Astral Projection Related

[Selski]

Of all the OBEs that I’ve had, there have only been a handful where I’ve not been alone.  I went through a period of wanting to meet guides, and on one occasion my deceased Grandma was in the hallway when I left the bedroom.  Unfortunately, I was intent on finding an astral doorway to take any notice of her!

I still don’t feel I’ve met any guides (in the traditional sense of the word).  I have felt presences, but it’s rare.  For me, I believe the reason I haven’t met them is because I don’t think I’ve got the right mental attitude just yet.  I once saw a man dressed like a devil and he had blue skin – he’s probably my guide - what did I do?  I laughed at him, but to be fair, he did look like he was on his way to a fancy dress party!! – no wonder he never came back.

I hope to meet my guides one day, and I’d love to hear if anyone has their own experiences of how they met their guides.  It might give me some pointers (apart from the obvious – don’t laugh at them!)

Sarah

[tarabyte]

I also wish to meet an astral mentor...

Does anyone have any tips on how to do this?

[Adrian]

Hello Sarah,

Thanks very much for sharing this with us.

I personally believe that "guides" are often misunderstood for who they are. In fact most guides are normal people just like we are, the only difference being that they are living in the non-physical worlds, i.e. the Astral rather than on Earth.

The fact they are living in the Astral implies for the most part that they have no additional knowledge than those living on Earth; if they did, they would likely not be still living in the Astral They would be in the inner Spiritual spheres beyond form.

The people in the Astral of course love to help human beings in the physical and millions of them do; everyone can enlist the help of a guide if they desire to do so.  The potential danger is that a guide can unintentionally lead a physical human astray.

A good way of seeing guides in my view is "non-physical cheerleaders"  

The danger arises from the fact the closer a soul is to Earth the lower is their vibration and not without good reason. These are the levels where the more "dangerous" people transition to after passing on. The reason this is dangerous is that the closer to the physical these people are, the easier it is for them to contact human beings, and their intentions are very often less than honorable. This is why Ouija boards are so dangerous; it takes a being with high density, low vibration to communicate through physical means.

Best regards,

Adrian.

[Swimmingbear]

The abyss program has really seemed to give my meditation skills a good boost.  I have been using it the past week or so and have noticed a significant increase in being able to hold my mind still.

Last night I has one of my easiest and most natural feeling projections.
At about 4 am I relaxed my body and began to meditate.  I soon just felt like I was just in the right state to exit.  At this point I just rolled my feet over the side of the bed and stood up.  No vibrations, special sensations etc, just slid right on out.

I proceeded to fly down the stairs through the house and out through the front door.  Once I got to the driveway I stopped and mentally said to myself-- take me where I need to go.  I found myself almost instantly back in bed.

Oh well perhaps next time I can extend my journey a bit more but I am very excited about my progress.  Hopefully if I keep honing my meditation skills I will be able to project on a more regualr basis.

[Swimmingbear]

Shortly after going to sleep last night I became aware of my astral hands and arms.  I did not feel I had the  mental state needed to be able to fully project so I just experimented with my hands.  

I could feel a strong flow of energy between my palms.
I began to massage my brow and crown with my astral hands.
Nothing spectacular happened but it felt good.

Has anyone done something similar?
I am thinking that the astral hands could be useful in healing yourself.

Any ideas how to best use the astral hands?

[Adrian]

Hello Swimmingbear,

Shortly after going to sleep last night I became aware of my astral hands and arms.  I did not feel I had the  mental state needed to be able to fully project so I just experimented with my hands.  

I could feel a strong flow of energy between my palms.
I began to massage my brow and crown with my astral hands.
Nothing spectacular happened but it felt good.

Has anyone done something similar?
I am thinking that the astral hands could be useful in healing yourself.

Any ideas how to best use the astral hands?

My suggestion would be to relax into your semi mind awake, body asleep state with the objective of converting to a full OBE. From what you say you are already about 90% of the way there.

It is possible that Astral hands might be useful, but true healing comes from the Mind. It is much more powerful therefore, once out of body, to focus on any aspect of your physical body that you wish to heal. This is a very powerful method of healing.

You will need to be very focussed however and not actually think about your physical body otherwise you will find yourself rapidly returning.

