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Kailaurius
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« on: August 17, 2008, 23:05:43 »

Hi Adrian,

I have been recently wondering something and wanted to ask you a question.

Whenever we reach the conclusion of our experience within the physical realm our focus transitions from our physical expression/personality to the inner, higher vibratory realms that most closely matches our vibration and currently held belief system.  Once that occurs I have been pondering what happens next, and my question is this:

What happens when our beliefs change while in our current level of the inner realms our focus occupies.  For instance my beliefs have changed quite a bit while in this physical world, and of course I remain in this expression to continue learning and experiencing life on this planet that would be considered kindergarten on the progress towards Source.  So I was curious, what happens when our beliefs change in the higher vibratory realms?  Do we immediately transition to a different level of the inner realms?  What happens when we have an Aha! moment and we have an overwhelming realization or revelation that alters our beliefs that don't match the belief system territory we currently occupy?

I have read and studied the entire OUR book several times and I understand to the extent the book informs how we progress through the inner realms by raising our vibrations, realizing source, and shedding all materialistic desires, etc.  The one thing I'm not too clear on is how our focus changes within the inner realms as our beliefs change.

For instance.  Say an atheist transitions to the astral planes.  He transitions to a level where countless other beings with his same beliefs occupy.  All of a sudden his beliefs drastically changes to that of say the Christian beliefs.  Will he immediately transition beyond his control to the level of the astral planes where countless other Christians reside or will he be shown an opportunity where he chooses to transition to that level?

For myself, I daily work on mastering my beliefs and transcending my ego.  I live and experience life with a perception that has been changed and continues to form and grow based on what I have learned from reading, studying, and practicing the information in the OUR book and meditating on my inner self.  On a side note, I have to say that "Our Ultimate Reality" has been the most profound book I have ever had the privilege of reading.  This book contains information I had been looking for since I can remember living during this expression, and I can remember back really far, hehe.  But that's an entire story in and of itself.  I have been making really good progress at mastering my belief system and will be a life long process.  Whenever I finally transition to the inner realms I am quite sure my belief system will continue to be quite unrestricted and will probably flow like the wind with my main focus on returning to Source.  So that kind of brings me to another question.  Someone who is very open minded and who's beliefs are very fluid, how does that someone flow through the different levels of the inner realms?  Are each of the levels of the inner realms seamless transitions where you can hardly notice if at all when transitioning from one level to another?

Anyway, it's not something I have to know the answer to.  I just happened to think about it a few times, and I was just curious.   smiley
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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2008, 13:47:17 »

Dear Kailaurius,

Excellent questions and ones that are subject to much confusion along with the process of reincarnation generally.

We incarnate in the physical world as a representative of our Higher Self, because here we have the opportunity to gain experience at many orders of magnitudes greater rate than in the non-physical realms. This is due to overcoming physical challenges of the sort we are all familiar with, and and in particular because we live side by side with a vast array of others people, all of differing personalities, characters and attitudes, who we need to get along with and above all Unconditionally Love and be of Selfless Service to.

The inner realms of non-physical reality do not present these opportunities, and therefore evolution is much slower - to the extent that "slower" is meaningful in this context.  In the Astral and beyond they evolve by becoming Spirit Guides and by extending other services to incarnated humans - most of which people remain unaware of.

In answer to your questions - yes absolutely people still evolve. This happens when they reach a realisation, and a moment of inner Enlightenment which raises their vibration resulting in an automatic transition to the corresponding vibration depending on the extent of their new realisation.

When for example a murderer "dies" they transition to a plane of the same vibration which is populated by people of the same murderous mentality or vibration. Here they spend potentially all eternity attempting to murder each other, which is impossible of course, until they finally realise the folly of their ways and can move on.

In the belief system territories each religion has its own vibration which is below the mid-Astral. Here they have lots of churches and spend their time reading the Bible, going to church and so on, usually under the control of someone who tells them that unless they conform they will be "cast out in to the void" - nothing ever changes.

When they realise the truth, or, as very often happens they are rescued by Souls from an inner Astral level, sometimes with the help of Astral projectors - they can move on.

Each personality only incarnates once. After Earth they progress in the manner above until they eventually reach their Higher Self with their unique package of experience. Our Higher Self is our Individuality - Who we really Are, and the total of all incarnations.

