A Dream? or Something More?

[Dreissea]

I am normally a skeptic about this sort of thing, but I had an...experience last night.  I keep wanting to say that it was just a dream, but it seemed like no dream I've ever had before.  It seemed to last too long, and it was too real.

I live in the middle of the United States.  Nebraska to be exact.  However, last night, I traveled to King's Cross Station in London.

Before going to bed, I had been watching a show on National Geographic called "Seconds from Disaster."  It was about the fire that had devastated King's Cross Station in London years ago.  I went to sleep almost immediately, which is unusual for me.  I generally have a hard time falling asleep, and I wake up numerous times during the night.  It was around 1:30 am when I fell asleep, though I did not realize that I was asleep....if I was asleep.

I closed my eyes, and when I opened them again, I was standing in the middle of a crowd in a place that I had never been before.  I was extremely disoriented, and everything seemed very fuzzy and out of focus.  I had a hard time concentrating, and couldn't make out faces or any sort of detail.  Getting a little alarmed, I began to walk behind a couple, concentrating on them.  As I concentrated on them, details began to emerge.  They were wearing black punky clothing with buckles and fishnet.  They both had extreme haircuts, and the girl was wearing platform boots.  After getting them into focus, I began to look around, and the world was brought slowly into focus.  I thought I was in an airport at first, but then I saw a sign that said "King's Cross Station."

I remember thinking, "Well, I'm dreaming," and I continued to follow the punk couple up and out of the underground.  They led me to some sort of viewing platform.  It reminded me of the platforms you see that go over the water on a beach, only I wasn't at a beach.  I sat down on a bench, and waited.  I didn't know where I was, had no money, and had no idea where I was.  After a few minutes, a young man approached me.  He was around my age, though I believe he was a little younger, because he mentioned he was in college.  He said that I looked lost, and I confessed that I had no idea where I was.  The man gave me kind of a non-believing look, and told me that I was in London.

At this point, I kind of had a melt down.  I was saying that there was no way I could be in London.  That I was supposed to be sleeping at home back in America.  He asks, "You are an American?"

I assured him that I was, and the man decided to take me back to his 'flat' (he kept correcting me when I called it an apartment) until we could figure out what to do.  I remarked as we were walking back to his flat, that this was going on way too long to be a dream now.

Back at his flat, he said that he would cook me something, but when I looked in his fridge, I saw that there was nothing in there but some hamburger buns and a carton of eggs.  I laughed, and told him that he had the refrigerator contents of a college boy, but that the apartment was very clean for a bachelor.

This is where things start to get a little fuzzy again.  I remember telling him that if I'm not there in the morning, not to worry, that I probably made it back home somehow.  I remember very clearly that at this point he said, "Please just remember that this wasn't a dream."  He sat me down to watch some tv while he got some dinner.  Everything went out of focus again as I was watching the tv, and the next thing I know I am opening my eyes back here at my home in Nebraska.  It was 11:00 am.

I keep trying to write this off as a dream, but everytime I try, I remember thinking about how long this 'dream' had been going on....and I remember the man telling me not to think that it was a dream.

I have heard of astral projection/out of body experiences before, but can you interact with other people while having one of those experiences?  That is the main thing that is making me believe that this whole thing was a dream, was that I was interacting with someone.  It just seemed too real for being a dream, I guess.  It was disturbing enough that I googled for a forum or chat room that I could ask about it.

Any thoughts?

[Adrian]

Dear Dressea,

Welcome to the forums and thank you for a most interesting opening contribution.

Well  - your experience would not have been a dream as such with that level of lucid interaction.  It may have been a "Lucid Dream" but LD's are a product of the psyche as opposed to anything more "real" - in otherwords the Ego makes it up and it just seems real - not that anything is really real.

Your experience sounds like a classical Out of Body Experience.  It would not have been Astral Projection because the Astral is at a much higher vibratory frequency and instantly responsive to the mind and is not stable unless your mind is stable or you are inherently part of that frequency anyway, i.e. "dead". The Astral does not correspond to the physical anyway - its unique at its own level, and in the mid-levels is like Earth - the people there re-create it with the minds for material familiarity - but there the similarity ends.

OBE's take place in the "Etheric" which is a sort of "buffer zone" between the physical and the Astral, although closer in frequency to the physical where the Energy signatures of the physical are strong, but still not the physical itself.  This is the realm of "ghosts" as well as many psychic abilities such as Remote Viewing, Clairvoyance -although the latter can extend to the Astral.

Your mind probably entered an altered state called "body asleep - mind awake" and locked on the Energy signature of the program about Kings Cross that you were watching on TV.