Best regards,

Adrian.

[Adrian]

Hello Swimming Bear,

The abyss program has really seemed to give my meditation skills a good boost.  I have been using it the past week or so and have noticed a significant increase in being able to hold my mind still.

Last night I has one of my easiest and most natural feeling projections.
At about 4 am I relaxed my body and began to meditate.  I soon just felt like I was just in the right state to exit.  At this point I just rolled my feet over the side of the bed and stood up.  No vibrations, special sensations etc, just slid right on out.

I proceeded to fly down the stairs through the house and out through the front door.  Once I got to the driveway I stopped and mentally said to myself-- take me where I need to go.  I found myself almost instantly back in bed.

Oh well perhaps next time I can extend my journey a bit more but I am very excited about my progress.  Hopefully if I keep honing my meditation skills I will be able to project on a more regualr basis.

Congratulations on an excellent experience!

The "take me where I need to go" is unfortunately too ambiguous. "Need" is not a present tense statement and implies a state of perpetual "needing".

I suggest that you decide your objectives before you go to sleep with view to remembering them during an OBE.

If you wish to visit a deceased relative for example you would state "now I am with ...." and say the name of the relative. If you wish to visit the Astral you can state "now I travel inwards", and so on.

There is absolutely no question that early morning after a couple of REM sleep cycles is the very best chance anyone has of projecting.

Best regards,

Adrian.

[Swimmingbear]

Adrian,
Thank you for the advice.
I will be more specific with my requests.

[Tone]

Good stuff Swimmingbear. Have been trying for some time now to "get" OOB but haven't managed it yet. Well not while conscious at least, tho I have it on good information that I have done so while I've been asleep, & I have had a couple of occasions where I've had recollections of dreamlike experiences which turned out to be "reality"..  
Have you any tips on how to ensure, or at least favour or increase the likelihood of getting out, as I've tried several techniques, including some of Bob Monroe's from his books, & nothing seems to give me consistent results, or even anything that I would call remotely successful - most frustrating.     Tho having said that I am still a beginner and there's plenty of room for improvement & honing of the required techniques..
Maybe I'm not trying hard enough, I don't know, or maybe I'm trying at the wrong time of day - I usually do it on an evening when I'm either still alert or getting slightly tired but not quite ready to sleep. Mornings aren't good for me, just end up falling back asleep! Anyways, any hints or info. anyone can furnish would be very welcome
Oh, & thanks for a great site/forum Adrian & all - bought the book last week & am greatly enjoying the bits I've read so far. This type of forum is long overdue & one I hope to contribute to in some small way & to see flourish for some time to come. Well done.

[Swimmingbear]

Tone,

Here is what has helped me most.

1. Relaxation
2. Meditation  (getting the mind in the right state to project)
3. Some type of exit technique

Sleeping for about six hours and then getting up for a while and then going back to sleep seems to increase the chance of something happening quite a bit for me.
Going to bed early (around 8) getting up around 2 and then staying up for 90 min to 2 hrours then returning to bed seems to work very consistently for me.

If you are someone who falls asleep rapidly try staying up for the full 2 hrs before going back to bed.  Also reading about Projecting while you are up can help the odds of a projection.

One last thing that I do is record my dreams on a consistent basis.
Being able to recall your dreams probably increases the chances of recalling your projections.

Keep working through Adrian's book and I am sure you will find tons of useful stuff to try.

[violeteye]

Tone-

Mornings aren't good for me, just end up falling back asleep!

I project mostly on the weekends due to my schedule.  I ALWAYS project with this little routine...I get up around 10am, have a cup of coffee and write down the details of any dreams or APs from the night before.  I sit out of the balcony and sun (I'm in Southern California   !).  Sometimes I go through my daily affirmations or visualize/hologram things I want in life. This takes anywhere from an 1 1/2 - 2 hours.  Then, being the sleep lover that I am, I go back to bed.  I always have clusters of APs, 2-6+ and if I come out, it's really easy to go right back in.   I sleep for about another 1-2 hours.  It's my weekend fun.  I can still go out around 2:30 and have a great day.  The Over sleeping trick works for a lot of people.  Granted, I do not have any kids.  I can see where that would seriously limit sleeping in. I do have a cat that sometimes sadistically jumps on me, as I'm about to "exit" other times she joins me.  