When the Higher Self has gathered sufficient experience, It goes on to greater things as a Co-Creator on a much greater scale - a state of Being far beyond the comprehension of Earthly humans.

Everything in the Universe is in the image of everything else.

So just as we are aspects of our Higher Self, our Higher Self is an aspect of Source, God.  But on Earth we are also aspects of God through our Higher Self.

I hope that answers your question - and again - it is an excellent question.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.
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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2008, 14:32:54 »

Yes it does.  Thank you very much.  But as you can imagine the answer has lead to even more questions that just now popped into my head.   grin  Kind of like the saying goes, "The more you know, the more you realize you don't know", hehe.   huh

I won't ask them here now since they're mostly out of curiosity and I don't currently perceive the answers to my new inquiries to be much if any benefit to me at my current stage of spiritual development.  Besides these new questions might be beyond the scope of any of us here to even ask.  Like you said: "It goes on to greater things as a Co-Creator on a much greater scale - a state of Being far beyond the comprehension of Earthly humans."  It's exciting enough to know the infinite amount of experience left to enjoy while on the journey back to Source.  I definitely look forward to having all my questions answered in my life's journey as well as all the new questions that arise throughout my development.

Thanks again.  smiley
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« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2008, 15:00:13 »

Hello Kailaurius,

Our Higher Self knows what glories await, which is why our Higher Self is so "motivated" to progress, and indeed to achieve perfection.

After all, why else would Higher Self willingly subject Itself to the rigours of the material World when the Astral and beyond is peace and harmony? 
These are questions people should be asking. Many if not most Higher Selves do not subject themSelves to this experience, so we should be very grateful indeed that we have, regardless of the trials and tribulations we are subjected to. Every trial is a blessing in disguise.

If humans knew what rewards awaited them, the world would be a very different place indeed - the focus would not be on the trinkets of the material World.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.
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« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2008, 16:14:21 »

Well, the only thing I was curious about is what the experience is like transitioning from one level to another within the inner realms.  On Earth it's easy to comprehend what the experience is like transitioning from the physical plane because we see it happen all the time and we hear so many testimonies of people who have transitioned (A.K.A physical "death") and have come back.  But within the Astral and beyond there is no physical death so I'm assuming the transition experience would be quite different.

For example:  Say I've already transitioned to the Astral planes where I take rest for a while with like minded people enjoying the scenery and the feeling of bliss.  All of a sudden my beliefs have changed and my vibrations have been raised.  Do I say to all my friends within the current level of that world "Welp I've just had a sudden revelation everyone.  I've enjoyed your company, but it's time I moved on to the next level.  And then I whisk off like Superman to the next level"?  Hehe, a little cheesy, but you get my point. grin  Or do I seamlessly change to another level where the world around me morphs into an even more blissful state?

If I had to guess, I would say it was the latter or something similar.  I would imagine transitioning within the inner realms would be similar to transitioning from Earth but without the pain of physical death.  I would guess it would be the same as a person living on Earth who was so spiritually developed and who's vibrations were high enough that they don't experience the pain of transitioning from the physical body to the higher realms as do most currently living on Earth at this moment.

In the Astral and beyond they evolve by becoming Spirit Guides and by extending other services to incarnated humans - most of which people remain unaware of.

That makes sense given that by doing so would increase our vibration by exercising Unconditional Love through selfless service to others.  But would that be the only way of evolving through the Astral and beyond?  Now that I'm thinking about it while writing this it would seem that way.  From what I've read and studied it would seem the entire Universe is designed that way -  higher Energies helping lower Energies to evolve, and then those lower Energies helping even lower Energies to evolve and so on.  It would seem to be the natural order of things.

For myself I could imagine taking a short or maybe long rest within the higher realms after making a transition depending on how I felt, and then continuing my journey to whatever I choose.  Like I've said before, the wonderful thing about this journey is we can take as long as we desire.  No matter how long it takes it doesn't matter.

When the Higher Self has gathered sufficient experience, It goes on to greater things as a Co-Creator on a much greater scale - a state of Being far beyond the comprehension of Earthly humans.

