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« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2008, 05:51:37 »

Hello Baki Hanma,

No, I was just curious of how the astral looks to every living individual but not limited to Earth - ie humans, but to other life forms on other planets in other galaxies. I always assumed we take are perception of reality with us to the astral worlds and therefor see things like we would when we were alive; physicaly.

However, those who do space travel, could they still visit the astral realm of that planet being that they've been there and this have percieved it?


Every sentient Being will have many realms of the Astral that relate to their own evolution and perceptions.  So a person from Earth after passing on or projecting would not transition to an Astral realm specific to a Being from a completely different planet, because they could not imagine what such a realm would look like even if the relative vibrations were compatible.

It is possible to visit other Astral realms once in the Astral with a guide who is familiar with these other realms.

Space travel and Astral travel are in no way related.  For example - if an Being from another planet thousands of "light years" away visited Earth and passed on for some reason, they would still transition directly to their own appropriate Astral realm. Earth and the Astral occupy entirely different levels of Energy and Vibration.

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« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2008, 12:29:31 »

I can Imagine a Sci-Fi Fantasy world, does that mean that if I Astral Project and imagine it that I can't live in it? What if I was an Alien from another planet in another life time, I would remember what those alien plants look like in the astral. Wouldn't it be possible to make a world with Earthy fall trees and Alien spring trees existing at the same time in the Astral world?
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« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2008, 14:44:22 »

Hello Wavepsychic,

I can Imagine a Sci-Fi Fantasy world, does that mean that if I Astral Project and imagine it that I can't live in it? What if I was an Alien from another planet in another life time, I would remember what those alien plants look like in the astral. Wouldn't it be possible to make a world with Earthy fall trees and Alien spring trees existing at the same time in the Astral world?

Yes you can. If you can imagine it you can create it in the Astral. But of course humans generally have no idea what real alien planets look like, so you would have to make it up or use something from a sci fi movie etc.

Also of course if you stopped focusing on your world it will soon dissipate, depending how much Energy you used to create it.

The massive cities of the Astral worlds continue to exist because millions of people are living within them in their Mind, and thereby providing a constant source of Energy that sustains them.

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« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2008, 16:20:34 »

Hello Adrian and thanks for responding

I have a quite personal question for you. Being that you are already aware of the astral and all or the majority of it's functions. What do you think will happen to you when you pass from this world? Would you go directly to the astral or simply by pass it and go right to the mental planes. You already know the astral is an illusion. So would you choose to stay, or move? Just a bit curious cool

You don't have to respond if it is too personal, but I was curious of people, like you, who already know that the astral doesn't actually exist. Would you still even perceive it or just move above it?
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« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2008, 01:12:33 »

Adrian is like Lao Tzu, Siddhartha Gautama, Confucius, Hermes, Horus, Jesus, Mahamed, Rasputin, and many other divine humans. This will be Adrian's last incarnation I bet. He will be with the others in the Mental, Spirit, Cosmic, Celestial  Heavenly realms or what ever they are called.

I have never really been very good at anything. I am fearful that everyone else will evolve and leave me behind. I try to be spiritual & wise but I'm just to attached to what I want to look like. I will have to reincarnated just to look the way I want to look. I might not find Adrian's book in this other life. I am so close in this life, if I miss this chance then It might take me forever to be enlightened.
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« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2008, 02:14:14 »

Adrian is like Lao Tzu, Siddhartha Gautama, Confucius, Hermes, Horus, Jesus, Mahamed, Rasputin, and many other divine humans. This will be Adrian's last incarnation I bet. He will be with the others in the Mental, Spirit, Cosmic, Celestial  Heavenly realms or what ever they are called.

But how do you know for sure? Do you know him personally? How does he even know? I mean I read the through the majority of his books and now I have a better understanding of things then I once did, but is it enough. Has he actually learned everything he needs to know to move on?

I have never really been very good at anything. I am fearful that everyone else will evolve and leave me behind. I try to be spiritual & wise but I'm just to attached to what I want to look like. I will have to reincarnated just to look the way I want to look. I might not find Adrian's book in this other life. I am so close in this life, if I miss this chance then It might take me forever to be enlightened.