I've tried the early morning and night thing too, but neither work for me. I pass out.  Although, the few involuntary ones I've had have all happened around 3-4am.  I guess I'm just more of the afternoon APer.  Sure, it's part of my plan for the day.  Some might not want to "waste all that time sleeping", but if I have something I really want to work on or check out, that's more important to me than getting out of the apartment bright and early.  I do it every single weekend, sometimes both days.  Now, I'm working on consistent control over my experiences.

Just keep trying different things.  Something will eventually click with you.  Also, you may want to read everything you can about it to keep you subconscious saturated and constantly question your reality throughout the day.  Those things have really helped me.

Good luck!

[Tone]

Cheers for the tips good people.    Something (else!) for me to think about..

I do actually already relax & meditate before trying to get "out" & AP. It's the exit technique I haven't figured out yet! Nothing I've tried so far has worked with any great success, but I'm still only a beginner at this. One thing I have found that the more I meditate before falling sleep or trying to AP the more vivid & better recollection of dreams I have. And consequently more disturbed sleep too! But there you go, you can't have it all, & when I have a deeper "better" sleep I tend to remember nothing, so the pay off is worth it.

I'm a sleep lover too, but often find on a weekend that I actually feel worse for having a longer sleep (when I can), presumably the quality and/or depth is poorer. I don't have much scope for trying at other times so I'll keep reading up & trying & experimenting & see what comes of it as time goes on - it can only improve with practice, that's my view.

[Tone]

Adrian, is what you're saying not a contradiction in itself? How can you "focus on any aspect of your physical body" while at the same time "not actually think about your physical body otherwise you will find yourself rapidly returning"?

Apologies if I haven't understood you correctly here, but from my limited experience with (self) healing & Reiki it's always been while focussing on the physical body locale & the energy, & the infusion or transference of the latter in/to the former.

To answer Swimmingbear, I've had no such experiences, but it sounds interesting. I've never considered trying healing while during an OBE. But then again I haven't managed to achieve this consistenly or successfully yet! Just reading up on it now actually.....  

[Adrian]

Hello Tone,

Adrian, is what you're saying not a contradiction in itself? How can you "focus on any aspect of your physical body" while at the same time "not actually think about your physical body otherwise you will find yourself rapidly returning"?

Apologies if I haven't understood you correctly here, but from my limited experience with (self) healing & Reiki it's always been while focussing on the physical body locale & the energy, & the infusion or transference of the latter in/to the former.

To answer Swimmingbear, I've had no such experiences, but it sounds interesting. I've never considered trying healing while during an OBE. But then again I haven't managed to achieve this consistenly or successfully yet! Just reading up on it now actually.....  

Yes I see what you mean

What I mean is that your thoughts need to remain passive as far as the physical body is concerned while focussing on the healing.

It is not easy to explain

During OBE the reason people suddenly find themselves back in their physical body is because they look at the physical body and think something like "wow... I am out of my physical body!" That implies a surpise in that they didn't think they should be out of the physical body causing them to return.

However, if when out of the physical body you treat it s a completely natural state, which it is, and focus on the healing aspect, then you will not be drwan back to the physical body.

Like everything, our thoughts and Mind control everything.

I hope that has explained it better

Best regards,

Adrian.

[Selski]

Hello swimmingbear

I have also used my astral hands in a sort of "healing" position.  I was in a similar situation to yours, where my arms were out but I didn't feel 'ready' to leave my body.  I noticed I had a very slight headache, so I place my astral hands on my forehead and mentally thought about healing my pain.

Like you, it didn't have a drastic effect, but I felt right as rain in the morning.

I like Adrian's comment about focusing on an aspect of your physical body.  That's going on my list of things to do (which is getting rather long!) whilst out of body - thanks Adrian.

One thing I have found very useful to do with my astral hands is to help separation.  If you feel not quite ready to get out, rub your hands where you think you are 'stuck' and mentally tell yourself that with your astral hands you are turning the physical bits into astral bits - it works for me every time.

Sarah