Are we God?

[melody]

Are we God?

As an aspect of God, are we God?

Each cell in our body is an aspect of us. It exists within our life force, within our energy field. It is one of the blocks of our existence on the physical plane.  But it also has an independence to be born inside our body and die without our direct conscious involvement in this process. The cell also has a “Mind” and “Consciousness” of its own to perform a task inside our body coherently and intelligently so the body functions as an integral entity. And it also has a mind of its own to dysfunction, and even to become cancerous. It also communicates with us. When it is malfunctioning we feel pain, when it is well, we feel a well-being. We can also communicate with it and tell it to function to its optimum.

But is a cell actually us? Just because it is an aspect of us and enjoys being a part of our energy and consciousness, this does not really make it to be us. As a part, it is “conscious” of the whole within which it exists, and within which energy field it exists, since it has to function coherently within the whole. But it would be quite an extrapolation to jump to a conclusion that it is actually the whole, that it is actually us.

In a sense it is us, because it forms us on the physical plane, it permits us to function and experience within this physical plane. It is an integral part of the total – of our body, of our consciousness and purpose. It experiences oneness with us, with the total we are, with all of our body, as it functions and performs within that total, but it is not the total. To claim that it is, that it is us, would be a big jump in a logical reasoning. Or at least this is what I think.

By the same token, us being an aspect of God, and being one with God, and living within the Gods ever present energy, and within his total creation, within his Mind and Consciousness, being a part of all of that, does not make us to be actually God. We can be conscious of being an aspect of God, and even to communicate with him as being within that energy of God - being a part of it, a part of the continuum of the oneness, but we remain only a part. We are not the total, not the whole all of God. Therefore, we are not God, we are only an aspect of God.

As always (as is the case with all the topics I start) I would very much like to hear what the members of this forum think about us being or not being God. I will greatly appreciate all the comments and ideas, and even rebuttals.

[zensunni7]

Hello Melody,

Excellent question. Yet these tend to tangent off into theological debates and discussion of dogma and philosophy. Debating is generally a diversion from fear of actually knowing and experiencing, intellectual masturbation as it were.
Like Indiana Jones - once he finds the treasure, he must return to his stuffy old classrooms, and be just professor Jones - where is the fun in that?

Are we God?
I don't think we will answer that question, where is our point of reference?
Finite points in time and space and the mind boggling infinite and eternal merged into One form?
I do like your analogy of cells though.
The micro life and the connection to the macro - Us. Each cell is a miniature US. is it not? Yes, they live, die and reconstruct without our conscious agreement, but like so much in this time, isn't it a choice? Gurus of thousand of years ago wrote texts speaking of command over this internal universe. The Cabala speaks clearly of being a universe unto our inner selves. So are we not also the Gods of this inner creation - if we choose to be?
I use to ponder this question, spent many a decade seeking the answer, and now - the question in my life seems to be more of a stumbling block to the answer than anything.
Being raised religiously has its mark in the mind, there is a subconscious clause in our genetics to never escalate our selves to the level of such things. Say it is not so, and you will find it lurking in the depths of your inner library of ancestors that lived this law, and scream loudly within when we attempt to rise above our worm theologies. These are your cells too.
I think it matters not if we feel as God to the present moment, and it is all to the moment. We are the zero point minds have searched for and we stand alone even in the crowdest of rooms. Even our banner of ' be in the moment ' of our new / old age practitioner's find the moment escapes them in its immeasurable
fleeting passing. Breathe in - and the past appears, breathing out comes from the future, only the silence in between is the moment of presence.
SO to it is with Being God. Again where is the minds point of reference, to what image does the cell transform itself? Does it mean we turn water wine, raise the dead, walk upon water? As in ancient texts - approach God with any thought of what that might be, you will only see that thought. Look into the blue pearl of meditation, and you will see your thoughts of God looking back at you.
Do I believe I am God? Yes I do. Do I know what that means, no, not at all.
Will Jesus condemn me for thinking so?
There are those that will realize that they are God - there are those that never realize they are more than animals walking upright, those that drink with their hands at the rivers edge, and always those that will put their face into the water as the animals do. " You will always have the poor and downtrodden amongst you "
If you want to be God - then be so, and let that power reveal itself to you, let God be your point of reference with no thought of what might lie at the end of that path.

WithIn Love
Darrell





 

[melody]

Hello Zensunni 7,

Thank you for posting comments to my question. I will ponder about your answer. Meanwhile, though, I'd like to ask you a quesrtion. When you say you believe you are God, do you consider yourself to be the total of God, or just a small, infinitesimal God-like part of the Supreme God?