I'm curious, do you not like the way you look or something? Is this why you wish to look different? Or do you just want to be able to know you can do it with your mind power. I can relate however, so don't feel alone wink. There are aspects of me I want to change as well. People tell me to love myself and accept how God has formed me. However, if I am God then I can change my appearance as I wish, and it has nothing at all to do with whether or not I love muself.
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« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2008, 02:49:34 »

Hello Baki Hanma,

Hello Adrian and thanks for responding

I have a quite personal question for you. Being that you are already aware of the astral and all or the majority of it's functions. What do you think will happen to you when you pass from this world? Would you go directly to the astral or simply by pass it and go right to the mental planes. You already know the astral is an illusion. So would you choose to stay, or move? Just a bit curious cool

You don't have to respond if it is too personal, but I was curious of people, like you, who already know that the astral doesn't actually exist. Would you still even perceive it or just move above it?

I will answer the question in a general way.

The people in the Astral are there for three main reasons:

1. They believe it is where they are supposed to be, e.g. their idea of "Heaven", and have no desire to move on.

2. They are still addicted to the material world with all of the sensations involved and the fact they can have anything they desaire - which is why the Astral worlds are known as the "desire worlds".

3. They have absolutely no idea that there are inner, Spiritual worlds, often believeing that there is Earth, the "afterlife" or Astral, and that is it, and are not therefore motivated to better themselves.

To be fair to them - imagine a place where there is only peace and harmony, no shortages, no money, no "work", no governments and where you can have anything you desire - after Earth it must be very compelling for most people.

So in answer to your questions - do you think any of the above apply to me?

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« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2008, 02:58:41 »

Hello Baki Hanma,

But how do you know for sure? Do you know him personally? How does he even know? I mean I read the through the majority of his books and now I have a better understanding of things then I once did, but is it enough. Has he actually learned everything he needs to know to move on?


There is much more to "ascension" than knowledge itself.

It is attaining a state of Being, of Perfection and therefore Vibration which include, but are not limited to Unconditional Love for all Creation, including the smallest creatures - which means not merely regarding them as food or harming them if they are inconvenient in any way, Service to others before Service to Self, and realising and expressing Source, God within.

Books will provide guidance as to how to achieve these states, in fact it is the main reason I wrote Our Ultimate Reality, but it is for each individual to actually practice what they learn.

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« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2008, 04:16:38 »

Hello Baki Hanma,

Hello Adrian and thanks for responding

I have a quite personal question for you. Being that you are already aware of the astral and all or the majority of it's functions. What do you think will happen to you when you pass from this world? Would you go directly to the astral or simply by pass it and go right to the mental planes. You already know the astral is an illusion. So would you choose to stay, or move? Just a bit curious cool

You don't have to respond if it is too personal, but I was curious of people, like you, who already know that the astral doesn't actually exist. Would you still even perceive it or just move above it?

I will answer the question in a general way.

The people in the Astral are there for three main reasons:

1. They believe it is where they are supposed to be, e.g. their idea of "Heaven", and have no desire to move on.

2. They are still addicted to the material world with all of the sensations involved and the fact they can have anything they desaire - which is why the Astral worlds are known as the "desire worlds".

3. They have absolutely no idea that there are inner, Spiritual worlds, often believeing that there is Earth, the "afterlife" or Astral, and that is it, and are not therefore motivated to better themselves.

To be fair to them - imagine a place where there is only peace and harmony, no shortages, no money, no "work", no governments and where you can have anything you desire - after Earth it must be very compelling for most people.

So in answer to your questions - do you think any of the above apply to me?

Kind regards,

Adrian.
 

Aahhh, so your most likely going straight to the mental planes then grin. Cool, I haven't gotten that far in your book yet to learn much of the mental planes and how they differ from the astral.

So in your first reason listed, one can remain in the astral for all eternity if he/she chooses to do so? Not to say that one will, but an one choose too? Or will there come a time where the astral wont exist and people are forced to go above it?
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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2008, 10:57:08 »

Hello Baki Hanma,


Aahhh, so your most likely going straight to the mental planes then grin. Cool, I haven't gotten that far in your book yet to learn much of the mental planes and how they differ from the astral.

