galaxies are being created all the time, but the Energy comes from a higher vibration, as with the creation of the physical Universe, not because of an expired star which is an entirely different thing in my view.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

Scientist believe that smaller galaxies collided with other smaller galaxies and thats why there are larger galaxies. Of course there is problems with this because scientist try to measure how old the Physical Universe is and found a Super Massive black hole that they some how believe to be Ancient. They have not idea why such a Super Massive Black hole could exist so early in the Universe & I don't have any idea how they would know how big it was billion of years ago.

Here is the post if you'd like to take a look:
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/heavy_blazar_040628.html

Maybe Dark Mater is some kind of Natural Matter?

[Adrian]

Hello Wavepsychic,

Scientist believe that smaller galaxies collided with other smaller galaxies and thats why there are larger galaxies. Of course there is problems with this because scientist try to measure how old the Physical Universe is and found a Super Massive black hole that they some how believe to be Ancient. They have not idea why such a Super Massive Black hole could exist so early in the Universe & I don't have any idea how they would know how big it was billion of years ago.

Maybe Dark Mater is some kind of Natural Matter?

Mnay of these are just theories. I personally do not see the colliding galaxy theory as being true.

Astophysics theories tend to be very fluid as better equipment provides more data.  The "big bang theory" has changed numerous times and they still do not have it right.  Scientists look at the physical Universe for the origin of the "big bang" but of course it actually originated with Source, The First Cause as a Thought Form, and then progressed outwards through ever lower vibration and higher density until the physical Universe was created in one moment.

They cannot understand why the entire Universe is the similar temperature if the "big bang" originated at a certain point. The fact is there was no single point. The reason the temperature is similar throughout is because it originated from within and continues to expand from within.

Similarly I sm sure black holes are part of the creative process of the Universe - not an artifact of it.  If the galaxies came first - what caused them to form and what held them together? Black holes, dark matter and other such building blocks must have come first.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[Baki Hanma]

Hello Adrian

Hello Wavepsychic,

Scientist believe that smaller galaxies collided with other smaller galaxies and thats why there are larger galaxies. Of course there is problems with this because scientist try to measure how old the Physical Universe is and found a Super Massive black hole that they some how believe to be Ancient. They have not idea why such a Super Massive Black hole could exist so early in the Universe & I don't have any idea how they would know how big it was billion of years ago.

Maybe Dark Mater is some kind of Natural Matter?

Mnay of these are just theories. I personally do not see the colliding galaxy theory as being true.

Oh yeah , check this out Hubble Captures Crashing Galaxies!!! ..

[wavepsychic]

Oh yeah wink, check this out Hubble Captures Crashing Galaxies!!! grin..

Baki, lol I've already seen that. I've been replying to your post about it. I hope Melody see what Master Adrian typed because I was just trying to explain that to her 10 minutes ago on your post. That the Source is the big bang & its not a big bang, its a big thought. I guess she thinks the center of the Universe has a black hole in it. I don't know.

Maybe Dark Mater is some kind of Natural Matter?

I know I wrote that but I typed it wrong. I was thinking maybe Dark Matter is Neutral Matter. I thought that since Hydrogen is so simple and the most common element that it was the first manifestation of quanta in the physical. But maybe Dark Mater is Neutral matter (not Positive or anti-matter) is the first creation & if there is to much of it in one place a black hole is the result. Maybe space itself is Dark Matter. I don't know, just thinking.

[Baki Hanma]

I know wavepsychic , that was meant for Adrian's response:

Mnay of these are just theories. I personally do not see the colliding galaxy theory as being true.

[wavepsychic]

Oh I see, because he doesn't believe Galaxy's collide but I'm not sure what he believes. Scientist know they collide but that isn't the topic. Adrian doesn't believe thats what creates black holes.

My faith in Scientist is growing weary. I just watch the History Channels "The Universe". It was about the Big Bang and the end of the Universe. I did not agree with anything they said. There theories are becoming more foolish! They say that all the stars in all the galaxy's are going to burn out, and all black holes are going to vaporize. Even though they said that energy can not ever be added to or subtracted from only changed forms they said that the Universe would be empty! They also said that after a few billions of years the Universe would expand so much that the Universe would come to an end. Oh but yet there are other Universes that people can jump to. I guess they forgot that Uni means one. They even said when the stars burn out everything will move very slow and time would be slowed, that it would take you thousands of years just to have a thought. I guess they do not know that thoughts are faster then light!

The whole episode was just dumb. I also loved the part when they said that quantum possibility was playing a game of chance! Oh and quantum possibility can just rearrange all the base elements all just by chance. I know from my teaching from Master Adrian & my Tao center feelings that Elements have there own likes & dislikes that influence quanta. I can't believe how narrow minding science is, it was supposed to be the truth based on completely knowing! Now only deception.

On a side not, The Free Masons, Illuminati, & new world order controlling the news, and using subliminal messages on the public! This should be a new post all together.

[Adrian]

Hello Wavepsychic,

Oh I see, because he doesn't believe Galaxy's collide but I'm not sure what he believes. Scientist know they collide but that isn't the topic. Adrian doesn't believe thats what creates black holes.

No I do not. I believe that black holes are primary events not secondary events in the context of the creation of galaxies.

My faith in Scientist is growing weary. I just watch the History Channels "The Universe". It was about the Big Bang and the end of the Universe. I did not agree with anything they said. There theories are becoming more foolish! They say that all the stars in all the galaxy's are going to burn out, and all black holes are going to vaporize. Even though they said that energy can not ever be added to or subtracted from only changed forms they said that the Universe would be empty! They also said that after a few billions of years the Universe would expand so much that the Universe would come to an end. Oh but yet there are other Universes that people can jump to. I guess they forgot that Uni means one. They even said when the stars burn out everything will move very slow and time would be slowed, that it would take you thousands of years just to have a thought. I guess they do not know that thoughts are faster then light!