Do I believe I am God? Yes I do. Do I know what that means, no, not at all.

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

Excellent question and excellent reponse from Darrell.

I hold that we are God. To believe that we are in any way separate is to believe in duality.

We could say that God is the Supreme intelligence, but we are still expressions and aspects of that Supreme Intelligence just as one of our limbs is part of us.

Also, the absolute true meaning of Life is to continue to realise and express God in the process of perfection, until finally we can achieve unity with God in absolute terms, experiencing God in every possible sense. We cannot go from not being God to being God.

All of the major religions of the world teach this truth:

Christianity: “Neither shall they say, lo here! or, lo there! For, behold, the kingdom of Heaven is within you”. -- Luke 17:21

Islam: “Those who know themselves know their God”.

Buddhism: “Look within, thou art Buddha”.

Vedanta, part of Hinduism: “Atman (individual Consciousness) and Brahman (Universal Consciousness) are one”.

Upanishads, part of Hinduism: “By understanding the self, all this Universe is known”.

Yoga, part of Hinduism: “God dwells within you as you”.

Confucianism: “Heaven, Earth and human are of one body”.

Christianity: “On that day, you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you”. -- John 14:20

Most people struggle with this because they either see God as a separate deity, or do not feel worthy of Being God.

Only when these can be overcome can true progress be made.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[juliainkc]

Hello Melody,

I've enjoyed reading your post on this excellent question and Darrell's and Adrians excellent responses.

I agree this is the ongoing debate by many since the beginning of time. We seek the knowledge of Knowing this and can miss the experiencing of it because we keep looking for IT and forget to Be IT (only the Silence in between is the moment of presence), as Darrell shares, it can and does become a distraction and a diversion. We've all spent alot of hours, years and money on 'trying' to figure this one out yes?

I agree with Adrian, that it is difficult to shift one's perception by struggling with the deeply ingrained ancestral beliefs of God as being separate (autocracy) and not feeling worthy of Being God (equality).

Perhaps the difficulty lies in the possibility that we are seeking the experiencing of this  Knowing from an earthly understanding. A Knowing which is beyond this world's understanding because it comes from a Love that is not of this world. This humbles me.

The reasoning mind cannot understand the Mind of God because it looks for ways to understand God on the same level it creates the 'idea of God' by defining God on it's own terms and reasoning level. I know this sounds like a mind boggler. In a sense trying to make God in our own image. A shared human trait. Turns into a, 'h mmm....that's funny, my god doesn't look like your god" sort of scenario. Also known as religions.

As Darrell shared at the end of his post here:

Do I believe I am God? Yes I do. Do I know what that means, no, not at all.
Will Jesus condemn me for thinking so?

There are those that will realize that they are God.............

If you want to be God - then be so, and let that power reveal itself to you, let God be your point of reference with no thought of what might lie at the end of that path.

And as Adrian shares here:

I hold that we are God

It comes to a moment of choosing who are you going to believe? Refering to another post here by you regarding 'Jesus being God?' He exampled for us all that we are indeed God. He was crucified for saying that, not for any 'sins' of anyone. GOD doesn't sin. He kept trying to tell us that. A great question he asked was, "Who do you say I Am?" And Adrian who gave many wonderful examples from all the paths that lead to this knowing shared Jesus' answer to this question:

“On that day, you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you”. -- John 14:20

Just sharing thoughts with you my Beloved Sister. Is it 'Are we God? or I Am God.

A Personal choice.

Love and Peace to you All, Be Well,

Julia


That question wasn't just meant for Jesus. That is for us to Know for ourselves.

[Talker]