The Mental Planes are our true home - beyond all concept of "form" where we consciously live as pure Energy.
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So in your first reason listed, one can remain in the astral for all eternity if he/she chooses to do so? Not to say that one will, but an one choose too? Or will there come a time where the astral wont exist and people are forced to go above it?

There is always a choice. If a person is so addicted to material things that they cannot contemplate life without it, then they will cling to what they know and desire.

The same applies to "ghosts", many of whom cannot tolerate the thought of not being able to participate in physical activities anymore, so they hang around near the physical hoping that things will change.

In terms of both the physical and Astral an important aspect of evolution is to see them for the illusion they really are, serving only as kindergarten toys, so that progress can be made to the true realms of life.

Kind regards,

Adrian.
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« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2008, 17:52:37 »


Most scientist believe that black holes are caused by stars Collapsing into themselves, resulting in a large amount of gravitational force in a small area. This amount of force warps time and space pulling everything in with a much grater force of gravity then anything else. But Scientist can not see whats inside of these holes because light doesn't escape it.


Hello Wavepsychic,

I just came across the most interesting article regarding black holes. Scientists have seen through telescopes a super massive black hole spewing out plasma jets in a winding corkscrew towards us

Black holes reveal more secrets
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7364206.stm

They say black holes suck in matter and light. I wonder if black holes “regurgitate” what they suck in, and then spit it back in a form of plasma into our own Universe. Could it be so? Could they represent huge rejuvenation systems for galaxies and our Universe?

The above article about a black hole came from the BBC Science/Nature section that features many interesting articles
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/default.stm

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« Reply #26 on: April 27, 2008, 21:31:19 »

Hi Master Adrian, Baki, Melody.
 Wow so many responses to my post, where to begin?

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But how do you know for sure? Do you know him personally? How does he even know? I mean I read the through the majority of his books and now I have a better understanding of things then I once did, but is it enough. Has he actually learned everything he needs to know to move on?

LOL I wish! I am sure he can Metal project like he teaches so he would know where he will transition to. A living Buddha & Immortal Taoist are the same things. They are Immortal Spirits when they transition. I saw the movie "the forbidden Kingdom" recently. Its a great movie. The Taoist in there are Immortal if they drank the green tea elixir. But no one can be physically immortalized. They have taking Lao Tzu's teaching literially.

I do understand you though. You want scientific proof about the after life. Modern science doesn't study the after life. One who knows without feeling first knows nothing. I just made that up I think. It means feeling something is more real then knowing something.

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I'm curious, do you not like the way you look or something? Is this why you wish to look different? Or do you just want to be able to know you can do it with your mind power. I can relate however, so don't feel alone wink. There are aspects of me I want to change as well. People tell me to love myself and accept how God has formed me. However, if I am God then I can change my appearance as I wish, and it has nothing at all to do with whether or not I love muself.

I do not like the views of the Church. If not for Adrian Jesus'es teachings would have been lost to me! People have told me, thats the way god made you. As if some Man God decided what I look like despite my own free will.

 I do strongly believe that you can't heal yourself or change yourself with out respecting & loving all your individual cells. I just don't know how to make them know how else to look.

I don't look awful but I don't feel like I express myself the way I look. I was loosing my hair & there are others people I'd rather look like. I watch a video everyday that has a guy in it that I want to look like. I wont look 100% like him but I will try until I get extremely close. For anyone there is always someone else that looks very similar to them. I do not want to get older. I have been trying for years not to change my looks with visualization & feelings but so far I have not. I have to satisfy my desires of looks in order to move on, its just something I want so badly.

If someone has a personality trait or Virtue that you want to have then you learn from that person. You take the good in people and adapt them as your own. Confucius said something like that. Why not adopt the physical traits of people too? If you like the cloths of someone else & you want to express yourself by wearing a Buddhist robe then why can't you? Why can't you express yourself physically how you want?

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There is always a choice. If a person is so addicted to material things that they cannot contemplate life without it, then they will cling to what they know and desire.