This was another statement that lead to another question.  When the Higher Self has gathered sufficient experience from all the incarnations within the physical realm and then moves on to greater things as a Co-Creator does the Higher Self continue to create more personalities to gather more experiences from within these higher realms or is the Higher Self itself in essence a personality of Source?

Again, I'm assuming from what I have learned so far that the latter is the case.  I understand that there are an infinite number of Higher Selves all individual aspects of Source.  I can only speculate as to what our Higher Selves do at this point.  Similar to what you said I'm sure there is no way to imagine what the experience is like at this stage of evolution and current level of the higher realms as this would be beyond human comprehension, but for me it's entertaining and inspiring to try.  smiley

Thank you very much for taking the time to read all this and answering my questions.  Like I said I'm just mostly curious.  cool

Lol, reading back over my post it almost seems like I've practically answered my own questions.  undecided
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« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2008, 16:43:19 »

Hello Kailaurius,

In the Astral World many find life there so wonderful compared to Earth they do not want to move on. Of course they do not realise that the next levels are much more wonderful still.  Plenty are addicted to the Astral, because apart from the peace and harmony and lack of "jobs", "money" etc, they can have whatever they want whenever thet want it. This is why they are called the "desire" world. People there have to satiate their desires and see them for the illusions before they can move on.

They transition is instant - they simply fade out. It is really the same as death, but there is no physical aspect to it. I suppose it depends on each person whothey tell, but they cannot transition at will when they have said goodbye, once their Mind is set away they go. That said - anyone in the inner realms can visit those in the outer at will, just as people in the Astral visit relatives on Earth. The reverse is not true however - the outer cannot travel to the inner.

Once the Higher Self has gathered enough experience to progress, It assumes the personality of the most evolved incarnation and progresses as a complete Being. Not even the Subconscious Mind exists - only a direct Conscious connection with Source.

There are those on Earth of course who already know the illusions of physical and Astral worlds, have no need to play in the Astral, and will return directly back to the Higher Self. These are often Souls that are here on a specific mission before "returning home".

In Love and Light,

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« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2008, 17:02:13 »

Once the Higher Self has gathered enough experience to progress, It assumes the personality of the most evolved incarnation and progresses as a complete Being. Not even the Subconscious Mind exists - only a direct Conscious connection with Source.

That's very interesting.  I did not know that.  It's interesting that the Higher Self assumes the personality of the most evolved incarnation.  That changes my thinking a little.  I was previously thinking that the Higher Self had it's own personality independent of the personalities of all it's incarnations and that once the Higher Self has completed it's learning from all it's incarnations that all personalities are merged into the Higher Self and then the Higher Self continues on, or something like that, hehe.

Thank you very much for that information.   smiley
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« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2008, 18:11:48 »

Hello Kailaurius,

Our Higher Self is also who we Are.

I realise this is difficult to comprehend, but this is the reason why we never lose our individual conscious awareness.

All incarnations take place concurrently, in different time lines yet each is us just the same as the total consciousness is us.

If the Higher Self was a seperate entity, then each incarnation would consist of a single Earth experience and then nothing which is not the case.

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« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2008, 12:11:14 »

Yes, it has been very difficult for me to comprehend.  I have read Wheels of Life on your website several times, but I am still confused about a few of the details that interest me.

Let me see if I understand this part correctly, and please correct me if I'm incorrect on some or all parts.  Multiple individual expressions or personalities of the Higher Self exist throughout the Physical, Astral, and Mental planes all at the same time from the perspective of the Higher Self.  The goal of each personality is to return to the Higher Self with it's packaged experience by experiencing, learning, and progressing through the Physical, Astral, and Mental Planes.  When the Higher Self has gained enough packaged experiences from all of it's personalities It moves on as a single Identity with no more personalities or multiple expressions of Itself through the Spiritual plane where It continues to progress It's way back to Source.