Greeting and Love to All

My Thoughts on this question.
Must right upfront state, that what I say is not meant as a criticism.
It is not meant as an argument.
So there is the question "are we God".
In and by it's self a simple question. Difficulty arrives with an overwhelming
weight, by endeavoring to put words into place, that would suffice as an answer,
to any one reading such an answer. Numerous are the attempts by many to
truly and fully satisfy that requirement. If, after the the many attempts by many,
to arrive at an answer, the question is still being raised, indicates a missing
"critical some thing" is still missing.  Strangely, I believe that the "critical some
thing missing" is not the same for everyone, and may be the reason that a
'satisfy all" answer still eludes us. Thoughts along that line are expressed in one
of my posts:
http://thetalker.org/archives/234
Without going into hard details, science and religion are expounding upon the
theory / fact, (your choice) that we are indeed "all one". Immediately new
questions arise, but to retain some semblance of sanity, will bypass that issue.
If that is to any degree factual, it becomes a whole new ballgame, also giving
rise to "oh my" more questions. Lets bypass this one also. one theory is "theory
of a Holographic Universe".  Up comes more questions. Anyway, each part of a
broken or splintered holographic part, contains "all" the information / data of the
"original" unbroken part. Let that thought jell a few moments. It would seem to
some what explain the question"are we God". That brings us right back to more
questions, "is there a such a thing as God". This very informative forum, has
gone into many nooks and crannies of the human thinking processes with the
attentive variances. The kick in the shins now forces one stop and ask "Do I
believe there is a God!" Three possible ways to answer, yes, no, maybe. Will now
skip "no and maybe" and focus on the "yes". My answer is "yes, there is a God",
and "yes, I do believe I am an "awakening to the fact" God"". Why not the pure
belief "I am God"!  Simply put, and involves what I call "the learning curve".
What has a learning curve got to do with a God belief, if you already believe
there is a God, and we are Gods?
Simply put, where is one on their learning curve of life!
Would you have understood this on the chalkboard upon walking into the first
day of kindergarten at school!

Trig Addition and Subtraction Formulas
cos (A - B) = (cos A)(cos B) + (sin A)(sin B) cos (A + B) = (cos A)(cos B) - (sin

A)(sin B)
sin (A + B) = (sin A)(cos B) + (cos A)(sin B) sin (A - B) = (sin A)(cos B) - (cos

A)(sin B)
tan (A + B) = (tan A + tan B) / [1 - (tan A)(tan B)] tan (A - B) = (tan A - tan B)

/ [1 + (tan A)(tan B)]

So it is with ones experiences as they progress through life. You seek, find and
climb onto the learning curve, so you can advance upward , to finally reach a
point of comprehension, in what ever that may be.
The stumbling block, so to speak, is still the "belief factor". As one awakens to
the experiencing of success in the "little" things of life, the belief factors are
nourished and bolsters the belief factors, and one day that which Jesus stated,
as "these things that I do" will be materialized as your reality. So if you are
unable, as yet, to "change water into fine wine", remember, you are on a learning
curve. Give it time to register. Haven't yet reached that point, but do realize that
I am still on the learning curve. So it is with realizing You Are God.
Be Well

[Adrian]

Hello Julia and Talker,

Excellent contributions.

I think the solution can be summarised in one word "Realisation".

The fact that we are God is beyond all question, in my Mind anyway, but the true an ultimate meaning of life is to Realise this truth in every sense.

Right now we have all of the inherent powers and characteristics of God to draw upon at will, but our ability to do so is proportional to the degree that we can Realise God within, and our level of Belief and Faith in doing so.

It is crucial to note that I do not mean Belief and Faith in a theological sense, but rather Belief and Faith in absolute terms, the same Belief and Faith that allows us to express our God-powers.

Realising that God is not an external deity, which also means not viewing God as having gender or any other human characteristics or traits is a good start. For example one of the most erroneous expressions we hear is "the will of God" which arises from an extremely limited perception of the true nature of God and of our connection with God, almost exclusively arising from religion and theology which views God as some sort of stern but benevolent father figure Who responds to "worship", "praise" and flattery by allowing people in to "Heaven" and other concessions.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[juliainkc]

Good Morning All,

I think the solution can be summarised in one word "Realisation".

The fact that we are God is beyond all question, in my Mind anyway, but the true an ultimate meaning of life is to Realise this truth in every sense.

I appreciate your thoughts in this entire post.

Namaste,

Julia

[zensunni7]

Greetings and love to all this morning.

Saint Ignatius, at the request of the king, wrote twenty three and one half volumes regarding ' God ' with the half being the point which he experienced God. He then expressed regret to the king, as he could write no more. Once he had the experience, words could not express the feeling, words only revealed their primitiveness and forced into his mind the realization that all he had written was lacking even the minutest expression of the truth of God.
Belief / faith as Adrian , Talker and all here are expressing, is acceptance as we accept the ground we walk on. We know it to be billions of atoms, molecules, and other sub atomic particles, not solid at all, but we ' walk on water ' everyday without doubt it will carry us to our destination. We are daily miracle workers with little attention to the miracles as something ' out of the ordinary ' for us.

