Achieving Godliness Through Evolution

[TheAlphaOmega]

New idea on our own destiny here...
In our own spirituality we view God as a perfect being. As we read the bible we see countless incidents when God has intervened in ways that go utterly against the laws of nature and physics (not to say he couldn't) to help humanity. But we don't see it anymore. Obviously that is open to "interpretation" by various religions trying to hold on to their true God, but on a natural scale, He hasn't shown himself in a while. But I don't think we give enough justice to humanity itself. For the most part we feel that we're so low on the food chain, so to speak, that we can't do anything without divine intervention.
But we've come pretty far on our own. Now there will be discussions of God or spirits or angels giving us intuition that leads us to where we need to go... this is not that forum. I'm taking the side, for this forum at least, of a humanist.
Never in the history of our existence has their been PROOF of any level of divine intervention. You are allowed to believe in the bible, book of Mormon, Koran, anything else... but they all come down to faith. There is no PROOF of it, and you can't discount that because you hold on to hope.
But in the same breath, there is hope. Think of the human condition. We have always listened to the more educated and more experienced within our societies. There's a certain level of respect for the elderly. So what if God is nothing more than the "eldest"? This can account for both eternal progression or reincarnation.
It's a common belief in many religions that God was once similar to us as humans are today. As humans we make mistakes, and the result is learning and growing from them. Granted there are many individuals that have made mistakes and destroyed themselves as a result, but if reincarnation is real, then they have the chance to change things and learn from their past life. If the afterlife is real, then likewise they have the chance to learn and grow from their mistakes as well.
So as God is concerned, what if He is really a higher level of our own selves. What if God is all perfect and all knowing simply because he has made every mistake, or learned from every mistake, that our universe has to offer? He may have destroyed Himself in some lives, grown as a result in others, and now, in the scheme of eternity, he has made, learned, and grown from every mistake there is to make, and thus, in our dimension of the physical universe, is incapable of making the same mistakes as we do, because he's made them and knows the solution without hesitation?
Isn't it possible that He is helping us find our path, but not intervening in walking it because in order to reach His level of understanding and divinity, we need to make and fix our own mistakes for ourselves?

[Adrian]

Hello TheAlphaOmega,

God has never and would never intervene in human or any other affairs.

There tends to be this perception that God is some sort of personified being that watches over us and intervenes if necessary.

This is not the case. God is already perfect and the Universe is already perfect. Everything that happens adds to the totality of that perfection.

We can only see a limited temporal view of things whereas God knows the whole picture. So when something happens that seems "wrong" to us, it is in fact part of a much larger chain of events that extends far beyond our perception.

There is no "right" or "wrong", "good" or "evil", "positive" or "negative", there is only experience through which evolution continues.

Best regards,

Adrian.

[Awakened Soul]

Hi Adrian,

What I don't understand is how something like God can be more perfect when it is already perfect. If it's already perfect, then what is the point then to let humans add to that perfection... How can you add to perfection if it's already perfect. Like, when you've drawn a perfect round circle, how can you draw it more perfectly if it's already perfectly round?

And if God has created the existance of individuality with free will on purpose, then that must be for a reason. To "add to God's perfection" is the answer we've been given, but if God 'thought' about those things and has some sort of awareness, then it's not that strange that people think God must be some kind of being, even if God is basicly some sort of "thinking stuff", then still it's somekind of energy-being, right?

So can we agree that God is at least a being made of thinking stuff? Or a substance that has the awareness and thoughts of a being? Wich is then ofcourse vica versa: because God has created everything, the beings have awareness and can think like God.  First this is on a micro-level. Perhaps when completed our paths and become one with the God substance/being-thing or whatever, we add to it's awareness and thinking capacity? Is that perhaps what you mean by adding to it's perfection, Adrian? That God becomes bigger and richer in every way?

I find it hard to grasp. It's indeed much easier to think of a man with a beard and just give it a rest  

[TheAlphaOmega]

Adrian,

I could see that argument, and would have to agree.  Although I think a large number of individuals would disagree.  After all, that would counteract much of the bible in which God seems to regularly intervene.  10 plagues, dividing the red sea, and even Jesus taking back death.  If God allowed us to make our own mistakes, already knowing what they will be, then why must he come to our aid and correct what we have done?  You could say that Moses made the choice to lead his people to freedom, and the splitting of the red sea was merely god allowing that decision to come to pass... but that act also illiminated the Pharoah's desire to kill Moses and his people, so in a way God did intervene to stop an individual from making a decision.

[Inguma]

ahh so sorry Adrian!! But I have to disagree with this comment!!! :

God has never and would never intervene in human or any other affairs.

I have, at least twice, seen direct and instant effects from prayers. But, each time I get the definite feeling that the reason I saw this was not to give me what I asked for, but to teach me something, since in both case there was a very strong and very real message which was much more important.
It could be argued that it was me causing the effect, but I have difficulty buying this, since I have never been able to do any physical magic like this. But I have to admit this is not a possibility I can completely rule out.

Also I have seen scientific tests on the power of prayer, with positive results (done *retroactively* (!!!!!!!!!!!), with the prayed for goal being pregnancy in a random group of women who were trying for it).

   

Rob

[Adrian]

Hello Rob,

ahh so sorry Adrian!! But I have to disagree with this comment!!! :

God has never and would never intervene in human or any other affairs.

I have, at least twice, seen direct and instant effects from prayers. But, each time I get the definite feeling that the reason I saw this was not to give me what I asked for, but to teach me something, since in both case there was a very strong and very real message which was much more important.
It could be argued that it was me causing the effect, but I have difficulty buying this, since I have never been able to do any physical magic like this. But I have to admit this is not a possibility I can completely rule out.

Also I have seen scientific tests on the power of prayer, with positive results (done *retroactively* (!!!!!!!!!!!), with the prayed for goal being pregnancy in a random group of women who were trying for it).

   

Rob

I am quite happy for your to disagree  

However; in my view there is no "Divine intervention" only "cause and effect" of which The Law of Attraction is an aspect, as well of course as your Higher-Self.

Without going into a big explanation; "prayer" can manifest things by the Law of Attraction. The Higher-Self can manifest situations at will where lessons are required or for any other reason for that matter. Any seemingly random event; i.e. effect, will often have some preceding cause, although of course the cause might not be recent or obvious.

Best regards,

Adrian.