I just got finished watching "the Karate Kid 2" today and "the Karate Kid" yesterday. When I read what you type you sound like Mr. Miyagi in my head lol. My Inner-Self has also been sounding like Mr. Miyagi too.

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I just came across the most interesting article regarding black holes. Scientists have seen through telescopes a super massive black hole spewing out plasma jets in a winding corkscrew towards us

Thanks, I knew they did that but I didn't know it was equal to what they suck in. I always appreciate some good knowledge.
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« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2008, 22:22:34 »



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I just came across the most interesting article regarding black holes. Scientists have seen through telescopes a super massive black hole spewing out plasma jets in a winding corkscrew towards us

Thanks, I knew they did that but I didn't know it was equal to what they suck in. I always appreciate some good knowledge.


Hello Wavepsychic,

I have no idea whether the mass of the plasma ejected out from the black hole equals the mass of the matter sucked in. I don't believe scientists have measured this yet. It is actually the first time I have ever heard that the black hole actually ejects anything outwardly back into our Universe, so it was a great surprise to me. Previously, I only heard it being stated that black holes suck everything in.

Also, if black holes might have the ability to transform matter into energy, or visible matter into black matter that we cannot see, and then also eject energy and black matter out of themselves in addition to plasma, it might be indeed very difficult to measure if what is going into the black hole equals to what is coming out.

 
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« Reply #28 on: April 27, 2008, 22:41:38 »

Hi Friend Melody!

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I have no idea whether the mass of the plasma ejected out from the black hole equals the mass of the matter sucked in. I don't believe scientists have measured this yet. It is actually the first time I have ever heard that the black hole actually ejects anything outwardly back into our Universe, so it was a great surprise to me. Previousely, I only heard it being stated that black holes only suck everything in.

I have always watched those shows on TV about Outer Space and stuff. In the illistrations the black hole is always shotting out a jet from its north pole so I just kinda excepted that. A neutron star shoots a stream of Gamma Radiation from both of its poles as it spins. Neutron Stars are the closest thing to a black hole that Scientist can study since these stars are visible. However Adrian says that he doesn't believe that they are caused by collapsing stars like scientist suggest. Something about dark mater. I believe him over any Scientist though. But I don't believe anyone fully until I knew for myself. Etheric Projection is the only way to understand this Mystery. The only problem is that a Conscious Projection is difficult, & expectations can alter the reflection of the black hole.
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« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2008, 11:34:15 »

Hello everyone,

Hi Friend Melody!

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I have no idea whether the mass of the plasma ejected out from the black hole equals the mass of the matter sucked in. I don't believe scientists have measured this yet. It is actually the first time I have ever heard that the black hole actually ejects anything outwardly back into our Universe, so it was a great surprise to me. Previousely, I only heard it being stated that black holes only suck everything in.

I have always watched those shows on TV about Outer Space and stuff. In the illistrations the black hole is always shotting out a jet from its north pole so I just kinda excepted that. A neutron star shoots a stream of Gamma Radiation from both of its poles as it spins. Neutron Stars are the closest thing to a black hole that Scientist can study since these stars are visible. However Adrian says that he doesn't believe that they are caused by collapsing stars like scientist suggest. Something about dark mater. I believe him over any Scientist though. But I don't believe anyone fully until I knew for myself. Etheric Projection is the only way to understand this Mystery. The only problem is that a Conscious Projection is difficult, & expectations can alter the reflection of the black hole.

The presence of black holes can be measured by the "event horizon". Although the black hole itself cannot be observes, astrophysicists can observe the light being bent around the event horizon from which they can determine its size and other factors.

I definitely do not believe black holes are collapsed stars. Galaxies can be seen to be created around them which indicates to me that there is considerable Energy, probably related to "dark matter" which acts as the source material for this creative process.  It doesn't seem to me at least likely that a star collapses and then a galaxy forms around it.

New galaxies are being created all the time, but the Energy comes from a higher vibration, as with the creation of the physical Universe, not because of an expired star which is an entirely different thing in my view.

Kind regards,

Adrian.


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