It is the dichotomy of truth - we seek deep divine experiences in our thoughts and desires of the spiritual. Revelations of enormous proportion and insights of vast knowledges hidden from the normal eye. Angels appearing, Jesus returning in a cavalcade parade of glorious chariots. Atlantis rising out of the Atlantic ocean, and fairies flying out of Lemuria to reveal the secrets of life.
We define miraculous acts as superior ability appearing in our primitive reality's. Being taught in all these eons of evolution and growth, only One has ever achieved it, thus keeping the rest of us in our ' place ' as unevolved hopeless sinners doomed to the fates of prophecies written in ignorance, believed in minds afraid to break the Golden Rule of religion " thou shalt not evolve "
The answer to your question to me Melody is Yes - I am God, a part of the whole of God in its totality, and a smaller expression which contains the whole as Talkers ideal of a holographic universe attests.
Thinking in duality is a subtle affair within our genetic programming. When we say the word God, we begin to see ourselves as ' less than ' and God as more than.
We see this person as unevolved, that one as enlightened. Spirituality has been a horrible failure in that it is still caught in the web of comparisons to validate growth.
The New age has become more of a the ' whore ' of Babylon than the religion it sought to displace in our time, with its core being keeping people focused on the ' work they need to do ' in order to become the enlightened person they MUST be to enter the new coming age.
The Secret is its own example. The movie and book clearly state this is a process one can do anytime by themselves, yet there is a veritable sea of ' teachers, coaches, and guides ' now to create your wealth, by giving it to them, because they know the ' way ' salvation with a better marketing plan. Yet it is the same old distraction from unity to separation of God and Human to maintain a sense eliteness for the ' enlightened '.
In the projections of Consciousness thread I saw in retrospect that I was expressing God like ability's in my everyday life to maintain the safety of my children, in silence and unspoken communication and flow with them, God in a very mundane setting doing what appeared very ' Human ' chores of a daily family life.
God was alive and well there, in a man and a cosmic awareness, because to push beyond what I was raised to be, I demanded myself to be larger than just a man.
God was also grounding children, yelling because the damned grass was still not cut, and frustrated because dinner was late and I still had to get other things done before bed time.
Our perception of God would say that I should have snapped my fingers, and " POOF " theres dinner kids. Wave my hand across the grass and stop it form growing any longer, and go to the check book and create the millions I desired to be there. Yet we say we are God having a Human experience.
So you see, the question is unanswerable in any wording that I can arrange here for you, or for myself. Yet it is answered in the Love we conjure up when we need to push beyond the e-motions of Human problems, when desire launches us into the unknown and we land balanced and with sight that sees the way through.
Expansion of ourselves with no point of dissipation where we begin to breakdown
and become lost in the vastness.

WithIN Love
Darrell

[Caguja]

Thank you Melody for raising this question. And thank you Adrian, Talker, Zensunni7 and Juliainkc for the responses you have given in this forum. I have all along pondered over the answer Jesus gave, quoting Psalms 82:6 and in an argument with my cousin as to our being gods, saying Jesus himself said so, I had not got such insightful responses to such a question.

No wonder I have been coming to this forum to look for answers to a horde of questions.

One thing I believe is that we are part of God but the God Realisation  Adrian talks of is the difficult part!

Thanks to All.

Caguja

[melody]

Hello everybody,


Thank you for all your contributions and comments. It really shaws that people think about God and their relationship with him, which is great!

John 14:20 was mentioned above. It is a great quotation! However, it is not a separate statement but a continuation of a dialogue – a speech Jesus had with his disciples when he was explaining to them that his end on Earth is near. These were not words addressed to the general public but only to his disciples who believed in him. All of John 14 should be read as one piece and understood as such. There were no numbers in the original text.

Jesus’ disciples dropped everything they had, their families and businesses, and fallowed him. They did not seek riches, comforts, abundance, or even a permanent shelter. Their mind frame was very different from the majority of their contemporaries, or from our present modern people.

Let us not forget the fact that Jesus claimed that the Father – God – was greater than he.

Joh 14:28  Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Concerning the quotations from the eastern religions that Adrian gives us above, all those religions practice meditation. During meditative peak experiences, the feeling of oneness and timelessness is achieved. But is this experience really a prove we are God? I have just posted the comments on this experience in the new topic I started  in the The Inner Realities section of this forum “Mind – Consciousness – Oneness - from God or Neurological Brain?”

I believe it is the most important thing to realize God within, but this might go far beyond the peek experiences in meditation.

Saying that majority of us are still non realized in no way diminishes anybody or puts them on some “scale”.  It simply states that they have some inner work to do. If you don’t understand how a plane works so it can fly, it does not make you any lesser than somebody else who understands, and does not put you on any scale. The same goes for the God realization process.