The whole episode was just dumb. I also loved the part when they said that quantum possibility was playing a game of chance! Oh and quantum possibility can just rearrange all the base elements all just by chance. I know from my teaching from Master Adrian & my Tao center feelings that Elements have there own likes & dislikes that influence quanta. I can't believe how narrow minding science is, it was supposed to be the truth based on completely knowing! Now only deception.

On a side not, The Free Masons, Illuminati, & new world order controlling the news, and using subliminal messages on the public! This should be a new post all together.

Scientists tend to look at everything from a purely Newtonian, scientific way without taking into account the possibility of any greater power and therefore miss the point completely.  For example - it should be obvious that the reason the temperauture of the Universe is uniform is because it was created from within and progressed outwards as opposed to commencing from a point within the physical Universe.

While scientists continue to focus exclusively on the three dimensional Universe of matter, which is a fraction of the entire Universe, they will never arrive at anything worthwhile.

The same goes for "space travel". While billions are being wasted on these idea they overlook the fact that our true journey is within, and inner exporation costs nothing.

Kind regards,

Adrian.
 

[melody]

My faith in Scientist is growing weary. I just watch the History Channels "The Universe". It was about the Big Bang and the end of the Universe. I did not agree with anything they said. There theories are becoming more foolish! They say that all the stars in all the galaxy's are going to burn out, and all black holes are going to vaporize. Even though they said that energy can not ever be added to or subtracted from only changed forms they said that the Universe would be empty!

Hello Wavepsychic,

It appears they are referring to matter rather than energy when it is said that the stars are going to burn out. Their matter is going to burn out releasing the energy.

I agree that some scientists presently express their own points of view, rather than having everything first scientifically substantiated. They are only humans, and love comming up with different explanations to differentiate themselves from their colleagues. This, however, should not discredit science as whole.

It is also possible that there is some misinformation happening. After all, all the news channels are now owned by those in power and belonging to the organizations you mentioned. They might also consider that what would be more of interest to the public would be "sensational" interpretations of the scientific experimentations and findings rather then dry facts of those experimentations and mathematical documentation that goes with it and has a lot of validity.

[Baki Hanma]

Hello Wavepsychic,

Oh I see, because he doesn't believe Galaxy's collide but I'm not sure what he believes. Scientist know they collide but that isn't the topic. Adrian doesn't believe thats what creates black holes.

No I do not. I believe that black holes are primary events not secondary events in the context of the creation of galaxies.

Well I don't think they cause black holes either, although I could somewhat understand why scientist suspect they do. The point of me posting that link was to basically proving my point that galaxies collide in general! This could be like a comming together to form a new galaxy; combining if you will.

[Adrian]

Hello Baki Hanma,

Well I don't think they cause black holes either, although I could somewhat understand why scientist suspect they do. The point of me posting that link was to basically proving my point that galaxies collide in general! This could be like a comming together to form a new galaxy; combining if you will.

There seems little doubt that galaxies collide, the question is whether black holes play a part. It could be that galaxies with smaller black holes and less gravitational potential are attracted by the larget galaxies with larger black holes.

It is the black holes themselves that are the focus of interest, especially as I believe that the black hole at the centre of our own galaxy is pivotal to the outcome of the next few years.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[wavepsychic]

Hi Master Adrian, Friends Baki, Melody!

Thank you all for being apart of my post and quest for knowledge. I am sure that our main mission here is to understand things better, & Adrian is here to help us learn.

There seems little doubt that galaxies collide, the question is whether black holes play a part. It could be that galaxies with smaller black holes and less gravitational potential are attracted by the larget galaxies with larger black holes.

It is the black holes themselves that are the focus of interest, especially as I believe that the black hole at the centre of our own galaxy is pivotal to the outcome of the next few years.

I said it somewhere before I forget where I said it, but the OUR own galaxy is currently colliding with 3 smaller galaxies right now. It isn't a big deal because there so small. In orbit around our Galaxy are these smaller galaxies.

I don't like the Newtonian view, it isn't the only way to study things & makes people believe that things that can't be taken apart don't exist. Scientist are even looking for "Gravitons" or Gravity Particles then they want to take them apart too.

[melody]

Even though they said that energy can not ever be added to or subtracted from only changed forms

Hello Wavepsychic,

Energy does not just disappear, at least not in our physical world, but it can “mutate”. It can be transformed from one kind of energy to another kind, and it can even be transformed into matter. The mechanical energy of falling water and turning turbines can be transformed into electrical energy, which in turn can be transformed into mechanical energy, for instance, in an electrical eggbeater. The energy can also “freeze” into matter.

As for the energy that makes up one’s spirit, one’s soul, once it gets separated from the flesh body, I question whether it necessarily would always stay the same or whether it too can mutate and become something else, for instance an electrical charge of a thunderstorm lightening, or a piece of rock if transformed into matter either by a personal will or some outside circumstances.

[wavepsychic]

As a Taoist I believe that change is the only consistency in the Universe. The Electric Fluid of the Inner universe became Magnetic Fluid, & it will circulate between Electric & Magnetic. The Universe is one big cycle of energy. Everything that exist has a cycle where new energy must be supplied to it in order to maintain it or else it will fall apart. NOTHING in the universe is outside of this, all things have entropy, the soul and spirit is the Entropy of the Creator. If not for pure souls returning to it I don't think it would exist. However I am not 100% sure about this, you'd have to ask Master Adrian. This philosophy is based more on Bill Harris's philosophy & teachings.