Here are a few questions that I have.  Does each and every single personality of the Higher Self have to achieve perfection or become God realized before returning to it's true Identity?  If not does each and every personality have to actually return to it's true Identity before the Higher Self can continue through the Spiritual plane back to Source?  The reason I ask is because you said that "Once the Higher Self has gathered enough experience to progress, It assumes the personality of the most evolved incarnation and progresses as a complete Being."  So that gave me the impression that not all other personalities have to achieve the same level of perfection as other personalities of it's Higher Self before It can continue.  If each and every personality must return to it's true Identity, which I'm assuming they do, then what happens when one personality achieves perfection before all the others?  Does the Higher Self wait until all It's personalities have progressed through all levels of the inner realms before finally reaching their one true Identity, the Higher Self?  Can a personality progress all the way through the inner realms back to the Higher Self without achieving perfection, or should I say gaining enough experience in order for Higher Self to continue or does each and every personality have to achieve the same level of perfection as the personality who achieved it first, and if so, given that there is no time within these inner realms, does any personality really achieve perfection before any other?  If all personalities have to achieve the same level of perfection wouldn't they all achieve that perfection at the same time given that there is no such thing as time?  As you can plainly see, it's hard for me to fully grasp the concept of a timeless world given that our entire physical experience is based and depends on a linear perception.

How about this scenario.  Once a single personality has achieved the necessary experience and level of perfection that it's Higher Self needs could the Higher Self call all other personalities back to itself at that very instant regardless of each personality's location within the Physical, Astral, or Mental planes or regardless of each personality's current gained experience or level of perfection?  I know it sounds like I'm separating the personality from the Higher Self, and I'm trying not to as I know that all personalities throughout all timelines relative to Earth are the same Identity.

I didn't mean to ask so many questions, hehe.  They just started pouring into my head while writing this post.   tongue  I do think they are very interesting questions to ponder over however.  If you have any feedback on any of these questions that would be great.  If not then I have no doubt I'll figure it out eventually.   wink

Thank again for your responses.   smiley

Ummm, I just thought of another question.   rolleyes  Would it make sense that our very last incarnation as perceived from a physical linear perspective be the incarnation that achieves the necessary level of experience and perfection to complete the incarnation process and for the Higher Self to continue?  Or given that our Higher Self can pick and chose any timeline It wants to send an incarnation is it possible that a past incarnation (once again from a linear perspective) could be the one the Higher Self needs for completion in order to continue on?  And if that is true then that would bring me back to the "scenario" question I asked above.
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« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2008, 16:52:56 »

Hello Kailaurius,

Yes, it has been very difficult for me to comprehend.  I have read Wheels of Life on your website several times, but I am still confused about a few of the details that interest me.

Let me see if I understand this part correctly, and please correct me if I'm incorrect on some or all parts.  Multiple individual expressions or personalities of the Higher Self exist throughout the Physical, Astral, and Mental planes all at the same time from the perspective of the Higher Self. 

Yes - but you see to understand this we must get away from this concept of "time" - it does not exist. Humans think they experience time because they have created "clocks" etc and a calendrical system based upon Earth relative to the Earth and Sun.  But if Earth was a couple of degrees out of its current orbit around the Sun, and the Moon was slightly further away for example, the Gregorian calendar and human concept of "time" would be different, but yet nothing has really changed. Time is experienced, not measured due to the space-time continuum of the physical Universe.

So everything in the Universe, including all incarnation, take place in the Present Moment of the Eternal Now. There is no other moment.

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The goal of each personality is to return to the Higher Self with it's packaged experience by experiencing, learning, and progressing through the Physical, Astral, and Mental Planes.  When the Higher Self has gained enough packaged experiences from all of it's personalities It moves on as a single Identity with no more personalities or multiple expressions of Itself through the Spiritual plane where It continues to progress It's way back to Source.

Absolutely correct.

Our Higher Self is immensely powerful. Each incarnation experiences a tiny fraction of the power of the Higher Self. The Higher Self goes on to be a Co-Creator of the Universe which is a huge responsibility, that is why the training course is so tough.

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Here are a few questions that I have.  Does each and every single personality of the Higher Self have to achieve perfection or become God realized before returning to it's true Identity?

No - not at all. In fact it is likely that only one incarnation - the one that becomes the Individuality of the Higher Self - achieves God-realisation while in a physical body - the highest state a human can reach - otherwise known as Enlightenment.

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If not does each and every personality have to actually return to it's true Identity before the Higher Self can continue through the Spiritual plane back to Source? 