It wasn't Kings Cross itself, it was the Energy signature mixed with other ones and so was distorted - but the experience itself was "real".

In Remote Viewing the mind is locked on to a "target" using "coordinates" which are like a code the Subconscious understands.

Yes - I know for sure you can interact with others in OBE - either "deceased" people or others in OBE.  In fact - we can arrange meetings with a number of OBE'ers at a pre-determined landmark, interact with each other and compare the experience afterwards to verify it. However - although we can communicate with the others, the actual experience can vary because in the Etheric the experience is much more influenced by the Mind, which "injects" it's own interpretation - based on ideas as to how the location can appear. It is possible to remove the "perception fluctuations" by a high level of control over the Mind and taking the Ego out out of it, but it's more interesting to compare the experiences as is.

I suggest you welcome the experience - if you did - and expect more - then you will get them.  There are no risks involved, contrary to what you may read elsewhere.

Lots of Love,

Adrian.

[Dreissea]

I definitely wouldn't mind having the experience again.  I do not have many friends in my personal life, and I actually would really like to meet the young man again.  Another part of the reason that I didn't want to dismiss the experience as just a dream.  I would like to think that this young man is someone real and existing in the world.

There are a few things that I thought perhaps I should have mentioned, but I didn't think about them until later in the day.  I had typed this up within an hour of waking, then copy/pasted it to a few different sites.  I must say that this site has given me the best feedback so far.  Anyways, the other items I feel I should have mentioned:

1.  This young man was the only person to interact with me.  Nobody else paid me any mind.  It was almost as if they did not notice I was there, or even see me.

2.  I did not touch anything.  It's not like I tried to touch anything, but I didn't open a door for myself or anything.  The young man opened the door to his flat for me, and he was even the one who opened the fridge door.  He turned on the television for me and everything.

3.  The flat we were in seemed so empty, almost like no one was living there.  Like I said, the fridge had almost nothing in it.  There was no furniture, and just a small tv on a small tv stand.  No pans or dirty dishes.  No kitchen table.  Just the fridge, a stove, and a tv.  There was supposedly a bed, because the young man had told me I could sleep on it, but I didn't actually see it.  The place just seemed so empty, not like a house you would expect someone to be living in.

[Adrian]

Dear Dreissea

I definitely wouldn't mind having the experience again.  I do not have many friends in my personal life, and I actually would really like to meet the young man again.  Another part of the reason that I didn't want to dismiss the experience as just a dream.  I would like to think that this young man is someone real and existing in the world.

If you remain open to these experiences you can enjoy more. But it is like everything else - the more we "try" to do anything, the less likely it is to happen. Remember - All is already inside us - infinite potential - but if the Ego gets in the way it screws it up Our task is to convey an "intent" in Faith, and then step aside to allow Higher Mind to make it "real".

That young man existed alright, but he, like all the others is an Earth-bound Soul - deceased - but bound to the Earth vibration for some reason. There are millions like that - just regular people who can't let go of Earth for some reason - although they always do eventually and go to the Astral. They always have that choice.  There are groups of OBE'ers who help people like that to move on.  The Monroe Institute - who  have never been involved with - used to do that - it is called "Soul Retrieval".  There are many, many groups of Souls in the Astral who do the same - it's there way of being of service.  I am sure he welcomed your presence as much as you welcomed his.

There are a few things that I thought perhaps I should have mentioned, but I didn't think about them until later in the day.  I had typed this up within an hour of waking, then copy/pasted it to a few different sites.  I must say that this site has given me the best feedback so far.  Anyways, the other items I feel I should have mentioned:

1.  This young man was the only person to interact with me.  Nobody else paid me any mind.  It was almost as if they did not notice I was there, or even see me.

The others were slightly out of phase with you - slightly different vibration. Would have been from different "time-lines" as well - space-time doesn't apply there. That is a very common situation in OBE - some will know you are there, some won't.  Doesn't apply to the Astral because there you would always be on the same vibratory frequency. If you went to the Astral, usually it is equivalent to the Vibration of your own Soul - where you would go. In Astral and Mental Projection, you can go as "high" as your Soul and Spirit Vibrate, and can lower that frequency to visit the lower vibrations, but the opposite does not apply. We cannot increase Vibration beyond our native Spiritual Vibration.

