Albert Einstein Anti-Religious

[wavepsychic]

This is a Quote from Albert Einstein or so it is writen.

A mans ethic behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties, No religious basis are necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.

It is OK in my mind if he was against Organized Religion. I know he was against believing something just because its a common belief. He is clearly talking against the Christan Church. However what about Enlightenment? Was he against enlightenment. For all who wish not to reincarnate & suffer another life, are we basing our ethic behavior on hope of reward after death?

[zensunni7]

Hello Wavepsychic,

I don't think Albert was against enlightenment, I feel he dedicated his life to it.
Religion has always been based in reward after death, the attainment of heaven and the favor of ones God judging your life.
Much of our social structure follows suit in this idea of working hard and being a ' good boy ' for a reward based in some future, rarely do we deal in the present moment, and religion in a master at this dark art.

Einstein was saying in my opinion that we need no religion to attain our spiritual goals and connection to our beliefs. That religion provides just the opposite. He perceived enlightenment of his day in a way he could only present it to the world. I feel he always knew what he was talking about, his struggle was in finding language to be understood.
I do not subscribe to the belief that life is here to suffer through. I feel the ideology of suffering through multiple incarnations to attain enlightenment is no different than the Christian belief of suffering to attain heaven and avoid hell. A religion that bases life and God's creation as a hell on Earth to attain fruition is a horrible idea to raise children in.
Apply the Law of Attraction to it and you have hell. I think Einstein understood all this, but lived in a time where Church still ran the show, pulled political strings and had power over financing.
But he also said " question all the answers "

WithIn Love
Darrell

[wavepsychic]

Hi Darrell.

I am glad someone finally had something to say about this post.

Einstein was saying in my opinion that we need no religion to attain our spiritual goals and connection to our beliefs. That religion provides just the opposite.

I think he meant that you should be a good person and behave ethically because of consideration for others & not out of fear of being damned to Hell or some other hell like punishment.

I do not subscribe to the belief that life is here to suffer through. I feel the ideology of suffering through multiple incarnations to attain enlightenment is no different than the Christian belief of suffering to attain heaven and avoid hell.

What do you mean by that? Are you saying that if you place enlightenment as a top priority because you do not want to reincarnate again that is as bad as fearing Hell?

[zensunni7]

Hi wave,

Yes, being good - for goodness sake. Whenever fear is made a part of the equation there is control in the agenda.

I meant that I do not believe suffering is the road to enlightenment, that we are not here to suffer and live life by a series of negative ' lessons ' to lead us to wisdom.
I believe I may have lived a series of incarnations, but I view them as One life lived all across time without recognizing the separations of birth/death.
As often stated here, there is only Now, so all lives lived must be one in the present moment of this life.

I reject the idea that Earth is planet designed for suffering to mold us into perfection. I think Albert rejected this ideal also.

WithIn Love
Darrell

[juliainkc]

Good Morning Darrell, Wave and All ~

Hi wave,

Yes, being good - for goodness sake. Whenever fear is made a part of the equation there is control in the agenda.

I meant that I do not believe suffering is the road to enlightenment, that we are not here to suffer and live life by a series of negative ' lessons ' to lead us to wisdom.
I believe I may have lived a series of incarnations, but I view them as One life lived all across time without recognizing the separations of birth/death.
As often stated here, there is only Now, so all lives lived must be one in the present moment of this life.

I reject the idea that Earth is planet designed for suffering to mold us into perfection. I think Albert rejected this ideal also.

WithIn Love
Darrell

Thank you Darrell!! Wouldn't add anything more, just thank you.


Love to All in Divine Spirit,

Julia

[zensunni7]

Hello Julia and Wave,

Thank you Julia -

I feel if we adapt an ideal that wakening and enlightenment are birthed in suffering, turmoil and stress, we will create a life of just that. When the science of LOA is applied to this ideal, we see a life of serial turmoil, self created by the subconscious mind in order to ' move forward ' out of it, in a belief we are nurturing such attributes as courage, awareness, and achieving perfection somehow.
It is a treadmill of self inflicted injuries to the mind and Soul in the name of enlightenment.

Christians are taught the most glorious act is to die in defense of God. The martyr syndrome of insane fanatics within any religion. IN order for that to occur, there must be an enemy of God to fight, birthing the heated debates we have witnessed here, to the Holy wars that slaughter millions.
It is LOA applied by subconscious thoughts within a contained belief exploding into reality, creating hell to attain heaven. Many do this daily - unconsciously - to attain enlightenment.

WithIN Love
Darrell

[wavepsychic]

I agree with you Darrell but still the LOA is A LOT harder then it sounds! If the LOA doesn't work for you then how the hell can one become Enlightened?

[Talker]

Greetings All,
While I'm not prepared enough to give a valid and better post here, will post that which may shed a new light on this topic. Could be incorrect to say, but Adrians OUR, is to a degree, clarifying that which Einstein was saying, and believed in, that was based on Spinoza's philosophy, that puts us deeper into understanding our existence. Thank you Adrian for the book OUR.
Be Well

(From some reading):
( Of Einstein)
Einstein was asked 'Do you believe in God?', Einstein replied ' I believe in Spinoza's God, who reveals himself in the harmony of all being.'

(Of Spinoza's God)
On the one hand, Spinoza presented Religion as a product of the imagination, leading, in the main, to piety. On the other hand,Spinoza held that reason and intuition led man to a union with the source of all things, which he calls the intellectual love of God. God, he says, is nature, God is whatever truly is. In knowing Him we love Him, and it is this knowledge of Him which makes man's mind immortal.

Spinoza was deep into the study of the Torah, Talmud, and Kabla. I've yet to complete the reading of this mans work.

[zensunni7]

Greetings Talker,

I don't really see that a ' better ' post is relevant, only your feelings on the topic, which you always express with passion and obvious intellectual completeness.
I also agree that Adrian's work brings new light to Einstein's and others, he brought understanding and application to it I feel.

Spinoza's work was quite ahead of its time, at the time. It was easy to see why Einstein gravitated to it. I read it while in the seminary when I was a young man. I found it a grueling read at the time, but meandered through it, like cleaning the barn.
I must however credit hie writing's for causing me to look outside the religious box I was raised in and begin to explore more scientific works from a spiritual eye. I had at that time also read the works of St Ignatius, the catalyst of my focus for the experience of God rather than knowledge of it all. Both of which led to my leaving the seminary.
Perhaps I should reread Spinoza as an elder now.

I always valued Einstein as a spiritual man with great scientific curiosity, just as in the present I feel so much of science pursues the unconscious desire to experience and merge with something so much larger than themselves. It is driven in the present by a passion that exceeds just knowing, as Einstein was.

Reason is an element of the larger equations that has been left out of spiritual pursuit in the present I feel, as intuition has been mistaken for any theory that the public will purchase after being saturated in fear.
The use of equations is not limited to mathematics and their formulas.

WithIn Love
Darrell