Do I believe I am a part of everything there is, and therefore a part of God – yes I do. But so is everything else in the universe – everything there is is a part of God. Do I believe I am God? No, I don’t. And this is not because I don’t think highly enough of  myself. In no way do I feel incomplete, diminished, or lesser about myself. In fact, I have a healthy and positive opinion of myself. If I did not, I would not have been able to hold my own with all the topics I have raised in this forum. 

At the same time, I feel absolutely no need to assume or claim that I am God. In fact, if I began believing that, I would consider this (as relating to my own person) to be of an Ego state and even of a megalomaniac nature.  This, of course, in no way is in judgment how all of you view yourselves, or whether you consider yourselves to be God. We all have our personal experiences, understanding, and states to go through in our way back to God.

If we are already God, why do we still have to realize God inside us? Why do we have to go back to God? Being God we would have been already there, arrived. 

[juliainkc]

Hi Melody,

I wish to expand on the thoughts you have shared here and by no means wish to convince or convert anyone.

Posted by: melody

John 14:20 was mentioned above. It is a great quotation! However, it is not a separate statement but a continuation of a dialogue – a speech Jesus had with his disciples when he was explaining to them that his end on Earth is near. These were not words addressed to the general public but only to his disciples who believed in him. All of John 14 should be read as one piece and understood as such. There were no numbers in the original text.

Let us not forget the fact that Jesus claimed that the Father – God – was greater than he.

John 14:28  Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

I truly understand that things can and do get taken out of context. However, I wish only to ask that, that being said we must take into account the entire New Testament and what was stated about Jesus' True Nature being witnessed by his disciples as he himself did not write any books. Not trying to reinvent the wheel here just passing on some helpful research.

The word greater comes from the greek word 'meizon' meaning:

*** Strong's Concordance states that meizon, the Greek word for greater (Greek Dictionary #3187) simply means “larger”. Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the New Testament)

Vine's Dictionary says that meizon 'is the comparative degree of megas” (meaning “great” in the Greek). Vine's refers us to Titus 2:13 as an example “of rank” of persons, where Jesus is called “our GREAT God and Savior, Jesus Christ.” (The Expanded Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words).

John refers to Jesus' nature by this scripture, "All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made” (John 1:3).

God the Father called Jesus God in Heb. 1:8 and said for ALL the angels of God are to worship Him (Heb. 1:6), worship is an honor reserved only for God Himself (Rev. 19:10). Jesus by nature, being God is equal to God (John 1:1,14, John 5:23, John 14:1) but positionally, during His earthly time as a man, His Father was certainly “greater” than He.

Jesus said:

'If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.” Philip said to Him, 'Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.' Jesus said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how do you say, 'Show us the Father?” (John. 14:7-9)

In the same way in John 10:30-11:15 Jesus spoke to the antagonists “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, 'I said, “You are gods” '? “If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), “do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'? “If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; “but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him.” Therefore they sought again to seize Him, but He escaped out of their hand.

Phil.2:5-8 “Who being in the form of (nature) God (Gal. 4:8: there is only one God by nature) did not consider it robbery to be equal with God. 7: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men (nature):” In becoming a man something changed since he was not in a servant role to the Father before He became man. This was a change of position, not a change in nature. He, as God, could not empty himself of His essential nature, since unchangeableness is part of his nature. All His attributes are eternal so he could not eliminate any but he could put them aside in using them as He entered time and space to reach mankind. That is how powerful God is.

Jesus exampled that he in his very nature and attributes was God, he was not 'created', he humbled himself into a human form and delivered the message of Love to All who had forgotten this Truth.

Going back to the statement Jesus made that Adrian shared:

“On that day, you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you”. -- John 14:20

Forgive the length of this. This isn't meant to be a Sunday sermon while it may seem to be. Just food for thought.

In closing, we are as we think we are. It is for each to know or realize in the perfect moment agreed upon by the Intimate Agreement made with One's Higher Self. We all are given this gift, it's just when we decide to open it.

Just sharing, Love to All,

Julia

[Adrian]

Hello Cajuga,

Thank you for your contribution.

One thing I believe is that we are part of God but the God Realisation  Adrian talks of is the difficult part!

Thanks to All.

Caguja

It is also the Highest.

Our journey back to the Divine is a journey, not necessarily in this order of:

Realisation
Perfection
Unconditional Love

The Highest state we can achieve as humans in a physical body with an organic brain is to become fully God-realised.