Yes - each personality must return to the Higher Self with its package of experience. Many personalities get stuck in the desire worlds of the Astral, or very often in a belief system territory, so there can be personalities in many vibrations - each must overcome its situation and return however.

Again though - keep in Mind that "time" does not exist, so everything is happening in the Eternal Now.

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The reason I ask is because you said that "Once the Higher Self has gathered enough experience to progress, It assumes the personality of the most evolved incarnation and progresses as a complete Being."  So that gave me the impression that not all other personalities have to achieve the same level of perfection as other personalities of it's Higher Self before It can continue.

That is correct. Keep in Mind that there will be some personalities will be in the "stone age" and some might even be early hominids of 3 million years ago relative to Earth time.

The reason humans have no memory of "past" - because "past" does not exist - is because many incarnations would be extremely traumatic, ending in a violent "death", and if a person knew about other incarnations they would not be able to function, being lost in trauma, grief, sadness etc.

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If each and every personality must return to it's true Identity, which I'm assuming they do, then what happens when one personality achieves perfection before all the others? 

"Before" does not exist.

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Does the Higher Self wait until all It's personalities have progressed through all levels of the inner realms before finally reaching their one true Identity, the Higher Self?  Can a personality progress all the way through the inner realms back to the Higher Self without achieving perfection, or should I say gaining enough experience in order for Higher Self to continue or does each and every personality have to achieve the same level of perfection as the personality who achieved it first, and if so, given that there is no time within these inner realms, does any personality really achieve perfection before any other?  If all personalities have to achieve the same level of perfection wouldn't they all achieve that perfection at the same time given that there is no such thing as time?  As you can plainly see, it's hard for me to fully grasp the concept of a timeless world given that our entire physical experience is based and depends on a linear perception.

Because you are thinking in terms of "time" which does not exist.

The Higher Self is the total of all incarnations - some Higher Selves need more incarnations than others - but perfection is achieved in a moment, notwithstanding the fact that each incarnation, when in the temporal, physical Universe, experiences "time"- which is an illusion.

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How about this scenario.  Once a single personality has achieved the necessary experience and level of perfection that it's Higher Self needs could the Higher Self call all other personalities back to itself at that very instant regardless of each personality's location within the Physical, Astral, or Mental planes or regardless of each personality's current gained experience or level of perfection?  I know it sounds like I'm separating the personality from the Higher Self, and I'm trying not to as I know that all personalities throughout all timelines relative to Earth are the same Identity.

No - each incarnation must complete its experience.

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I didn't mean to ask so many questions, hehe.  They just started pouring into my head while writing this post.   tongue  I do think they are very interesting questions to ponder over however.  If you have any feedback on any of these questions that would be great.  If not then I have no doubt I'll figure it out eventually.   wink

Thank again for your responses.   smiley

Your questions are excellent - it shows that you have been thinking deeply about these matters, and asking the right questions.

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Ummm, I just thought of another question.   rolleyes  Would it make sense that our very last incarnation as perceived from a physical linear perspective be the incarnation that achieves the necessary level of experience and perfection to complete the incarnation process and for the Higher Self to continue?  Or given that our Higher Self can pick and chose any timeline It wants to send an incarnation is it possible that a past incarnation (once again from a linear perspective) could be the one the Higher Self needs for completion in order to continue on?  And if that is true then that would bring me back to the "scenario" question I asked above.

Well again these questions are all "time" based.

A better way of looking at this question would be in terms of numbers. The Higher Self sends as many incarnations as it needs to the physical Universe - not necessarily Earth - to achieve the necessary level of perfection. The Higher Self knows every incarnation, just as God knows every Higher Self as well as subset - incarnation of the Higher Self - and therefore can determine how many incarnations are required, in what time-lines, to which parents, in which country and so on.

Source, The First Cause, God does not need to do this, because God is unlimited and engaged in an infinite process of expansion.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.
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« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2008, 09:24:03 »

Hi Adrian,

Thank you again very much for answering those questions.  They definitely helped increase my understanding.
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« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2008, 20:15:24 »

Kailaurius,

I just want to say thank you for your posts. It seems like every time I read one of your questions I think 'That is what I want to know!'. Smiley

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« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2008, 11:05:44 »

agree these have been wonderful posts I have learned a lot thank you
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