It is different in the Etheric though. Due to the lower vibratory frequency anyone can go there, but because the vibrations are more dense, they are also more intermingled and less defined.  You could have "tuned in" to the other people there - the ones that were ignoring you", but then you would have been out of phase with that young man and he wouldn't have seen you

2.  I did not touch anything.  It's not like I tried to touch anything, but I didn't open a door for myself or anything.  The young man opened the door to his flat for me, and he was even the one who opened the fridge door.  He turned on the television for me and everything.

That could have been for a number of reasons. He may have known you were slightly out of phase to those "apparent" objects, but more likely he had created them with his mind and only he could interact with them.

3.  The flat we were in seemed so empty, almost like no one was living there.  Like I said, the fridge had almost nothing in it.  There was no furniture, and just a small tv on a small tv stand.  No pans or dirty dishes.  No kitchen table.  Just the fridge, a stove, and a tv.  There was supposedly a bed, because the young man had told me I could sleep on it, but I didn't actually see it.  The place just seemed so empty, not like a house you would expect someone to be living in.

He had all he needed to stay there. After the physical there is no need to food and other earthly functions. Or you may have been slightly out of phase with the "stuff" he had and so you wouldn't be aware of them - it's the same as those other people not being aware of you.  You can actually expand your frequency range to encompass the whole experience, but yours was obviously very focussed so you were only aware of him and a few other things on the same frequency band - like tuning in a TV channel.  Here on Earth everything is "fixed" to the perception of the Ego, via atoms, molecules etc - Earth is designed that way so everyone can interact through the medium of the physical body, organic brain, Ego Mind etc.  But even on Earth it is not "real" - it is just a "shared illusion" - it is designed that way to serve its purpose.

You can think of it like "long wave" and "short wave" TV, radio etc. Longer waves  - of a higher amplitude - have a broader band of frequency fluctuations, that's why in "long wave" you can get a lot of "bleed over" from adjacent channels. With short wave/higher frequencies - such as the Astral and beyond", the frequency band is much narrower, and continues to get even narrower as you go up through the frequency range - further inwards - towards Source.

It's the same with "resolution".  The higher the frequency/narrower the frequency band, the higher the resolution of the Wave.  The Astral seems far more vibrant, solid and real than the physical world, and so on up through the scale.  Comparing even the Astral with Earth is like comparing a moder HD/3D TV with one of those blocky, pixellated TV sets of yester-year. That's one reason why "deceased" people from the Astral only visit Earth for a very good reason - e.g. to visit someone still living here. To the people in the Astral Earth seems like a terrible place - dull, murky, crude definition - they say it is like "wading through treacle" And of course they can feel the thoughts of the people emanating from Earth, which, to them, is a tortuous experience.

You could visit this young man again now you have his energy signature.  Immediately before you fall asleep - it is a fine line - focus your mind on him with the intent to see him again.

Let us know if you have any further exeriences.

Lots of Love,

Adrian.

[Awakened Soul]

Hi Dreissea,

Reading your experience, it seems you're somewhat like me (aside from your scepticism, which a dropped a long time ago when it comes to this particular subject), although I've been having these types of experiences for years in a row now. I think many ppl do, but they're just not conscious of it and don't remember their experiences.

If you make it a priority when you wake up to remember where you've just been and what you've been doing, you'll practice your dream recall and you'll become aware of the fact you have these experiences a lot more then you thought.

It helps to start to remember while staying in the exact position in which you woke up - before even moving a limb. Wait with taking a pee too Unless, of course, you just want to get back to sleep a.s.a.p., which I sometimes choose because of being too tired.

Especially these days, my projection experiences are off the charts (or my recall-ability has improved). It seems to be more frequent then ever and it's easy to get 'out of body' (so to speak, 'cause it's possibly just a split of consciousness) when I focus on a certain sound (might be a Chakra going nuts...). When I do focus on that, I buzz out almost instantly. Unfortunately, I always project into the Astral almost instantly while I would like do to an Etheric projection. This seems to be much harder for me then AP, which seems kinda like a WILD (Wake Induced Lucid Dream), which can be fun to do also.

Especially after having slept a little and waking up too early in the morning, just like Adrian describes in his book, AP is easy. And I don't need to set an alarm clock and would never do such a thing cause sleep is so precious to me as an insomniac (just like you seem to be). I've also noticed that I ALWAYS have a dream or projection experience when I fall asleep. To be honest, I would rather be 'normal' and give all of this up for restful sleep, which seems to be the one thing I can't get (or hardly), which makes it hard to live in 'the moment' in waking life (I'm usually somewhere else with my thoughts).

On top of this, I seem to be a highly sensitive being and pick up electric frequencies that I really DON'T want to pick up. I'll post a new topic about that to inquire if more ppl have this problem.