Many others have achieved this including, but not limited to the person known as Jesus, Buddha and Abraham.

I suppose the all encompassing expression we can apply to this is Enlightenment.

One thing I can say, beyond doubt, is that anyone denying their inseparable relationship with Source, God, First Cause is placing before them a very large hurdle.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

[Adrian]

Hello Melody,

I really appreciate your posts because I believe you are courageous enough to speak for the silent majority, and your questions are very well considered.

Thank you for all your contributions and comments. It really shaws that people think about God and their relationship with him, which is great!

John 14:20 was mentioned above. It is a great quotation! However, it is not a separate statement but a continuation of a dialogue – a speech Jesus had with his disciples when he was explaining to them that his end on Earth is near. These were not words addressed to the general public but only to his disciples who believed in him. All of John 14 should be read as one piece and understood as such. There were no numbers in the original text.

We have to keep in Mind that Jesus teachings were highly "encoded" which is why these days there is a theological interpretation and an esoteric one.

"And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive, For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them". But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them. Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower". --Matthew 13:10-18

Let us not forget the fact that Jesus claimed that the Father – God – was greater than he.

God is the First Cause of All Creation. But nevertheless all Creation is a part of God and therein is the paradox. When God individuated each of us in "His own image" we retain all the inherent qualities and power of God, but at the same time we all had to "start from scratch" to achieve Divine equivalence with God. It is through an infinite number of individuations through the Universe that God experiences as well as expresses and thereby expands.

However, from the very beginning we have the same powers of God within us that we can draw upon if we realise those powers.

Joh 14:28  Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

"Go unto the Father" means to Realise God within.

Concerning the quotations from the eastern religions that Adrian gives us above, all those religions practice meditation. During meditative peak experiences, the feeling of oneness and timelessness is achieved. But is this experience really a prove we are God?

An excellent question to which the answer is no.

In fact, without judging, many eastern practioners of meditation believe that if they achieve oneness with God, known as Samhadi, they are enlightened and when they pass on they will achieve unity with God. In fact what they have experienced may approach that vibration, but they may still lack the qualities required to increase their vibration after passing.

Meditation is a tool, and a valuable one, but it never replaces true God-realisation, Unconditional Love of all creation and above all Perfection.

Saying that majority of us are still non realized in no way diminishes anybody or puts them on some “scale”.  It simply states that they have some inner work to do. If you don’t understand how a plane works so it can fly, it does not make you any lesser than somebody else who understands, and does not put you on any scale. The same goes for the God realization process.

You are absolutely correct.

Do I believe I am a part of everything there is, and therefore a part of God – yes I do. But so is everything else in the universe – everything there is is a part of God. Do I believe I am God? No, I don’t. And this is not because I don’t think highly enough of  myself.

And this Dear Melody is what you need to realise.

I think this perception of "unworthiness" stems directly from religion that teaches God as an external, unreachable, all powerful, omnipotent Deity to Whom everyone should cower before lest they be punished in some way.

Let's face it - the reason many people approach God as they do is because they are afraid that unless they do so they will be punished or overlooked in some way, especially after "death" where they need to be assured of being allowed in "heaven".

It is absolutely crucial to know, beyond doubt, with absolute Faith that you are a channel of expression of God and as such are God with exactly the same powers as God ready to be realised.

At the same time, I feel absolutely no need to assume or claim that I am God. In fact, if I began believing that, I would consider this (as relating to my own person) to be of an Ego state and even of a megalomaniac nature.  This, of course, in no way is in judgment how all of you view yourselves, or whether you consider yourselves to be God. We all have our personal experiences, understanding, and states to go through in our way back to God.

This is nothing to do with Ego it is rather Enlightenment and an absolute knowing beyond doubt.

Of course if you were to go round telling people you are God, which many have done before, then it may well be Ego because any truly Enlightened person would never do that - knowing is sufficient.  Of course we have said that we are God in this topic, because it is part of an important discussion.

If we are already God, why do we still have to realize God inside us? Why do we have to go back to God? Being God we would have been already there, arrived. 

Because this is the true meaning of Life.

God has chosen to individuate God-self with freewill, as Children who, like all children must learn by experience, through which God expresses and expands. This is why the Universe is constantly expanding.

In Love and Light,

Adrian.

[melody]

Hello Adrian,

I am sure I will come to all the realizations I have to come to on my personal road to Enlightenment...!   

I only wish to assure you that in no way do I feel separated from God, nor do I strife to "please" God because of any fear. I do not fear God at all. In fact, I only have the most positive emotions in regard to God.